The verdict is in

[Mary Ann]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215356014

Ms. Toad (26,302 posts)


Chauvin verdict is in

It will be read at 5 PM (ET) tonight.

We'll know soon enough what it is. Brought it over for this:

Botany (59,213 posts)

11. Firing Squad @ Dawn

Just an idea. I want to see him dragged out and tied to a post .... just to see the fear on his face. And then put into prison for life.

Yeah. That Constitutional thing about "cruel and unusual punishment" is so passe.

[Ralph Wiggum]

How much will be looted and burned tonight is the overriding question.  When sports teams win a championship, many of their home cities are en fuego.  Saw it with the Chicago Bulls and the Dallas Cowboys (both obviously long ago).

[Drafe Hoblin]

The verdict was reached too fast. 

So we'll see what happens from here.

[Mary Ann]

Guilty on all counts. It was hard to watch that video, and NOT think Chauvin had done something wrong. Don't know that it amounted to murder, though.

There is much I don't understand, like, why was George Floyd's brother allowed to testify? He wasn't there, wasn't a witness to any of it. And, if he could be called to testify, why couldn't the woman whose pregnant belly GF held a gun to? I wonder how she felt about all of this.

[ADsOutburst]

Guilty on all counts. It was hard to watch that video, and NOT think Chauvin had done something wrong. Don't know that it amounted to murder, though.

There is much I don't understand, like, why was George Floyd's brother allowed to testify? He wasn't there, wasn't a witness to any of it. And, if he could be called to testify, why couldn't the woman whose pregnant belly GF held a gun to? I wonder how she felt about all of this.

The judge was very favorable to the prosecution; didn't allow the trial to be moved, allowed testimony from witnesses whose testimony didn't speak to Chauvin's guilt or innocence, didn't sequester the jury until this week, didn't grant a mistrial even when the prosecution introduced evidence that he had forbidden, and so on.

[Ralph Wiggum]

The verdict was reached too fast. 

So we'll see what happens from here.

The left wing victory laps and media above the desk high fives are already underway I assume.

[Texacon]

I’m reserving judgment until I see how people behave tonight. If they still burn the town down then this meant nothing for anyone.

KC

[DLR Pyro]

when will the appeal because of mad maxine be filed?

[Zathras]

How much you want to bet the jury voted guilty on all counts because, if they acquitted Chauvin on any of the charges, the racists of BLM and the fascists of Antifa go on a looting and arson spree in protest. Another factor is the jurors were afraid of the real possibility of being doxxed and voted the way they did to protect themselves and their families.

Something else has me stumped.  How can they vote guilty on all three crimes? It's either 2nd Degree Murder, 3rd  Degree Murder or Involuntary Manslaughter, not all of the above.

[DLR Pyro]

How much you want to bet the jury voted guilty on all counts because, if they acquitted Chauvin on any of the charges, the racists of BLM and the fascists of Antifa go on a looting and arson spree in protest. Another factor is the jurors were afraid of the real possibility of being doxxed and voted the way they did to protect themselves and their families.

blm would loot and riot either way the verdict went.  Either in celebration or retaliation.

This is the new form of Justice in Beijing biden's America

I wouldn't be surprised if alot if good COPS throw in the towel knowing that they have targets on their backs

[Mary Ann]

Something else has me stumped.  How can they vote guilty on all three crimes? It's either 2nd Degree Murder, 3rd  Degree Murder or Involuntary Manslaughter, not all of the above.

DH asked the same question. Seems like it should be only one verdict.

[ADsOutburst]

DH asked the same question. Seems like it should be only one verdict.

I've heard this issue discussed in some YouTube livestreams. Minnesota laws appear to be problematic in this regard. Thus, Chauvin was found guilty of both 'unintentional murder' and manslaughter.

[DUmpDiver]

How much you want to bet the jury voted guilty on all counts because, if they acquitted Chauvin on any of the charges, the racists of BLM and the fascists of Antifa go on a looting and arson spree in protest. Another factor is the jurors were afraid of the real possibility of being doxxed and voted the way they did to protect themselves and their families.

Something else has me stumped.  How can they vote guilty on all three crimes? It's either 2nd Degree Murder, 3rd  Degree Murder or Involuntary Manslaughter, not all of the above.

IMHO fear of doxxing is what really drove the verdict.  And the best way to not get doxxed was to vote guilty on all three charges.

[thundley4]

IMHO fear of doxxing is what really drove the verdict.  And the best way to not get doxxed was to vote guilty on all three charges.

The media was provided pretty detailed profiles of the jury members. It probably wouldn't have been too difficult to find out their names.

[BamaMoose]

I'm sure there will be an appeal.  Too many issues both inside and outside the courtroom to ignore.  But, I'll admit that I feel he should be found guilty of some level of manslaughter.  At some point he should have realized that Floyd was no longer resisting and taken alternative action.  Whether or not Floyd was going to die because of the drugs in his system, Chauvin became a contributing factor.  I don't believe he intended to harm Floyd, he was just trying to restrain Floyd when he started flipping out.  Unfortunately, Chauvin didn't disengage when it became obvious that Floyd was in respiratory distress.  I feel bad for everyone involved because I don't believe the final outcome will serve justice to Floyd, Chauvin or any other participants.

[DLR Pyro]

IMHO fear of doxxing is what really drove the verdict.  And the best way to not get doxxed was to vote guilty on all three charges.

will this start a new precedence in American justice now?  Hoot and hollar about how the jury is supposed to act with the implied threat of violence against the jurors and society in whole if the verdict doesn't meet the requirements of the angry mob?

[I_B_Perky]

Something else has me stumped.  How can they vote guilty on all three crimes? It's either 2nd Degree Murder, 3rd  Degree Murder or Involuntary Manslaughter, not all of the above.

I wondered the same thing. Typically the prosecution will put multiple counts out there so if it doesn't get the verdict on the top count maybe it will get one on the lesser counts.  Seems to me like that would be double jeopardy.

Something going on here... and I am not sure what it is.  If I had to speculate I would say the judge sentences the max, then 2 or 3 years down the road the conviction gets thrown out on appeal after all the hype has gone down and he gets quietly paroled.

One thing I am sure of... cops will no longer try to control crazy out of control folks and let them run off.  Ain't worth going to prison over some hyped up asswipe when he goes nuts and dies when you try to restrain him.

[ADsOutburst]

will this start a new precedence in American justice now?  Hoot and hollar about how the jury is supposed to act with the implied threat of violence against the jurors and society in whole if the verdict doesn't meet the requirements of the angry mob?

I'm hoping against hope that the Rittenhouse case will turn out differently, due to it not getting as much attention as the Floyd case, the decedents having been engaged in violence at the time, and maybe other factors, but I'm not optimistic.