nadin admits she lives in a different reality; the bullies recrudesce

[franksolich]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10026548590

Oh my.

This is a continuation of BainsBane's thread about some poor smuck getting the heave-ho from Skins's island, but this discussion needs to stand alone, to show the cousin in all her blazing glory.

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:49 PM

56. You know, I do not blame most people for thinking
 
that Presidents can do all they believe they can do. And if you listen to a few of the regulars here, yes, the president can do a lot of shit, that he cannot do, and the focus on the presidency is like insane.

I blame the fact that imperial presidencies are more powerful than they used to be. Fun fact, before FDR Congress was the focus of national elections, not the presidency. That started to change in the post war era, and really became what it is these days with Kennedy.

I also blame the media. We do a pretty poor job in explaining how any of this works, (mind you some of my local political reporters have no idea either... ah some of the stories I can tell). That said, I just wanted to leave this as a point of discussion, thought even.

Now back to work with me. And if people stopped hating each other we might actually get somewhere as a people... but that is a whole different kettle of fish, not appropriate, ironically, for a political partisan board. 

FSogol (23,918 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:17 PM

74. Not true: " before FDR Congress was the focus of national elections, not the presidency."
 
A quick look at newspaper and newsreel coverage will show that the Presidency was always the main focus. The voting turnout in non-Presidential elections will show your statement is in error also.

Lastly, FDR was probably our most imperial president and there is nothing wrong with wanting the Democrats to continue holding power.

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:26 PM

82. Why every third party that ever got anywhere
 
wanted to control congress more than the WH, and that includes the Republicans.

Why papers cover horse races? It is easier to cover a single horse race than multiple horse races.

And I got over the partisan shit a while ago. The people I talk to regularly, have lost complete trust in it as well. As I said, not, ironically, a good place to have this discussion.

Oh and finally FSGOOOL, I ain't talking of news coverage, but you should have gathered that, and FDR was NOT our most imperial president either. I got dibs on a few others in the post war era. 

FSogol (23,918 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:31 PM

88. When someone mentions facts, make word salad!

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)      Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:50 PM

102. When we can't counter facts
 
Like every historian credits the national security state under Trumman as the origin of the national security state, go for personal attacks. It is rather cute. 

"Trumman" 

FSogol (23,918 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:55 PM

105. Did anyone mention Trumman (sic) or national security? We were discussing elections and 3rd parties
 
Your dismissive 'cute' response would be like me saying, "No, Ferris wheels were first invented by Pittsburgh Engineer, George Washington Gale Ferris." 

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 02:34 PM

142. You said FDR was the most imperial Evah
 
I stated a few others in the post wartime to mind. Perhaps I am wrong and 1947 precedes 1932

I live n a very different reality than you do. Mind you, that is a fact who knew it included the calendar. It is lovely and cute though. 

FSogol (23,918 posts)  Wed Apr 22, 2015, 02:39 PM 

149. Word Salad!
 
Feel free to have the last word. 

BainsBane (30,856 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:05 PM

160. If you look at the numbers of executive orders
 
which are accessible through the National Archives website, that supports the point of FDR's as an imperial presidency. Then the four terms, efforts to stack the Supreme Court. He did good things, but he wielded a huge amount of power to accomplish it. 

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:17 PM

164. And he was still not an imperial president
 
You start that with Trumman. It is the definition of terms and it is not limited to executive orders. Like with the TTP who to believe on this? A panoply of distinguished US Historians....or....

Forgive me for believing historians on this. 

"Trumman" 

BainsBane (30,856 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:58 PM

178. Okay, which historians?
 
What are your sources?

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:07 PM

180. Shlesinger among others
 
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/33764/gaddis-smith/the-truman-presidency-the-origins-of-the-imperial-presidency-and

Add these guys

This is a recognized convention among American historians. (And I will add specialists in US History abroad)

Was FDR exercising some features of an Imperial presidency? Yes, so was Coolidge and his cousin no less, But he is not considered the origin of the modern form. That be Truman, with the rise of the National Security State.

This is so basic you get in AP history courses.

And I think having done extensive reading (add Caro to the list),

By the way, when was the last time that Congress declared War? Sep. of 1941. This is one of the features of it. It is a huge marker actually.

You can add Erwin L Morris in the American Presidency, theories on Presidential power chapter.

You can add my instructors in both US History and Political Science to the list.

As I said, who to believe? Standard understanding of this, or to use stevenleser words, "emotional arguments."

By the way, I find this need to rewrite history to fit a narrative, as an intense (and rather disgusting) feature of hyper partisans, regardless of party. One day I might even get it. Why people need to do it. 

Uh, I've suddenly become dubious of the cousin's credentials in history.

By the way, when was the last time that Congress declared War? Sep. of 1941.

<<<thinks even the primitives would know it was December, not September.

Bad, bad nadin.  Bad nadin, for screwing that up.

BainsBane (30,856 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:16 PM

181. That's the title of a book review
 
It doesn't provide content. Did your AP history include learning how to cite sources? How about the concept of historiography? Or were you taught by a Rankean? 

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:24 PM

182. My masters degree IN HISTORY did that
 
but you know what? I am not going to bother writing a thesis to prove to you how wrong you are, on this. I have better things to do than try to prove to partisans that the sky is indeed cloudy outside my door right now. Or that a standard definition of the time line of US History is what it is.

You and your friend can live in an alternate, non standard, version of US History... it really affects me not.

You are wrong. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was NOT the first imperial president of the modern period, that is Trumman. Have fun with it That is a fact, regardless of how many times you try to get cute about it.

And this, the book, in case you are truly curious. I doubt you are, but hell, I am ok with it.

http://www.amazon.com/Truman-Presidency-Imperial-National-Security/dp/0930576128

For the record, Schlesinger also wrote an extremely good piece of work on anti intellectualism in US Politics, and you are exhibiting what he described in that book. And I am cool with that. It is what it is. Hyperpartisanship is truly a mystery to me. Perhaps, before I die, I will be able to decode it, but I truly doubt it, because I rather deal with realities in the field.

Have fun thinking that up is down and black is white. I guess war is peace, and the rations went up this week. I do not love big brother... so report me to big brother.

And I forgot, I find this extremely cute and telling. 

BainsBane (30,856 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:54 PM

195. I live for non-standard versions of history
 
That is what the discipline of history is all about. I don't have a background in US political history so I certainly don't claim absolute knowledge of it, as you evidently feel an MA enables you to do. Two whole years in grad school and you know it all, except of course what historians actually do. You have cited nothing to prove your point. Your ego does not suffice for evidence, and evidence after all is what establishes narrative authority in history.

Anti-intellectual. That's a good one. 

You really are so wrapped up in your own ego you have no idea what you've wandered into. 

Whoa.

BainsBane just got a bushel of brownie points from franksolich, for that last comment.

Awesome.

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)   Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:06 PM

206. You are for falsification of US history
 
I love how one personal attack blew in your face, so now you go for the next one... oh wait, there are three in this post! That must be a record of some sort!

Hey, it is what it is, and at this point in my life, is is extremely cute. It tells me exactly what you are and who you are.

It is what it is. And it is all but shocking,

Now seriously the entertainment and distraction is over. I got a few white papers to go though, the coffee finished brewing, and the wash is running. 

BainsBane (30,856 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:29 PM

215. You are funny
 
Absolutely no space between your ego and absolute truth. Looks like you didn't pick up much in those little grad classes of yours. 

Whoa.

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:32 PM

216. How cute
 
mom can I keep this personal attack? CAN I? CUTE! 

pintobean (14,194 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:14 PM
to BainsBane, above

209. She does that often.
 
It's nice to see her pitching into your wheelhouse. This should be good. 

FSogol (23,918 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:30 PM

185. Do you know what I read in my AP English Lit class?
 
James Thurber's "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty." 

 

[Carl]

Nads and Jugs slap fighting over which is the most self ascribed intellectual ****ing idiot...priceless.

[GOBUCKS]

This is so great!

nadin in mid-season form in an all-out firefight with the head of the Ku Klux Klams!

It hardly gets any better.

It's unfortunate that it's buried so deep in Jugs's thread that nadin's fan club may not catch it.

[FlippyDoo]

I just scanned through things because I've got a headache. This is what I saw...

A self-proclaimed trained hysterian claim congress declared war in September of 41 and rants about some guy named Trumman (who I've never heard of) that was president of something and then accuse someone else of falsifying history.

I don't know whether to say that be ironic or that be retardant.

Let me just add that I'm so glad that nadin is back sharing all-knowing-but-wrong wisdom with the DUmmies.

[98ZJUSMC]

 

Priceless!  Excellent find.

[obumazombie]

nadinbrzezinski (135,923 posts)    Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:49 PM

56. You know, I do not blame most people for thinking
 
that Presidents can do all they believe they can do. And if you listen to a few of the regulars here, yes, the president can do a lot of shit, that he cannot do, and the focus on the presidency is like insane.

I blame the fact that imperial presidencies are more powerful than they used to be. Fun fact, before FDR Congress was the focus of national elections, not the presidency. That started to change in the post war era, and really became what it is these days with Kennedy.

I also blame the media. We do a pretty poor job in explaining how any of this works, (mind you some of my local political reporters have no idea either... ah some of the stories I can tell). That said, I just wanted to leave this as a point of discussion, thought even.

Now back to work with me. And if people stopped hating each other we might actually get somewhere as a people... but that is a whole different kettle of fish, not appropriate, ironically, for a political partisan board.

fodder for resume update...media mogul

[Ptarmigan]

Nadin and Bainsbane really hate each other. 

[GOBUCKS]

Poor stupid Pam Dawson, victim of an unfortunate chromosomal accident, wades into a battle of wits.

She read our thread here, and thought she could enter the fray.

Not the best environment for Pam:

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:21 PM
demtenjeep (22,241 posts)
321. can you tell me who Trumman is? and we declared war in Dec 41 not Sept.

In Sept we were still trying to sell to the world that we were neutral

Remember Pam is a member of the teaching profession, like nadin is a journalist.

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:00 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,946 posts)
334. YOu shit me, you do not know who Harry S Truman is?

And FDR declared war and not the Congress. Ok. I fully admit I live in a different version of the US. Who knew, alternate universes are connected. You are right, it was December not Sep... but in my version it was Congress, not the President. But as I said, we live in a different world and somehow, I guess it is DU... our alternate realities are connected. No wonder that we are not singing from the same sheet of music.

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:19 PM
demtenjeep (22,241 posts)
344. I know that Harry S Truman was FDR's VICE President in 41

and that most people though him to be not much better than Quayle

This Trumman I have never heard of.

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:22 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,946 posts)
347. Oh I am sorry

you got hung on my Iphone autocorrect

My apologies, it does that from time to time. Autocorrect sucks, at least where I live.

But you see, there is a reason why I do not get hung up on spellings that much, especially when you knew specifically who I was talking about. And if you did not, well that was cute... really cute.

Autocorrect?

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:34 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,946 posts)
357. Oh and you mean Senator Truman was in the Senate in 1941

the mostly forgotten and none remembers Henry A Wallace was FDR's VEEP in 1941. Truman replaced him in the ticket for the 1944 election.

[dane]

I've suddenly become dubious of the cousin's credentials in history.

Gasp! Borderline blasphemy!

[BlueStateSaint]

Autocorrect?

Yeah, it is stretching the bounds of believably that Nadin would ever deign herself to be corrected by anything.  Also, how long before Nadin ends up on the site below?

http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com

 

[Big Dog]

Autocorrect?

Only gNads would have an iPhone that corrected "Truman" to "Trumman".

Maybe she has the Polish model.

[GOBUCKS]

And Dan Quayle would have made a fine president, certainly light-years ahead of the squalid Clintons who followed him and the traitorous jug-eared muslim we have today.

[JakeStyle]

She's back at it

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #385)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:15 AM

nadinbrzezinski (135,960 posts)

405. Excuse me, but when BB went after standard timelines

of US History and did a series of vile attacks, it shows the shallowness of her argument, and yours at this point.

Did you keep your receipt is a shallow and funny attack.

I expect no less from some folks here. It used to piss me off. These days I find it extremely cute, Serious. Like a duck and water come to mind. I also find it extremely revealing.

My other point still stands too. In standard US History time lines the first IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY is that of one man that followed FDR, you might have even heard of him, Truman. It is not his use of a nuke, or two, it is the full reorganization of the state, and creation of agencies such as the NSA and the CIA.

That is what is standard. So forgive for assuming that in your non standard time line of US History, FDR declared war without consulting Congress. It does make for an interesting premise for a sci fi story though.

I wonder why the radical right and the radical center need to do this, and someday I will decode it.

IF BB wants to present that thesis as a paper at a history conference, by all means. I expect more than a few experts to listen politely and then politely chuckle.

And just to avoid a self delete...since you guys also tend to do that at times when fully caught.... and I guess I find it so cute I am keeping it.

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #405)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:57 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (14,965 posts)

406. "it shows the shallowness of her argument, and yours at this point."

You accused me of claiming FDR declared war. I asserted quite truthfully that I never made such a claim.


Did you keep your receipt is a shallow and funny attack.

You claimed to hold a Masters degree in history yet flubbed the date of one of the most pivotal dates in modern history.

My other point still stands too...

I really don't care. You storm into the thread casting airs but then flub basic facts and then make unfounded accusations about things where I never offered an opinion; all done combatively and in a style that would never pass a thesis examining board let alone survive to be deemed Masters-level work. That is, when you aren't playing the victim just because people push-back.

And, no, your autocorrect did not misspell Trumman for Truman.

If you want to be taken seriously and respected you could always try extending those courtesies to others.

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #406)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:45 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,960 posts)

408. I have not accused you of nothign

but have fun claiming that.

On the other hand you engaged in a vile personal attack.

As I said, this is immensely cute to me. Immensely.

Have an excellent day...

"Cute" seems to be her new buzzword.

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #410)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:16 PM

nadinbrzezinski (135,961 posts)
411. Dude are you so much into personal attacks?

and dudette, thank you very much.

I stated that since you kept defending BB for writing something patently out of the common understanding of US History. You tried to pile in, with personal attacks and you continue.

I find this extremely revealing. This is about you and yours alone. And it is about YOUR NEEDs not mine.

So as I said, keep it up. I find it extremely revealing and cute.

Here is the original of those personal attacks

Nuclear Unicorn (14,963 posts)
323. "My masters degree IN HISTORY..."

Did you save the receipt?

By the way, when was the last time that Congress declared War? Sep. of 1941.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026548590#post180


And my apologies if you feel this was a personal attack, but it was not.

Nuclear Unicorn (14,966 posts)
410. "I have not accused you of nothign"

Dude, you can't write things so patently untrue when refuting your statement is just a hyperlink away. You wrote -- to me --


nadinbrzezinski (135,960 posts)

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #323)

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:01 PM

336. My mistake that was Dec, the point still stands but as Dempjeep demonstrated, we live in alternate realities. In yours the President declared war and did not ask Congress for ANY input.

You on the other hand started this with a vile personal attack, which I do not expect your apology for. I just expect further pile on. Why I find this extremely cute.

And quite brutally I have a news story to write. So enough wasting time with the pile on m'kay. but it extremely cute. Speaks volumes.

[obumazombie]

Can't coach franksolich get his cousin nadin to play well with others in the sandbox ?

[FlippyDoo]

Nads is back and she's brought her cute finder with her. It's going to be an excellent summer.

I've heard a rumor that my people are trying to work out a deal with her people to do an all-new special edition FlippyDoo Show, but she's in big demand all over the world so I don't know how that'll work out.

[JakeStyle]

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #412)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:07 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,962 posts)
413. Whatever dude

have a good day... and I find it quite cute. It used to bother me. It does not.

Feel free to put me on ignore if you so wish. You are not going on ignore, any of you is not. And I am not going away.

Now if you chose to apologize, that would be nice, but novel. You guys never, ever admit an error, or personal attacks. So for a reminder, here is your original and quite vile personal attack.  If pointing a fact is being condescending, well guilty as charged.

And yes, I find it rather cute... sorry... it is what it is.

[obumazombie]

"It is what it is" always leaves me wondering what it is.

[GOBUCKS]

I've heard a rumor that my people are trying to work out a deal with her people to do an all-new special edition FlippyDoo Show

It may happen, now that she's figured out how to record video on her iPhone.

[obumazombie]

It may happen, now that she's figured out how to record video on her iPhone.

Surely she has an iPhone good rig.

[franksolich]

She's back at it.

Oh geezuz gawd.

She makes those of us with college degrees in history--which includes BainsBane and franksolich, by the way--look like Einsteinian geniuses.

Damn.

One can tell nadin's from a third-world country, because she attaches far too much importance to an "official" piece of paper, as if it puts her on par with, or above, those who really know what they're talking about.

[GOBUCKS]

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:07 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,962 posts)
413. Whatever dude

You guys never, ever admit an error

One of the crazy bald dwarf's funniest posts in a long time.

[obumazombie]

One of the crazy bald dwarf's funniest posts in a long time.

The entertainment value is worth the price of admission.

[GOBUCKS]

<<<thinks even the primitives would know it was December, not September.

Bad, bad nadin.  Bad nadin, for screwing that up.

Is the date error worse than not knowing how to spell "Truman"?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Nuclear Unicorn (14,965 posts)

....

And, no, your autocorrect did not misspell Trumman for Truman.

I have this slow motion image of the fat, bald dwarf lunging in an enraged fury for the throat of a svelte, young college coed only to see the coed deftly backhand the dwarf with such force as to send waves rippling through the dwarf's jelly rolls.

[FlippyDoo]

Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:22 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,946 posts)
347. Oh I am sorry

you got hung on my Iphone autocorrect

My apologies, it does that from time to time. Autocorrect sucks, at least where I live.

But you see, there is a reason why I do not get hung up on spellings that much, especially when you knew specifically who I was talking about. And if you did not, well that was cute... really cute.

I have an iPhone. I just typed in Trumman, Truman, and Iphone. On my iPhone the word "Truman" was left completely alone. The word "Iphone" was automatically changed to "iPhone". The word "Trumman" had a red dashed line beneath it, and when I clicked on the word it offered the suggestion of replacing the word with "Truman" or "Grumman". I think nadin is Clintoning when it comes to auto-correct.