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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: bijou on July 25, 2009, 12:20:38 PM
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Taking a new hard line that news articles should not turn up on search engines and Web sites without permission, The Associated Press said Thursday that it would add software to each article that shows what limits apply to the rights to use it, and that notifies The A.P. about how the article is used.
Tom Curley, The A.P.’s president and chief executive, said the company’s position was that even minimal use of a news article online required a licensing agreement with the news organization that produced it. In an interview, he specifically cited references that include a headline and a link to an article, a standard practice of search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo, news aggregators and blogs.
Asked if that stance went further than The A.P. had gone before, he said, “That’s right.†The company envisions a campaign that goes far beyond The A.P., a nonprofit corporation. It wants the 1,400 American newspapers that own the company to join the effort and use its software.
“If someone can build multibillion-dollar businesses out of keywords, we can build multihundred-million businesses out of headlines, and we’re going to do that,†Mr. Curley said. The goal, he said, was not to have less use of the news articles, but to be paid for any use. ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/business/media/24content.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
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The newsprint industry, as well as the broadcast networks news operations are circling the drain, so they decide to attempt to wring a few more nickles out of a lousy product......
Great move.....best of luck.......
As if there are not millions of web sources for news besides AP.........
doc
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AP has been circling the drain for years, not to mention deep in Obama's pockets. Doesn't CU ban using these articles? Not that I blame them.
I won't use them anymore, they depend too much on smacking down conservatives with too many "sources say" credit to legitimize their, uhm, journalism.
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AP has been circling the drain for years, not to mention deep in Obama's pockets. Doesn't CU ban using these articles? Not that I blame them.
I won't use them anymore, they depend too much on smacking down conservatives with too many "sources say" credit to legitimize their, uhm, journalism.
I'm pretty sure the mods and admins at FR enforce a non-AP policy. Don't know about CU.
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I'm pretty sure the mods and admins at FR enforce a non-AP policy. Don't know about CU.
Found it:
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=13296
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I'm pretty sure the mods and admins at FR enforce a non-AP policy. Don't know about CU.
Yeah, CU does as well. I personally feel we should here.
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Taking a new hard line that news articles should not turn up on search engines and Web sites without permission, The Associated Press said Thursday that it would add software to each article that shows what limits apply to the rights to use it, and that notifies The A.P. about how the article is used...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/24/business/media/24content.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
I wonder how that software will affect "Screencapping" the damned article, for when Winston Smith and the rest of the Ø-Bots are busy disappearing articles which aren't sufficiently fellating of Teh Ø.
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What if the Associated Press is the only source of a story?
Anybody have any idea if it would be okay to just post the AP link, and the one posting it gave a three- or four-sentence, in his own words, what's at the link?
Example:
link
The news article describes a seance at the White House in which President 0bama gets spooked by the late Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel, who berates him for being so stupid.
What if it was originally an AP article, but the link is to google, not AP?
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What if the Associated Press is the only source of a story?
Anybody have any idea if it would be okay to just post the AP link, and the one posting it gave a three- or four-sentence, in his own words, what's at the link?
Example:
What if it was originally an AP article, but the link is to google, not AP?
I think that even the link will be a problem, although if it is from another news site e.g. Fox or whatever, it may be different.
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From the article...
Tom Curley, The A.P.’s president and chief executive, said the company’s position was that even minimal use of a news article online required a licensing agreement with the news organization that produced it. In an interview, he specifically cited references that include a headline and a link to an article, a standard practice of search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo, news aggregators and blogs
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So what is AP gonna do when everyone in the world stops reading their stories? ::)
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According to Mr. Curley, they're not proposing a new rule yet, they're just "identifying the problem".
I'm sure the solution will be equally brilliant.
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Breitbart and Fox are good sources for news. And there's always World Net Daily. :-)
I got a good look at Breitbart.com. It has a news aggregator that allows you to exclude the Associated Press by listing articles by wire service (AFP, UPI, Reuters).
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I like Newser too:
http://www.newser.com/
You get photos, videos and a 3 paragraph summary with a link to the source. If you register, you can comment without filling out a form every time you post a comment plus earn points for just reading (clicking on) an article. It's a news site for competitive news junkies :drool:
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Dear Al-AP,
Nice going if your goal is to try to make yourself even MORE irrelevant.
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Okay, just to be safe, I plan to avoid all Associated Press articles, period.
However, I'm mystified at the idea that AP objects even to mere links; it doesn't make sense, as links bring more traffic to the AP stories.
In Lincoln some years ago--the very early 1990s--the local television station (CBS) demanded payment by the television cable company, because the cable company carried the station. This dragged on and on, and for a while the cable company threatened to drop the Lincoln station from its line-up.
I could not understand this, because by carrying the Lincoln station, the cable company was widening and increasing viewership of the Lincoln station.
In fact, if anybody should be charging anybody, I thought the cable company should charge the Lincoln station, for bringing to it increased traffic.
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No matter what AP thinks, there are still "fair use" laws.
I think what they were most concerned about in the start of all this was online "newspapers" that were publishing entire AP articles with license.
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I do not think the AP is a reliable source of information when it comes to politics. Read this Propaganda Piece from the AP (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FACT_CHECK_HEALTH_POLL?SITE=CALAK&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT), about healthcare "myths".
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I do not think the AP is a reliable source of information when it comes to politics. Read this Propaganda Piece from the AP (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FACT_CHECK_HEALTH_POLL?SITE=CALAK&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT), about healthcare "myths".
I came across that when it was published and almost brought it over here. Talk about your shameless whoring and water-carrying for the Democratic Party. Vomit-inducing.
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I came across that when it was published and almost brought it over here. Talk about your shameless whoring and water-carrying for the Democratic Party. Vomit-inducing.
I looked, but didn't see an 0Bama or Gibbs byline to the article, but it wouldn't have been much different if they had written it. It sounded like it came straight from the White House.
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I looked, but didn't see an 0Bama or Gibbs byline to the article, but it wouldn't have been much different if they had written it. It sounded like it came straight from the White House.
It probably did. Winston Smith should sue the hell out of 'em for not properly attributing the article.
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**** AP, and the horse they rode in on. http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,33228.0.html
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After AP put 11 reporters to fact check Palin's book and 2 reporters to fact check the 400+page Health care bill.....well they pretty much lost all claim to legitimacy.
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Yeah, the newsprint industry is just insuring that they won't survive in the new internet world of news. People will just rely on fox, drudge, and new places like brietbart and WND.
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The newsprint industry, as well as the broadcast networks news operations are circling the drain, so they decide to attempt to wring a few more nickles out of a lousy product......
Great move.....best of luck.......
As if there are not millions of web sources for news besides AP.........
doc
Exactly. Overpaid anchors on the 6oclock news will be dinosaurs in a few years. Every night they cover one shooting, one accident, the weather and sports <yawn>. They try to look pretty Most of them dont) and read a teleprompter...wow...now thats journalism!!!!!
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From the article...
Tom Curley, The A.P.’s president and chief executive, said the company’s position was that even minimal use of a news article online required a licensing agreement with the news organization that produced it. In an interview, he specifically cited references that include a headline and a link to an article, a standard practice of search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo, news aggregators and blogs
The word that's particularly funny to me here is references. How in the world is one to use AP as a reference as anyone might use any journal, book, or news source? Those particular elements--headline, title, and link if online source--are necessary to APA or AMA style, or just about any written reference style. I create reference lists all the time for specifically commercial use--advertising pharmaceuticals--and it's all 100% fair use and in fact required by any reputable academic standards, too. It's not giving credit for information that can get you in most trouble! We have to pay for single-use and/or multiple-use due to copyright only when we use reprints or reproduce/adapt figures or tables (and that can usually be gotten around by changing them to some other format, which is not always a good enough option, but sometimes is).
Anyway, I think they're on pretty shaky legal ground on this one. I don't think they can win all the way down to a "link and a headline." Not that they're worth caring about.
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AP, I have to laugh.
Anyone wonder why I am a bit or allot nuts ::I give you my Mother.
A good 30 years ago Mom and dad decided to fly to the Caribian. Now mom is a blue eyed blond who looked 25 years younger then she was.
Up comes some dude that struck up a conversation with my dad but payed more attention to mom. Mom was flattered and got a little silly so when he asked her about her Job, she told him she was a free lance reporter for AP. Funny thing he believed her and out of the blue when they got on the plane they were updated to first class.
It was my Dad that told me that story and he vowed to allways bring mom along to get good seats on a plane.
Thanks for the memory of Mom and her most interesting life.
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there is always alternatives to AP like reuters. also lots of citizen journalism going on.
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:yawn:
They throw a public temper tantrum every other year it seems on this topic. Curiously though they only seem to go after conservative leaning websites that are quoting their articles.
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So the AP wants to charge people for posting unpaid propaganda?
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So the AP wants to charge people for posting unpaid propaganda?
Ive given this some thought -- Its a strange thing - all of these news outlets suddenly aren't interested in 'free press' - exposure to a wider audience, etc..
It doesn't make sense does it ?
UNLESS one considers what happens at websites like this one, where the topic is posted, then editorialized and dissected in an environment that the publisher can't control.
News is no longer about delivering the four 'Ws' - Who, What, Where and When - its about steering opinion. And that become far more difficult where there are unauthorized opinions regurgitated by search engines, tying the original story and inappropriate thinking together.
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UNLESS one considers what happens at websites like this one, where the topic is posted, then editorialized and dissected in an environment that the publisher can't control.
News is no longer about delivering the four 'Ws' - Who, What, Where and When - its about steering opinion. And that become far more difficult where there are unauthorized opinions regurgitated by search engines, tying the original story and inappropriate thinking together.
You would be correct.
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You would be correct.
It's sad isn't it ? Really - What I posted above should be considered tin-foil kookery, but its not. And thats just wrong.
I would go so far as to label it wrongiddy-wrong.
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Associated Press Chairman Signs Up For Righthaven, Begins Suing Bloggers
Remember back when the Associated Press threatened bloggers for quoting snippets of AP articles? Is the organization considering dipping its toes in the Righthaven waters? The Las Vegas Sun reports that Righthaven has signed up Media News as a client and has sued a blogger on behalf of the Denver Post, after the blogger apparently reposted a Denver Post column by Mike Rosen (with a link and credit).
techdirt (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101207/00504912153/associated-press-chairman-signs-up-righthaven-begins-suing-bloggers.shtml)
Please be careful when linking to AP stories.
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techdirt (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101207/00504912153/associated-press-chairman-signs-up-righthaven-begins-suing-bloggers.shtml)
Please be careful when linking to AP stories.
Thanks for the heads up! I may stop posting AP stories period.
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I'll post a headline from them, but that's about it. I've been tyring to avoid using them as a source if I can help it.
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Sounds like the Drive by media is not liking that conservatives are using their news stories against them.
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Found it:
http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=13296
When I was a mod at CU, I was in constant battle with Megimoo. He regularly posted AP stuff and after warnings that he ignored I just deleted them. He use to get pretty upset but hey, the rules are the rules.
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So what is AP gonna do when everyone in the world stops reading their stories? ::)
That is already SOP for myself. I do encourage them to alienate what is left of their audience as even the commies get pissed off at being sued for fair use of an article. AP has obviously not learned anything from the Righthaven debacle.
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So what is AP gonna do when everyone in the world stops reading their stories? ::)
My memories tell me that the world SENT local news stories to AP and then they distributed via teletype to ALL channels of news. Am I dis-remembering? They can't possibly have AP news folks in every locale in the world. I call BS on their claims to own every news story in the world. :hammer:
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I'll cite any source on the web for purposes of journalism and criticism, staying within the legal confines of fair use doctrine that protects my right to do just that. I've seen this happen again and again over the past 18 years, and more often than not it's politically driven. Anytime a media dinosaur like AP threatens to crush right-of-center entities under their progressive jackboots, they count on people running scared. They threaten lawsuits that have no legal basis in fact, while trashing our first amendment rights in the process. You can cite any article you find on the web, so long as you use 10% or less of that article in way of introduction, and so long as you provide a link to the legal copyright holder's website where the article appears. That's what you can do legally, and ***k AP if they don't like it.
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My memories tell me that the world SENT local news stories to AP and then they distributed via teletype to ALL channels of news. Am I dis-remembering? They can't possibly have AP news folks in every locale in the world. I call BS on their claims to own every news story in the world. :hammer:
I don't think so (that your remembrance is incorrect), JLO. There were 2 organizations; Associated Press & United Press International. Both were pretty big. I don't remember seeing UPI lately. Maybe AP bought them out.
Back in the late 80s or early 90s, it became common practice that if Hearst (specifically, grrr) couldn't beat the circulation of other local print media, they just bought them out & put all their garbage in place of the better publication.
Journalism is a dirty business.