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Offline dutch508

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Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« on: January 10, 2022, 10:45:01 PM »
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Star Member babylonsister (168,629 posts)


Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics

I agree; I've already heard from the peanut gallery that this is cray-cray.

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Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
January 10, 2022 at 9:44 am EST By Taegan Goddard


Mona Charen: “Acts like New York City’s cheapen the meaning of citizenship. Voting is not just a transaction. It isn’t just a matter of deciding which candidate will better handle snow removal or trash collection. Voting is an act of affiliation, a statement of solidarity with the nation you’ve adopted as your own…”

“It’s a lead-pipe cinch that this will become a major campaign talking point for Republicans. They will depict this as proof that Democrats only favor immigration because they want to pad the number of Democratic voters (leaving aside that Hispanic voters have been trending toward the Republicans in recent elections). And they will likely find that most Americans agree… This is an own goal for Democrats.”

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Star Member Binkie The Clown (7,665 posts)

1. The conservatives will beat us to death with this. Such a stupid blunder deserves to be punished. nt

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Jedi Guy (2,191 posts)

20. I think the larger issue is how it plays out as a thought experiment.

Logically, if non-citizens should be able to vote in local elections because they live in that city, shouldn't they also be able to vote in national/federal elections? After all, they do live in the country. I recognize there are federal laws barring non-citizens from voting in federal elections, but the line drawn seems somewhat arbitrary based on the justification for voting in local elections.

It's a pretty small step from one to the other, and making the argument that non-citizens should be able to vote in national/federal elections is not going to play well.

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Mad_Machine76 (21,904 posts)

44. Republicans in NYC?

Or elsewhere? And why should we care? States and cities can do what they want, right? They can let COVID run amok in their cities and states and letting non-citizens vote in NYC and we are the ones in trouble?!

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rampartc (4,090 posts)

2. voting is a responsibility of citizenship.

the repubs will flail us with this one.

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Star Member CrispyQ (31,099 posts)

6. If you pay taxes in a city/county,

shouldn't you have the right to vote on issues & candidates in those jurisdictions? Wouldn't that be taxation without representation? If people don't like this law, let's write one that states if you aren't allowed to vote, for whatever reason, then you don't have to pay any taxes.

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Dr. Strange (25,244 posts)

25. If a ten-year-old buys a candy bar and pays taxes on it, do they get to vote?

Conversely, if they don't get to vote, are they exempted from paying taxes when they buy stuff?

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Star Member CrispyQ (31,099 posts)

30. Ten-year-old's aren't eligible to vote due to their age, so that's a different argument.

Then you could ask, should the ten-year-old have to pay taxes? So yeah, where do you draw the line on taxes vs voting? IDK. But if you are a homeowner or business owner, it seems you should be eligible to vote for issues & candidates that affect your home or business. OTOH, I can see the argument that if you care so much about government, then become part of the nation.

In the end, there won't be a national discussion about the issue. Babylonsister was right. The right wing media is going to bludgeon us on this issue. Just like defund the police.

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Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (15,069 posts)

7. Arguing that doing the right thing is a bad idea because of how it polls is pretty gross.

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Star Member CrispyQ (31,099 posts)

17. You are right.

And partly because we don't do marketing. People will think that non-citizens are voting for congress & president, not mayor of the town they live in, or on issues that affect them locally. And our side will be like crickets. Just like we were with defund the police & tax & spend democrats & the list goes on & on.

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Star Member NurseJackie (42,353 posts)

9. Yep... it's right up there with "defund the police" and "forgive all college loans"

... IMHO.

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Star Member JCMach1 (26,394 posts)

24. Worst idea I have heard in a long time. I spent decades outside the US and never once expected

To have citizenship rights in those countries, or the right to vote.

Part of the civic process in this country is becoming a citizen if you aren't one... That's the first step of political integration.

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Emile (305 posts)

32. Who in the hell thinks this is a good idea? Republicans pretending to be Democrats would

be my guess!

 :thatsright:

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dalton99a (65,126 posts)

33. The "Open Borders" narrative needs a turbocharge


"Democrats Demand Voting Rights for Illegal Immigrants"

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Star Member babylonsister (168,629 posts)

37. NYC mayor Eric Adams...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-allows-noncitizen-voting-bill-n1287225

New York City Mayor Eric Adams allows noncitizen voting bill to become law

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Emile (305 posts)

38. So that's who we blame if we lose the midterms?

By god I sure as hell don't see this as doing the Democratic party any favor!

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Mad_Machine76 (21,904 posts)

45. Does OP know Mona Charen

And why she shouldn’t be considered a friend of DU?

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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2022, 06:46:02 AM »
Yep, DU...  The slope is officially slippery.
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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 08:04:36 AM »
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9. Yep... it's right up there with "defund the police" and "forgive all college loans"

... IMHO.

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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2022, 08:15:20 AM »
Conservatives will bludgeon you over this issue?

No, pretty much everyone who isn't a hardcore democrat will bludgeon you over this issue.

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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 08:45:29 AM »
I am definitely against representation without taxation. I LOVE to see the DUpipo trying to tie the right to vote with the obligation to pay taxes. It wouldn't end well for their hand out hungry base.

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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2022, 12:37:05 PM »
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CrispyQ (31,099 posts)

6. If you pay taxes in a city/county,

shouldn't you have the right to vote on issues & candidates in those jurisdictions? Wouldn't that be taxation without representation? If people don't like this law, let's write one that states if you aren't allowed to vote, for whatever reason, then you don't have to pay any taxes.

If they have jobs presumably they pay federal income taxes. Right?
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Re: Letting Non-Citizens Vote Is Terrible Politics
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 01:22:16 PM »
While "terrible politics" may be tactically correct, strategically it is unprincipled.
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