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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #125 on: July 14, 2009, 03:58:06 PM »
Yes, he thinks it might be a good idea for government take over the mortgage that the unemployed can'tpay, and leave the debtor in as a tenant.

This from a guy who's a record holder, he put the nation into debt $1,000,000,000,000 a  mere 6 months into his term! wHAT DO YOU BET IT IS $2 TRILLION BY 1/22/'10?

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #126 on: July 14, 2009, 04:03:53 PM »
Yes, he thinks it might be a good idea for government take over the mortgage that the unemployed can'tpay, and leave the debtor in as a tenant.

This from a guy who's a record holder, he put the nation into debt $1,000,000,000,000 a  mere 6 months into his term! wHAT DO YOU BET IT IS $2 TRILLION BY 1/22/'10?

And I'll give odds that we as a country don't make it to $3 Trillion.
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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #127 on: July 15, 2009, 12:42:27 PM »
I hate these polls. Some show him in a positive light and others show him in what I believe to be realistic. Damned polls, I wish they'd just be truthful when they construct the polls.
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« Reply #128 on: July 15, 2009, 01:12:01 PM »
I hate these polls. Some show him in a positive light and others show him in what I believe to be realistic. Damned polls, I wish they'd just be truthful when they construct the polls.

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« Reply #129 on: July 15, 2009, 01:24:49 PM »
I hate these polls. Some show him in a positive light and others show him in what I believe to be realistic. Damned polls, I wish they'd just be truthful when they construct the polls.

The bulk of them are sponsored by the "legacy" media........how would you to expect them to go?  The real key to poll watching is to go look at the actual "internals", which define the composition of the sample politically and geographically, as well as what days of the week, and times of day the surveys were conducted.........that is where the real bias is uncovered.

You will find that with the polls sponsored by media organizations will allways "oversample" Democrats.......as though the assumption is that the country is predominately Democrat.......when we all know it is pretty evenly divided.......

Rasmussen however, is an independent pollster, and frequently is highly accurate in predicting trends with daily tracking......sometimes I may argue with his methodology, or how he actually phrases a question, but overall, he is a class act, as these things go.....

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2009, 03:13:02 PM »
The bulk of them are sponsored by the "legacy" media........how would you to expect them to go?  The real key to poll watching is to go look at the actual "internals", which define the composition of the sample politically and geographically, as well as what days of the week, and times of day the surveys were conducted.........that is where the real bias is uncovered.

You will find that with the polls sponsored by media organizations will allways "oversample" Democrats.......as though the assumption is that the country is predominately Democrat.......when we all know it is pretty evenly divided.......

Rasmussen however, is an independent pollster, and frequently is highly accurate in predicting trends with daily tracking......sometimes I may argue with his methodology, or how he actually phrases a question, but overall, he is a class act, as these things go.....

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As I understand Gallup, that's an "independent" pollster as well. Or is he? I've seen Gallup polls presented in the alphabet press (which is tantamount to saying it's liberal as hell), but my vibe is they've got a decent reputation.
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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #131 on: July 15, 2009, 04:21:08 PM »
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Diageo/Hotline Poll: Obama Approval Drops 9% in a Month
Let me clarify that that isn't even a net drop. That's just the pure drop in approval.

This link mentions the poll, but the press release AHFF Geoff sends me is more complete.

Obama Job Approval Rating Drops Nine Points
Poll Finds Decreased Confidence in Stimulus Spending and Concerns Over Deficit

Double-Digit Increase in Percentage of Voters Saying Country Is On the "Wrong Track"

New York, July 15, 2009 - The Diageo/Hotline Poll of 800 U.S. registered voters conducted by FD from July 9-13, 2009, finds that the percentage of American voters who approve of the job President Obama is doing has dropped nine points to 56%. The previous Diageo/ Hotline Poll, conducted from June 4-7, found that 65% of voters approved of the job he was doing.

Obama's Job Approval Ratings

With 56% of voters approving of the job he is doing, the Poll finds President Obama's job approval rating is at its lowest level recorded in the six monthly Diageo/Hotline Polls since President Obama took office.


Interestingly, compared to June, the decrease in Obama's job approval ratings is being driven primarily by decreases among male voters (-15 points), Independent voters (-15 points), and rural voters (-15 points).

The three groups whose atypically high support for a liberal presidential candidate got Obama elected.

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More details here: http://minx.cc/?post=289704



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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #132 on: July 16, 2009, 11:02:34 AM »
Well, Obama's all 'het up for rationed medical care and "Tax and Tax" will add, annually, at least $300,000,000,000 , demanding it be passed this next month, and it is UNFUNDED! tHE IDEA THAT 5.5% and a 1% surcharge on the "rich" will cover the cost of adding 12,000,000,000 aliens to health insurance and $3,100 per family with the tax and tax CO2 control law add up to anything is INSANE.

So we're guaranteed to be $1.3 TRILLION MINIMUM FURTHER in unfunded debt, thanks to Barack and our idiot Congress by the end of this year.

How's rthat "hope and change" thing working out? YES WE CAN'T!

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #133 on: July 16, 2009, 01:10:55 PM »
As I understand Gallup, that's an "independent" pollster as well. Or is he? I've seen Gallup polls presented in the alphabet press (which is tantamount to saying it's liberal as hell), but my vibe is they've got a decent reputation.

Gallup is the oldest polling organization in the US, and they "used" to be independent, until they teamed with CNN, and the New York Times.  When you study their methodology, they use "tried and true" techniques, however the internals will show the consistent overpolling of Democrats, and their calling samples are heavily weighted to northeastern areas........I can't remember the last time that the internals for a Gallup/CNN poll showed a significant sampling percentage in the midwest or south (unless they were polling a single state or area).

It is naive to believe that the folks that are actually PAYING for the pollster's work not to have an influence on either the way the questions are worded (critical to the outcome), or the area and day of the week that the survey  is conducted.  For example:  If you want to slant a poll toward a liberal result, you will conduct the survey on the weekend........conservatives are out doing something with their families, but the welfare queens are sitting at home watching "American Idol" reruns, or even more blatant, conduct the survey during the week, but only during working hours......that way the only folks at home are either unemployed, or unemployable,,,,,,,,therefore skewing the outcome.

That is why it is important to read the "internals" which all reputable pollsters will publish, that way you can determine the "skew" for yourself, and the overall validity of the poll.

You will remember that during the Clinton administration the Monica scandal, through impeachment, and all the way to the day that he walked out of the White House, he polled at a 60% job approval rating......I don't believe that for a minute......it was all ginned up by the media organizations to make Bubba look like he was a victim.  I have a low confidence level in any poll that is sponsored by any of the MSM organizations, as I believe that they are only done to provide "talking points" for the news cycle........not reliable information for the public.

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #134 on: July 16, 2009, 01:14:58 PM »
Gallup is the oldest polling organization in the US, and they "used" to be independent, until they teamed with CNN, and the New York Times.  When you study their methodology, they use "tried and true" techniques, however the internals will show the consistent overpolling of Democrats, and their calling samples are heavily weighted to northeastern areas........I can't remember the last time that the internals for a Gallup/CNN poll showed a significant sampling percentage in the midwest or south (unless they were polling a single state or area).

It is naive to believe that the folks that are actually PAYING for the pollster's work not to have an influence on either the way the questions are worded (critical to the outcome), or the area and day of the week that the survey  is conducted.  For example:  If you want to slant a poll toward a liberal result, you will conduct the survey on the weekend........conservatives are out doing something with their families, but the welfare queens are sitting at home watching "American Idol" reruns, or even more blatant, conduct the survey during the week, but only during working hours......that way the only folks at home are either unemployed, or unemployable,,,,,,,,therefore skewing the outcome.

That is why it is important to read the "internals" which all reputable pollsters will publish, that way you can determine the "skew" for yourself, and the overall validity of the poll.

You will remember that during the Clinton administration the Monica scandal, through impeachment, and all the way to the day that he walked out of the White House, he polled at a 60% job approval rating......I don't believe that for a minute......it was all ginned up by the media organizations to make Bubba look like he was a victim.  I have a low confidence level in any poll that is sponsored by any of the MSM organizations, as I believe that they are only done to provide "talking points" for the news cycle........not reliable information for the public.

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Those who write the paychecks usually get what they want - even if it's data. Concur with that, no doubt, but who else is paying Gallup's bills? That's not clear in any reading I've done, especially that of Gallup.com itself. It certainly isn't all the alphabet press...
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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #135 on: July 16, 2009, 01:24:30 PM »
Those who write the paychecks usually get what they want - even if it's data. Concur with that, no doubt, but who else is paying Gallup's bills? That's not clear in any reading I've done, especially that of Gallup.com itself. It certainly isn't all the alphabet press...

Right now Gallup has a five-year contract with CNN/NYT (it would be unlikely that they would consider that public information for obvious reasons), and these organizations are providing the bulk of their income.....that does not mean that they don't conduct polls for other organizations, but generally other organizations that comission a poll keep the data for their own internal use, and you don't see the results on the six o'clock news.

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #136 on: July 19, 2009, 07:00:24 AM »


I am not a Republican, but I utterly fail to understand how ANY Republican - RINO or otherwise - can actually line up behind Lord Zero in support.



I can... As 0bama pushes harder and harder left, more and more of the middle realize what a disaster this guy is.  When your enemy is destroying himself, let him continue to do it...

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #137 on: July 20, 2009, 08:25:40 AM »
The full poll isn't out yet but http://drudgereport.com/ has this teaser.

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RASMUSSEN 2012 poll released at 10:30AM ET

Obama 45% Romney 45%
Obama 48% Palin 42%

and the 'passion index' still at minus 7, but see this

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Overall, 50% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove. The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #138 on: July 20, 2009, 09:05:52 AM »
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Overall, 50% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove. The President earns approval from 41% of white voters, 97% of black voters, and 58% of all other voters.

Makes me wonder how many of those 97%ers are even remotely politically aware of whats going on with the economy.

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« Reply #139 on: July 20, 2009, 12:29:21 PM »
Makes me wonder how many of those 97%ers are even remotely politically aware of whats going on with the economy.

All that they are aware of is that he is "black".........kinda like O.J., that makes everything he does OK with them........sort of a shame isn't it?

Over the years, I've worked with some very well educated, articulate, even brilliant black folks, but I guess they are in the remaining 3%.......statistics like these don't do anything to foster the quest for "racial equality".

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« Reply #140 on: July 20, 2009, 04:23:35 PM »
Makes me wonder how many of those 97%ers are even remotely politically aware of whats going on with the economy.

So long as those welfare checks keep coming, they cool with it....
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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #141 on: July 20, 2009, 05:15:26 PM »
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Obama Third Least Popular President Since World War II

 
A new USA Today/Gallup poll puts President Obama's approval rating at 55 percent, which ranks him 10th among 12 post-World War II presidents at the same point in the survey. His approval is down from 61 percent in late May ...
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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #143 on: July 20, 2009, 05:30:34 PM »
Who was 11th & 12th?
I don't know, the article doesn't say, but  neither of them were GW Bush or we'd know about it.



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Re: Daily Presidential Approval Index
« Reply #144 on: July 20, 2009, 05:35:34 PM »
Who was 11th & 12th?
I'm guessing Nixon and Carter.

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« Reply #145 on: July 20, 2009, 05:39:33 PM »
I'm guessing Nixon and Carter.
I found this, it is of some help http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

at a guess I'd say it's between Ford, Carter and Clinton



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« Reply #146 on: July 21, 2009, 01:21:26 PM »
Here's a better link, you can compare Presidents.  http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/presidential-approval-tracker.htm



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« Reply #147 on: July 21, 2009, 01:50:49 PM »
All that they are aware of is that he is "black".........kinda like O.J., that makes everything he does OK with them.

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« Reply #148 on: July 23, 2009, 02:41:32 PM »
From Ace of Spades blog
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...While most African-American voters (56%) still say the country is heading in the right direction, that’s down seven points over the past week. Only 28% of white voters agree, showing no change from the previous survey...





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« Reply #149 on: July 24, 2009, 12:07:43 PM »

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...Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Today marks the first time his overall approval rating has ever fallen below 50% among Likely Voters nationwide. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove....
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll