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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #150 on: June 30, 2012, 10:04:25 AM »
The more and more I think about this, the more and more I hope this was done by Justice Roberts to keep Obama from getting re-elected. If not, then he can **** OFF!

I'm trying to tell myself that too.  But, I feel I might be lying.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #151 on: June 30, 2012, 11:25:13 AM »
No really,  I'm serial.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #152 on: July 04, 2012, 06:42:30 AM »
I'm trying to tell myself that too.  But, I feel I might be lying.

I think Kyle might be onto something in his line of reasoning.  Now that the SCOTUS has called it a 'tax,' even though the Oministration and Romney's aides do not, the Democrats own it lock, stock, and barrel.  I've heard Oministration shills say that "the more the American people know about this, the more they will like it," and they must be on LSD or 'bath salts' to be able to say that with a straight face.  A majority of the American voting public does not like this, and will vote accordingly in November.  Seniors will face the 'death panels,' and they are the most reliable voting bloc there is.  Guess what?  Yes, Mitch McConnell said it would be 'difficult' to repeal the Obamatax, but it is possible.  We need to work our collective fourth points' of contact off to make the political conditions ideal for said repeal, which means that we need to work to elect Conservatives (almost entirely Republican) en masse this November. 
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #153 on: July 04, 2012, 08:11:38 AM »
I think Kyle might be onto something in his line of reasoning.  Now that the SCOTUS has called it a 'tax,' even though the Oministration and Romney's aides do not, the Democrats own it lock, stock, and barrel.  I've heard Oministration shills say that "the more the American people know about this, the more they will like it," and they must be on LSD or 'bath salts' to be able to say that with a straight face.  A majority of the American voting public does not like this, and will vote accordingly in November.  Seniors will face the 'death panels,' and they are the most reliable voting bloc there is.  Guess what?  Yes, Mitch McConnell said it would be 'difficult' to repeal the Obamatax, but it is possible.  We need to work our collective fourth points' of contact off to make the political conditions ideal for said repeal, which means that we need to work to elect Conservatives (almost entirely Republican) en masse this November. 

I disagree that Obamacare will be difficult to repeal. Repubs just need to pick up 6 or 7 Senate seats and pass it under reconciliation with 51 votes like the Democrats did. Or, Romney can tell business that he will not enforce the mandatory provision. Executive orders work both ways. Plus, any funding to implement Obamacare can be cut off by the House.

RINO's like Boehner, McConnell and Roberts do not want to seem partisan. That kind of thinking will not get the job done.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #154 on: July 04, 2012, 09:18:37 AM »
I disagree that Obamacare will be difficult to repeal. Repubs just need to pick up 6 or 7 Senate seats and pass it under reconciliation with 51 votes like the Democrats did. Or, Romney can tell business that he will not enforce the mandatory provision. Executive orders work both ways. Plus, any funding to implement Obamacare can be cut off by the House.

RINO's like Boehner, McConnell and Roberts do not want to seem partisan. That kind of thinking will not get the job done.

As I recall, there was a big kerflufle at the time it passed that the dems. allocated funding 10 yrs. out.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #155 on: July 04, 2012, 09:51:00 AM »
As I recall, there was a big kerflufle at the time it passed that the dems. allocated funding 10 yrs. out.

You got me on that one. However, Congress holds the pursestrings and if they want to defund a program, I would think that they could. Let the media and liberals raise hell. I don't care. Pisslosi said it is going to be my way or the highway. I hope the wimps in the Repub party remember that but I doubt it.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #156 on: July 04, 2012, 11:14:54 AM »
Yep, congress does have the power to cut off the Obamacare funding. Which is what I think they might do if they can't get it repealed.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2012, 01:04:23 PM »
Only two more years and we will have government-run health care!!!!!

Personally, I do not believe allowing our government, who has us almost sixteen trillion in the hole, running our health care industry is remotely a good idea.

Then again, I am for less government, not more.

This is a huge victory for most Democrats who want more government.

Personally I would have preferred the government to fix the problem as opposed to shoving everyone aside and going hands-on by now running the health care system. And that problem lies with the health insurance companies.

You see, the free market works best when you have many companies competing against one another. When that occurs, products and services are cheaper and of higher quality. When there are only a handful of competitors, those said products and services have a tendency to suffer from poor quality and be more expensive.

Enter the health insurance industry.

In our current health insurance industry, there are very few competitors, and one of the major reasons the health care industry is in such shambles. Because of a lack of competition, they are allowed to get away with charging outrageous prices and engage in other slimy and shady practices.

And because the insurance companies charge so much, they end up making health insurance difficult for citizens and small businesses to afford. So you wind up having many people uninsured. But those uninsured still get sick and need to occasionally go to the hospital. What happens then? We treat them and send them home with a bill they will never be able to repay. And in turn, this causes the price of health insurance to climb higher and higher, which in turn causes fewer and fewer people to afford health insurance.

It is a vicious cycle that only intensifies and gradually becomes worse.

So what does Obama do? Does he fix the specific problem? Does he find a way to stop insurance companies from charging rates and fees most Americans cannot afford?

Nope. He merely decides the best course of action is for the government, who is about as responsible as Lindsay Lohan on a weekend bender, to run our nation's health care system.

This is bad, bad, bad, ladies and gentlemen. Especially in our current medical climate where there are a shortage of doctors in many fields in this country. With the number of insured citizens suddenly skyrocketing, they will be swamped beyond belief. You will also find this will make the patient/doctor relationship far more distant and strained, as well as create a nightmare waiting list for simple operations and procedures. One thing you will see is many of the doctors will simply leave for the private sector to get away with the chaos of the government running the health care show. You see this quite a bit in Britain. Many of the doctors there merely deal in private as opposed to dealing with the nightmare of the dreaded government/insurance company duo.

I am highly disappointed in Obama for choosing to have the government take over and run the health care industry as opposed to fixing the actual problem, which is the insurance companies.

One thing is for certain; this may wind up helping Romney. The vast majority of people in this country were not in favor of the Supreme Court ruling and do not want Obamacare to see the light of day. Romney has already jumped on this bandwagon and promised to repeal it if he becomes president. I am sure many independents and moderates who oppose Obamacare will vote for Romney in hopes he does indeed repeal the ACA. I just hope those people realize Romney cannot repeal Obamacare if he does not have a Republican-majority Senate.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #158 on: July 06, 2012, 01:10:00 PM »
Only two more years and we will have government-run health care!!!!!

Personally, I do not believe allowing our government, who has us almost sixteen trillion in the hole, running our health care industry is remotely a good idea.

Then again, I am for less government, not more.

This is a huge victory for most Democrats who want more government.

Personally I would have preferred the government to fix the problem as opposed to shoving everyone aside and going hands-on by now running the health care system. And that problem lies with the health insurance companies.

You see, the free market works best when you have many companies competing against one another. When that occurs, products and services are cheaper and of higher quality. When there are only a handful of competitors, those said products and services have a tendency to suffer from poor quality and be more expensive.

Enter the health insurance industry.

In our current health insurance industry, there are very few competitors, and one of the major reasons the health care industry is in such shambles. Because of a lack of competition, they are allowed to get away with charging outrageous prices and engage in other slimy and shady practices.

And because the insurance companies charge so much, they end up making health insurance difficult for citizens and small businesses to afford. So you wind up having many people uninsured. But those uninsured still get sick and need to occasionally go to the hospital. What happens then? We treat them and send them home with a bill they will never be able to repay. And in turn, this causes the price of health insurance to climb higher and higher, which in turn causes fewer and fewer people to afford health insurance.

It is a vicious cycle that only intensifies and gradually becomes worse.

So what does Obama do? Does he fix the specific problem? Does he find a way to stop insurance companies from charging rates and fees most Americans cannot afford?

Nope. He merely decides the best course of action is for the government, who is about as responsible as Lindsay Lohan on a weekend bender, to run our nation's health care system.

This is bad, bad, bad, ladies and gentlemen. Especially in our current medical climate where there are a shortage of doctors in many fields in this country. With the number of insured citizens suddenly skyrocketing, they will be swamped beyond belief. You will also find this will make the patient/doctor relationship far more distant and strained, as well as create a nightmare waiting list for simple operations and procedures. One thing you will see is many of the doctors will simply leave for the private sector to get away with the chaos of the government running the health care show. You see this quite a bit in Britain. Many of the doctors there merely deal in private as opposed to dealing with the nightmare of the dreaded government/insurance company duo.

I am highly disappointed in Obama for choosing to have the government take over and run the health care industry as opposed to fixing the actual problem, which is the insurance companies.

One thing is for certain; this may wind up helping Romney. The vast majority of people in this country were not in favor of the Supreme Court ruling and do not want Obamacare to see the light of day. Romney has already jumped on this bandwagon and promised to repeal it if he becomes president. I am sure many independents and moderates who oppose Obamacare will vote for Romney in hopes he does indeed repeal the ACA. I just hope those people realize Romney cannot repeal Obamacare if he does not have a Republican-majority Senate.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #159 on: July 06, 2012, 01:24:14 PM »
Ok, who gave Vesta a sock puppet to play with?

Can't be Vesta.  Punctuation and spelling are a lot better than hers'.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #160 on: July 06, 2012, 01:28:36 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #161 on: July 06, 2012, 01:29:55 PM »
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« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2012, 01:30:09 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2012, 01:31:33 PM »
Do I receive some form of patch for that honor?
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« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2012, 02:36:09 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #165 on: July 06, 2012, 03:14:28 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2012, 11:47:20 AM »
Paul Ryan: "We win, we repeal". http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/05/Paul-Ryan-We-Win-We-Repeal
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2012, 07:13:32 PM »
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But those uninsured still get sick and need to occasionally go to the hospital. What happens then? We treat them and send them home with a bill they will never be able to repay. And in turn, this causes the price of health insurance to climb higher and higher, which in turn causes fewer and fewer people to afford health insurance.

Close but not quite.  It causes the cost of health CARE to go up, not health care INSURANCE.

Although one can reasonably argue that the higher the cost of health care, the higher health care insurance rates may eventually go up.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #169 on: July 14, 2012, 05:34:14 PM »
If this law is so great that our FEDERAL OVER LORDS gave us how come they don't have to participate in it, & how come there is over 700 waivers to opt out of This mess. :mad: :mad:

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #170 on: July 16, 2012, 06:35:34 AM »
You know, for all the taxes/penalties/fines buried in the Obamacare bill, I have never seen any mention of where one dime of all that new government money was going to purchase/pay for any healthcare.
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