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penguin7 (821 posts) Sun Feb-17-08 12:40 PM
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The idiocy of the self defense argument
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First of all, being that I do not own a gun, my best self defense is to work to outlaw guns.
Now if someone breaks into your house you will not know whether he has a gun or not, pretty unlikely anyway if they know you are at home. So if you shoot and kill this guy you are pretty much a murderer. How many times does the drunk come home to the wrong house to get his brains blown out? It is very common for people to try to enter the wrong house for a whole myriad of reasons.Uhmm,no it isn`t.
Also the guy is coming in and you are then going to go for your safe where you have locked up the guns. Doesn't it make more sense to call the police? Isn't this much faster?A statement that stupid doesn`t come along often and will most likely be found at DU.
One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in. And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy. In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
And the odds of someone coming at you with a gun when you have gun at the ready are pretty low, especially when your guns are locked up in the safe.
A far better defense would be to outlaw guns to greatly lower the chances of a gun coming in the house. I bet that criminals will be so happy to obey that law while they are contemplating breaking another one.
On Edit: It is established that those that have guns in their houses are much more
likely to blow out the brains of someone they know than a stranger.
Brand new and no response yet but so incredibly stupid and poor reasoned I couldn`t resist.
These people really consider themselves intellectuals? ::)
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I read this on DU a bit ago. I was too stunned.
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I had to listen to this crap at work from a bunch of know-it-all
idiots liberals.
You can't legislate away risk. 30,000 people die in automobile accidents every year. How many die from school and workplace shootings? You're more likely to die ON THE WAY to school or work than being shot by a crazy once you get there.
But that's the Democrat's platform. Everyone's a victim. Everyone needs to be protected by Mommy and Daddy Government. :bird:
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zanne (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-17-08 12:45 PM
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2. Watch out--here comes all the self-defense "logic"!
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 12:47 PM by zanne
The gun nuts are PM'ing each other as we speak! ATTACK! ATTACK!
Imbecile.
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Oooh. BURN (http://boortz.com/nuze/200802/02152008.html) from Neal Boortz. :bow:
I'm sure there will be much conversation today about the shooting yesterday afternoon at Northern Illinois University. The ignorant, and those who pander to the ignorant, will start screaming about gun control. Others will understand that when a deranged idiot decides to go shoot some folks he is going to chose a place where he feels he is less likely to face retaliation ... at least until he does what he wants to do. What better place than a place where guns are outlawed? You'll notice he didn't wander into a gun show and open fire. I know, the example is extreme ... but the point is made.
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penguin7 (821 posts) Sun Feb-17-08 12:40 PM
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The idiocy of the self defense argument
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First of all, being that I do not own a gun, my best self defense is to work to outlaw guns.
You go right ahead and try sweetheart. While your busy marching with your cute little sign and calling your congressperson for the umpteenth time, I'll be at the shooting range.
Now if someone breaks into your house you will not know whether he has a gun or not, pretty unlikely anyway if they know you are at home. So if you shoot and kill this guy you are pretty much a murderer. How many times does the drunk come home to the wrong house to get his brains blown out? It is very common for people to try to enter the wrong house for a whole myriad of reasons.
If someone breaks into my house I don't particularly care why...he's someplace he shouldn't be. My safety trumps his stupidity, even if he's a drunken idiot.
Also the guy is coming in and you are then going to go for your safe where you have locked up the guns. Doesn't it make more sense to call the police? Isn't this much faster?
Well the solution is obvious. Don't keep your gun locked up where you can't get it. I swear these people must have to get instructions on how to breathe every frickin' morning when they wake up or they'd forget how.
One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in. And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy. In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
And the odds of someone coming at you with a gun when you have gun at the ready are pretty low, especially when your guns are locked up in the safe.
Fact: Someone who shouldn't be in my house is in my house. That's pretty much the only "fact" I need. What the hell, are we now supposed to have them fill out a questionnaire while we're loading?
A far better defense would be to outlaw guns to greatly lower the chances of a gun coming in the house.
So, you, John Q. Lawabiding citizen are minding your own business with NO gun. In walks Johnny Outlaw...with a gun. You run for the phone, but never manage to get there (your phone is clear in the other room, might as well have been locked away in a cabinet). While you're lying there bleeding to death the thought briefly crosses your mind...if only I had a gun with me. Then you remember your a pacifist who spent your whole life fighting for gun control. Well, at least you have the satisfaction of knowing you lived your conviction to the very end. As you expel your last breath you think to yourself, "If only the idiot that shot me would've followed the law...he's probably an evil, right-wing, crackhead...oh....wait..."
On Edit: It is established that those that have guns in their houses are much more
likely to blow out the brains of someone they know than a stranger.
Yeah, I'm sure you have tons of stats on your side to prove this too. Thanks, I'll take my chances.
Cindie
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One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in. And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy. In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
And the odds of someone coming at you with a gun when you have gun at the ready are pretty low, especially when your guns are locked up in the safe.
Good Ashe, bad Ashe, I'm the one with the gun. And it's not in a safe.
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penguin7 (821 posts) Sun Feb-17-08 12:40 PM
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The idiocy of the self defense argument
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First of all, being that I do not own a gun, my best self defense is to work to outlaw guns.
You go right ahead and try sweetheart. While your busy marching with your cute little sign and calling your congressperson for the umpteenth time, I'll be at the shooting range.
Now if someone breaks into your house you will not know whether he has a gun or not, pretty unlikely anyway if they know you are at home. So if you shoot and kill this guy you are pretty much a murderer. How many times does the drunk come home to the wrong house to get his brains blown out? It is very common for people to try to enter the wrong house for a whole myriad of reasons.
If someone breaks into my house I don't particularly care why...he's someplace he shouldn't be. My safety trumps his stupidity, even if he's a drunken idiot.
Also the guy is coming in and you are then going to go for your safe where you have locked up the guns. Doesn't it make more sense to call the police? Isn't this much faster?
Well the solution is obvious. Don't keep your gun locked up where you can't get it. I swear these people must have to get instructions on how to breathe every frickin' morning when they wake up or they'd forget how.
One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in. And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy. In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
And the odds of someone coming at you with a gun when you have gun at the ready are pretty low, especially when your guns are locked up in the safe.
Fact: Someone who shouldn't be in my house is in my house. That's pretty much the only "fact" I need. What the hell, are we now supposed to have them fill out a questionnaire while we're loading?
A far better defense would be to outlaw guns to greatly lower the chances of a gun coming in the house.
So, you, John Q. Lawabiding citizen are minding your own business with NO gun. In walks Johnny Outlaw...with a gun. You run for the phone, but never manage to get there (your phone is clear in the other room, might as well have been locked away in a cabinet). While you're lying there bleeding to death the thought briefly crosses your mind...if only I had a gun with me. Then you remember your a pacifist who spent your whole life fighting for gun control. Well, at least you have the satisfaction of knowing you lived your conviction to the very end. As you expel your last breath you think to yourself, "If only the idiot that shot me would've followed the law...he's probably an evil, right-wing, crackhead...oh....wait..."
On Edit: It is established that those that have guns in their houses are much more
likely to blow out the brains of someone they know than a stranger.
Yeah, I'm sure you have tons of stats on your side to prove this too. Thanks, I'll take my chances.
Cindie
I bow before you Cindie. :bow: :bow:
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Three words to counter- Gun Free Zone.
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Tell that to the family in CT who was tortured, raped and burned to death from two intruders (who amazingly enough were not drunk, or accidentally walked into the wrong house).
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Tell that to the family in CT who was tortured, raped and burned to death from two intruders (who amazingly enough were not drunk, or accidentally walked into the wrong house).
Now, you see? Those two would have failed the Intruder Questionaire/Test. It would have been ok to shoot them.
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penguin7 (821 posts) Sun Feb-17-08 12:40 PM
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The idiocy of the self defense argument
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First of all, being that I do not own a gun, my best self defense is to work to outlaw guns.
Now if someone breaks into your house you will not know whether he has a gun or not, pretty unlikely anyway if they know you are at home. So if you shoot and kill this guy you are pretty much a murderer. How many times does the drunk come home to the wrong house to get his brains blown out? It is very common for people to try to enter the wrong house for a whole myriad of reasons.
Not sure what planet that happens on but I'll give penguine7 the benifit of the dolt. So what! How "common" is it for people to break in to the wrong house? (DUmbass) ::)
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One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in. And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy. In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
:thatsright:
In DUmmieLand, you're dead every time. I'll take 50-50 over 100-0.
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The idiocy of the self defense argumen
First of all, being that I do not own a gun, my best self defense is to work to outlaw guns.
Because we all know that once guns are outlawed all the criminals will be disarmed too because they're afraid of breaking the law, RIGHT ?
Now if someone breaks into your house you will not know whether he has a gun or not, pretty unlikely anyway if they know you are at home.
Wrong, dumbass, you assume they are armed.
So if you shoot and kill this guy you are pretty much a murderer.
I don't get the logic behind that
How many times does the drunk come home to the wrong house to get his brains blown out?
Very very infrequently.
It is very common for people to try to enter the wrong house for a whole myriad of reasons.
No it is not.
Also the guy is coming in and you are then going to go for your safe where you have locked up the guns. Doesn't it make more sense to call the police? Isn't this much faster?
What ? Do the police in lala land have teleporters or some shit where they can arrive the instant you call them now ?
One thing about guns, if you and the attacker have guns, you have to shoot well before the facts are in.
The "fact" is that there is someone where they shouldn't be, clearly with intent.
And if your attacker has a gun, the dead guy is the unlucky one not the bad guy.
The attacker is the unlucky one and the dead one. Unlucky in that he chose a house where the residents were not disarmed.
In the best of worlds this self defense crap works half the time, the other half you are dead.
Someone needs to do a little more target practice.
And the odds of someone coming at you with a gun when you have gun at the ready are pretty low, especially when your guns are locked up in the safe.
PIMF dumbass :-)
A far better defense would be to outlaw guns to greatly lower the chances of a gun coming in the house.
Wrong. The chances of a gun coming into the house are greatly increased.
The chances of there being a gun in the house to defend against the one in the hands of a intruder are totally nullified.
On Edit: It is established that those that have guns in their houses are much more
likely to blow out the brains of someone they know than a stranger.
Suuuuure they are.
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