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Title: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
As some might know, I'm heir to all the family archives, being the last one, and I've been spending quite a bit of time, when not working in real life or hanging around conservativecave on the internet, sorting through pictures and papers and things, going back to the 1720s, as much of it will eventually devolve onto the nephews (but I hope not for a very long time yet), who know less than I do.

I'm always coming across photographs with motor vehicles in them, all of them before my own time.

I never paid much attention to cars--really, no, I didn't or don't--interested in them only insofar as all four wheels turn the same direction. 

When I lived in Lincoln, I used to live in rich people's houses when they went on extended trips to here or there--hiring me was cheaper than putting the dog and the cat into a kennel--and I had use-of-the-automobile privileges.  Some of these people had five or six cars.

I always just took the first one handy, whereas friends used to insist, "But how about taking the Porsche instead?" or "Haven't you tried the Peugeot yet?" or "Oh, no, let's take the Lamborghini instead" or ad nauseam.  Sometimes we did, but really I always preferred to simply take the first car in the driveway or garage, no matter what it was.

To me, a car is a car is a car is a car.  Just so all four wheels turn the same direction.

So I'm serious here; I don't pay attention.

Anyway, can anyone illuminate me on identifying any of the following (and there's probably going to be a whole lot more photographs of family vehicles, posted as I find them)?

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1927.jpg)

From 1927, Clarion County, Pennsylvania. 

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1939.jpg)

From 1939 (I guess), Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/jg1943.jpg)

I know, I know; a tractor, but that's a motor vehicle.  From, I guess, 1943, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/10019.jpg)

Not a motor vehicle, but I'm curious.  From 1944, New York City; that seems too fancy of a uniform for the soldier taking the photograph.  An officer, perhaps?  What service?

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/April1949.jpg)

From 1949, North Platte, Nebraska; anybody know what kind of airplane that was?

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/July1951weirdcar.jpg)

Notation says "July 1951;" I'm guessing the Black Hills of South Dakota.

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/js1951.jpg)

Notation says "August 1951," and it's in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/oddcar.jpg)

I'm guessing 1952, known for sure to be in the Black Hills of South Dakota.

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1958visit2.jpg)

Now, we're getting nearer my time; the motor vehicle my parents had when I was born.

Can anybody identify any of these motor vehicles?  Thanks.....and there'll be more.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 06:18:48 PM
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/July1951weirdcar.jpg)

Notation says "July 1951;" I'm guessing the Black Hills of South Dakota.
I'm not sure what model car that is, but car makers used to make 'business/salesman' specials... they were two-door coupes with an extra-large trunk in the place of a second pair of doors.  Chrysler, Ford, and Chevrolet all had their versions.

Those goofy rear windows make me think 'Studebaker', though.

edit...
Yep, 1949 Studebaker Starlight Coupe
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/00022799_Studebaker_Starlight.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 06:52:38 PM
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/oddcar.jpg)

I'm guessing 1952, known for sure to be in the Black Hills of South Dakota.

Looks like a 1951 Nash model.  It's definitely not one of the Big Three since those were all pretty distinctive and are well-known.  I guess your parents had a thing for oddball cars.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/nash_1951_red_00.jpg)

Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/js1951.jpg)

Notation says "August 1951," and it's in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.
Easy enough... a 1949 Studebaker Champion.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/a_112907_Studbker02.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 06:59:54 PM
Thank you thus far, chris_.

After I was born, the parents bought strictly American Motors, clear up until the end of their lives.

I have no idea why; perhaps they were friends of that particular dealer in town.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:02:46 PM
Now you've just gone and made everything easier. :)

American Motors has a very long and convoluted history, from the Nash and Studebaker mergers, Kaiser-Frazer, and Willys, to finally being bought by Chrysler.  It's an interesting story.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 07:04:08 PM
American Motors has a very long and convoluted history, from the Nash and Studebaker mergers, Kaiser-Frazer, and Willys, to finally being bought by Chrysler.  It's an interesting story.

Yeah, it was George Romney's company, I guess, American Motors.

It always ran fourth in the Big Three.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:05:58 PM
The white car with the red top... I have it on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't place it.  I'll have to track it down.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:14:05 PM
Old-car sites like this are great for research and filling up the empty noggin with useless images and datum.

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
The creme car with the red top is a 1953 Packard Mayfair.  I think.  


(http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/uploads/photos/192.jpg)

I cheated by using my 70-year old father.  :-)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 07:34:05 PM
The airplane is a Douglas DC-3 

(http://www.modelairplanefactory.com/images/medium/KDC3UAT_m.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 07:39:29 PM
The airplane is a Douglas DC-3 

(http://www.modelairplanefactory.com/images/medium/KDC3UAT_m.jpg)

You know, I've always wanted to ride in one of those, a prop-job.

Alas, all I've ever ridden in were jets.  One doesn't even know one's up in the air.

<<has never even been through an air-pocket, not even once.

I've always dreamed about riding over the Atlantic in a Constellation (I think that's the right name) from the early 1950s, or one of those Pan Am "clippers" from just before the second world war.  Either one would be a trip.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:41:57 PM
You know, I've always wanted to ride in one of those, a prop-job.
I rode in one.  God Almighty, it was loud.  My head was numb by the time I got off the plane.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Lacarnut on July 08, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
Great pictures Frank. I love old cars. My dad had a 54 Olds Super 88. I used to drag race all the 54 and 55 Chevy's in town. My parents could not figure out how tires were needed after the new car was only 6 months old. I am an old fart but I still like to floor it occasionally & get it up in the 3 digit mark.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 07:44:54 PM
I think the tractor is a Farmall Super A. 

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/ignitethefire65/FARMALL.jpg)


Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 07:53:05 PM
1936 Chrysler C-7 Touring

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1939.jpg)

(http://auto.ocregister.com/files/2010/01/1936-chrysler-airstream.jpg)

Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:53:32 PM
1936 Chrysler C-7 Touring

(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1939.jpg)

(http://auto.ocregister.com/files/2010/01/1936-chrysler-airstream.jpg)
Classy.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 07:55:34 PM
Classy.

Whoa.

Would that have been an expensive vehicle for its time?

That part of the family wasn't really prosperous.  They did okay--raised some great Republicans and conservatives--but they weren't all that affluent.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/1927.jpg)

From 1927, Clarion County, Pennsylvania.
Got to be a Model T.  Nothing else looks like it.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/IMG_0167.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 07:58:03 PM
Whoa.

Would that have been an expensive vehicle for its time?

That part of the family wasn't really prosperous.  They did okay--raised some great Republicans and conservatives--but they weren't all that affluent.
Early Chryslers were considered very plush and upper-class at the time, on par with Buick. 

Walter Chrysler led a very interesting life.  This book (http://www.amazon.com/Chrysler-Automotive-Genius-History-Personalities/dp/0195147057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310173170&sr=1-1-spell) is a must-read for anyone who enjoys cars.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
Got to be a Model T.  Nothing else looks like it.

Man, what I wouldn't give, to have that in mint condition.

That was my paternal grandfather's vehicle.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:01:48 PM
1927 was the last year for the T.  The Model A was unveiled that year to replace it.

Another good website --> http://www.365daysofa.com/
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:03:13 PM
Got to be a Model T.  Nothing else looks like it.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/IMG_0167.jpg)

You grabbed a later Model T.  The one in that picture is a little earlier, like this one:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1321/1268634242_6c3e8ab302.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:04:14 PM
I knew some concours weenie was going to come along and point out the spare tire was pointing in the wrong direction. :-)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:09:16 PM
Whoa.

Would that have been an expensive vehicle for its time?

That part of the family wasn't really prosperous.  They did okay--raised some great Republicans and conservatives--but they weren't all that affluent.

Probably in the neighborhood of $1100 back in the day, or roughly double the cost of a typical Ford or Chevrolet.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:10:39 PM
I knew some concours weenie was going to come along and point out the spare tire was pointing in the wrong direction. :-)

Somebody had to do it.   :tongue:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on July 08, 2011, 08:10:57 PM
You know, I've always wanted to ride in one of those, a prop-job.

Alas, all I've ever ridden in were jets.  One doesn't even know one's up in the air.

<<has never even been through an air-pocket, not even once.

I've always dreamed about riding over the Atlantic in a Constellation (I think that's the right name) from the early 1950s, or one of those Pan Am "clippers" from just before the second world war.  Either one would be a trip.
Franksolich would love a flight in a light aircraft. You are absolutely right about the jet airliners. It's the difference between riding in an open top two seat British sports coupe and schlepping along on a city bus, no comparison.
The first time I ever flew was in a Cessna 150 when I was 9, I didn't want it to end. A plane like that is so small all one has to do is slightly lean left or right to have a great view either way. Nothing like flying coach on a 747 stuck for endless hours between a fat guy with rancid B.O. on one side and a DUmmy with an epic life story on the other. They don't even give you peanuts anymore! (but you do get a free colonoscopy). I once had the great fortune to score a ride in a Stearman biplane over Niagara Falls too. I probably had that "just lost my virginity" look on my face for a week! Being a helo mech in the Marines I logged about 1700 hours on Hueys, nothing like it. Sitting on the deck in the crew cabin with the doors wide open and your feet out on the skids is the greatest ride on the planet (all over the Hawai'ian Islands no less).
Franksolich should most definitely head down to his local airstrip and go flying in something small. It is surprisingly cheap and you don't have to commit to anything with an introductory training flight.

http://www.pilotjourney.com/pstore/buy-certificate.php

If you go down to talk with the folks at your local field and explain you just want the experience of going up in a light aircraft once I'm sure they will accommodate you.  :)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 08:12:58 PM
Probably in the neighborhood of $1100 back in the day, or roughly double the cost of a typical Ford or Chevrolet.

The father was an engineer--civil engineer, not locomotive engineer--for a coal-mining company, and I suppose he made good money as compared with what the miners made, but he had an enormous family.....but admittedly, 1938-1939 was when the older ones had grown and moved on.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:15:57 PM
1936 Chrysler C-7 Touring

(http://auto.ocregister.com/files/2010/01/1936-chrysler-airstream.jpg)
Many years ago, Cadillac had a sister division at General Motors called LaSalle, similar to the way the Japanese have set up Nissan/Infiniti and Toyota/Lexus.  The LaSalle was intended to compete down-market from Cadillac (this was at the same time Lincoln was created and run by Edsel Ford).

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/RNal38Las.jpg)

The Crysler's big nose reminded of the LaSalle.  I bet if you dig up a picture of a contemporary Lincoln Zephyr, it would look much the same.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:18:49 PM
The father was an engineer--civil engineer, not locomotive engineer--for a coal-mining company, and I suppose he made good money as compared with what the miners made, but he had an enormous family.....but admittedly, 1938-1939 was when the older ones had grown and moved on.

My grandfather was a coal miner in the Pennsylvania during that time.  I'm not sure how much he made in the 1930's, but we have some of his pay stubs and tax returns from the mid 1940's.  I think he was bringing in ~$6500-7000 a year.  His real payoff was dying in his 50's from black lung.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 08:19:10 PM

Just as with airplanes, I feel the same way with automobiles.

If the road's rough, I want to know the road's rough.

It makes one more aware of the real conditions of the road, and because one then handles the vehicle differently (knowing the road is rough), it saves wear-and-tear on the automobile itself.

If the road's rough, I don't mind a rough ride; it's reality.

Ditto for flying.  

I assume that even though I've been on rough stormy seas (the North Sea in winter a few times), I've never been sea-sick, and so I think riding in a bouncing airplane wouldn't upset the gastric juices either.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:26:53 PM
Quote
I bet if you dig up a picture of a contemporary Lincoln Zephyr,

Oh, buddy.  One of my favorites.  It is a privilege to dig one up. 

(http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/classic/1938_Lincoln_Zephyr_V_12_Coupe.jpg)


The Street Machine Nationals are held in my town every year.  Every year, somebody drives a mulberry colored Zephyr.  Every year, that is the only car that I am anxiously looking for, getting my panties all up in a wad, until I spot it.  I have a picture somewhere of where it drove right in front of my home, and I took a picture of it from my porch.  My home is on one of the main drags that the drivers use to go between the fairgrounds and the areas of town that they cruise.  For a couple of days a year, most of what drives by is stuff that most people only see very rarely.   

Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 08:29:43 PM
You know, some of these photographs show cars where the tires are half or two-thirds covered.

Didn't that make tire-changing a pain?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
Fender skirts are removable.  They look nice, but they're probably more trouble than they're worth.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:36:49 PM
Fender skirts are removable.  They look nice, but they're probably more trouble than they're worth.

Isadora Duncan would probably disagree with you.  :-)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 08, 2011, 08:37:12 PM
The white car with the red top... I have it on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't place it.  I'll have to track it down.

Looks like a 1954 Mercury.

I believe the commercial airplane is a DC-3.

The 2nd photo looks like a late 1930s 4-Holer Buick.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 08:40:57 PM
Looks like a 1954 Mercury.

But Mercury was Ford, sir, and the family only ever owned cars made by companies that ultimately formed American Motors (as far as I know).  In fact, I know my father and the local Ford dealer didn't get along too well when I was growing up.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 08, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
The Caddy-LaSalle transmission was favored by hot rodders back in the 1950s.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 08, 2011, 08:43:16 PM
But Mercury was Ford, sir, and the family only ever owned cars made by companies that ultimately formed American Motors (as far as I know).  In fact, I know my father and the local Ford dealer didn't get along too well when I was growing up.

My first real car was a 1954 Mercury; the tail lights really look like that Mercs's.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
Looks like a 1954 Mercury.

I believe the commercial airplane is a DC-3.

The 2nd photo looks like a late 1930s 4-Holer Buick.

You might want to hop back up the thread.  I think the only thing we don't have nailed down is the exact model of the Farmall, and the year of the Model T.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:46:10 PM
Yeah, it was George Romney's company, I guess, American Motors.

It always ran fourth in the Big Three.

George Romney ran American Motors until he was elected governor of Michigan.  The guy that replaced him at AMC didn't do such a good job.  Romney had carved out a niche for AMC by focusing on small, economical cars and did a good job of it.  Roy Abernathy tried to compete with the Big Three on their own ground and failed.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:47:19 PM
George Romney ran American Motors until he was elected governor of Michigan.  The guy that replaced him at AMC didn't do such a good job.  Romney had carved out a niche for AMC by focusing on small, economical cars and did a good job of it.  Roy Abernathy tried to compete with the Big Three on their own ground and failed.

Didn't AMC have a car that used an engine that was comprised of welded together sheet metal?  I'm too lazy to look.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
Didn't AMC have a car that used an engine that was comprised of welded together sheet metal?  I'm too lazy to look.

Not to my knowledge.  Maybe you're thinking of a Trabant or something from Hindustan Motors?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 08:50:27 PM
Not to my knowledge.  Maybe you're thinking of a Trabant or something from Hindustan Motors?

Crosley Cobra!  For some reason, I thought it was an AMC something-or-another.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 08:51:21 PM
George Romney ran American Motors until he was elected governor of Michigan.  The guy that replaced him at AMC didn't do such a good job.  Romney had carved out a niche for AMC by focusing on small, economical cars and did a good job of it.  Roy Abernathy tried to compete with the Big Three on their own ground and failed.

I'm hoping to find (tomorrow) photographs of the vehicles the family owned during the 1960s, all of them American Motors.

I don't think it was so much the brand, but more so business associations, that made my parents always choose American Motors.  In small towns where everybody knows everybody else, and a car being the second-largest purchase one could make (after a house), that was an important distinction, where one purchased a car.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
I'm hoping to find (tomorrow) photographs of the vehicles the family owned during the 1960s, all of them American Motors.

I don't think it was so much the brand, but more so business associations, that made my parents always choose American Motors.  In small towns where everybody knows everybody else, and a car being the second-largest purchase one could make (after a house), that was an important distinction, where one purchased a car.
I imagine there may have been some horse-trading going on if your parents ran the hospital.  Maybe the car dealer had some outstanding medical expenses or a large family.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:00:42 PM
I'm hoping to find (tomorrow) photographs of the vehicles the family owned during the 1960s, all of them American Motors.
Now those should be interesting.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
You know, some of these photographs show cars where the tires are half or two-thirds covered.

Didn't that make tire-changing a pain?
On some of these economical-car enthusiast sites, I've seen people create their own body and fender skirts to make their cars more aerodynamic.  Granted most of them look like crap, but fender skirts could make a comeback for the penny pinching crowd.

The Prius has a low skirt-line on the rear wheels.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 08, 2011, 09:04:24 PM
I imagine there may have been some horse-trading going on if your parents ran the hospital.  Maybe the car dealer had some outstanding medical expenses or a large family.

Possibly, because two of the town's three physicians had American Motors vehicles too.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
My insurance agent will give me $50 of free gas for every person I recommended to him.  Money talks.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 09:20:47 PM
My insurance agent will give me $50 of free gas for every person I recommended to him.  Money talks.

That's almost enough gas to fire up a moped, and rev it a few times, before it sputters and wheezes to a halt. 
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
That's almost enough gas to fire up a moped, and rev it a few times, before it sputters and wheezes to a halt. 
It's enough to fill the 12-gallon tank on my Beigemobile and drive for a week and a half.

I used to be able to make it two weeks on a tank, but prices have gone up.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: RightCoast on July 08, 2011, 09:29:57 PM
That's a lot of history there, cool
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
I'm tempted to post what pictures I have.  I have a couple, I just haven't posted them online.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 09:38:07 PM
I'm tempted to post what pictures I have.  I have a couple, I just haven't posted them online.

Pictures of what?  Old cars back in the day?  That would be a fun thread.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 08, 2011, 09:39:34 PM
Pictures of what?  Old cars back in the day?  That would be a fun thread.
I have fambly pictures with cars in them.  My aunt is a giveaway, though... she always bought Buicks.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 08, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
I have fambly pictures with cars in them.  My aunt is a giveaway, though... she always bought Buicks.

I enjoy Buicks.  My grandfather was a new Buick salesman for a spell in the 1950's.  He was one of their best salesman in the state at one point in time.  They gave him some glasses that had the Buick logo on them.  If you post a bunch of Buick pictures, I'll have to dig them out and snap a picture.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2011, 07:39:14 PM
So I only have one picture with a car in it.  It's a 1958 Chevrolet Impala.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/Chevy-1958-impala-2.png)

I'd scan and post it, but my scanner is covered under a mountain of papers and I don't want to cause an avalanche.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 09, 2011, 07:49:57 PM
So I only have one picture with a car in it.  It's a 1958 Chevrolet Impala.

I'd scan and post it, but my scanner is covered under a mountain of papers and I don't want to cause an avalanche.

Chevrolet used that rear end, or something similar with it, clear into the mid-1960s, right?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2011, 07:58:25 PM
Not to my knowledge.  The 1958 Chevrolet was a one-year-only model and Buick/Pontiac had different sheetmetal.

(http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv352/yakdriver/1958%20Impala/TOYS035.jpg)
1958

(http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv267/gkoprowski/1959%20Chevy%20Impala/CIMG4453-1.jpg)
1959

(http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp334/waltonwannabe56/Niftee50ees11-8-08067.jpg)
1960

Can't find anything from '61-'62.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on July 09, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
The blue one's the one I'm thinking of, when referring to the "rear end."

Basically, the tail-lights.  I'm sure those were on Chevrolets into the mid-1960s.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
Chevrolet had a good run with round tail lights until 1965.  I don't know if it was just the styling or some federal regulation, but the 1965 model had square lights.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BEG on July 09, 2011, 08:17:03 PM
I loved this thread.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on July 09, 2011, 08:36:10 PM
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/April1949.jpg)
Quote
From 1949, North Platte, Nebraska; anybody know what kind of airplane that was?

a DC3 all right. might be a conversion from the military C47

of interest to me is the location

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DGeLvDw8I[/youtube]
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 09, 2011, 09:55:18 PM


That is a neat video, namvet.  Makes one proud to be American. :cheersmate:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on July 09, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
You might want to hop back up the thread.  I think the only thing we don't have nailed down is the exact model of the Farmall, and the year of the Model T.
(http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g419/Eferrari/10019.jpg)

The U.S. Army soldier in the picture has one stripe on his sleeve, a Private E-2, if there was such a thing as an E-2 before the reorganization of enlisted ranks in the 50's but a Private nonetheless. Franksolich is right, that's a sharp looking uniform. Might be tailor made which would be unheard of among privates getting $49.00 per month in those days unless his family sprung for it. Judging by the Rollieflex camera in his hands (top of the line) I would say this kid's family had some money.

I'm guessing the tractor is a Farmall Cub, but I could be wrong.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNEn6GvUzFbW_UUfhsdyjTy13Ejgz7NkWyz1G6wlF2mmu-5Sb-Ew)

I don't know about the Model T. Growing up one of my friend's Dad in the neighborhood had a 1927 touring model T convertible. Still has it too. 1927 was the last year of the T and IIRC the last year for wooden spoked wheels. Therefore the black coupe in the color picture with the wire wheels is a model A. Notice the boot in the black & white pic is has a pronounced angle (1924 or older) and the boot on the coupe in the color pic is sloped, no angle.
I think it's a 1924 or older 5 window doctor's coupe model T.

P.S. Franksolich has some awesome Kodachromes! Drool bib req'd.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 09, 2011, 11:18:14 PM
I'm guessing the tractor is a Farmall Cub, but I could be wrong.

P.S. Franksolich has some awesome Kodachromes! Drool bib req'd.

I'll be excited if we get any more threads like this one, from anybody else that has old photos.  I'll see what I can conjure up, but I think most of our stuff is on slides, though.

I'm still curious about that tractor.  I originally looked at the Cub and the Farmall B, but didn't think it was either of them.  The tractor in frank's photograph has more 'open space' behind the engine under the hood of any Cub photograph I could find.  The wheels on the front axle are not like any I found on the Cub, and look like the ones on an A.

From what I found, the B only came with a narrow front axle.  I guess you could have changed that to whatever axle you needed, though.   :confused:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on July 10, 2011, 12:03:22 AM
Hmmm... Don't know too much about tractors. I know the Cub had that offset body though, set to the right and the driver's seat set to the left of the body. All of them that I have seen in person had the wide front end but I found a pic on the innerwebz of a cub with a narrow front end and it has two seats!

(http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/Cubs/Tricycle_Cub/0047.jpg)

I would be interested to see an old photo thread get going here because I have lots of old family photos and a gazillion  more at my folk's. My Dad's mom went to France in 1919 and we have literally shoe boxes full of prints from that trip. I need to spend a little time getting acquainted with my copier/ scanner/ fax/ printer/ omelette maker so I can put those old prints on my 'puter.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Lacarnut on July 10, 2011, 12:23:36 AM
The U.S. Army soldier in the picture has one stripe on his sleeve, a Private E-2, if there was such a thing as an E-2 before the reorganization of enlisted ranks in the 50's but a Private nonetheless. Franksolich is right, that's a sharp looking uniform. Might be tailor made which would be unheard of among privates getting $49.00 per month in those days unless his family sprung for it. Judging by the Rollieflex camera in his hands (top of the line) I would say this kid's family had some money.

In the mid 50's the Army had 3 levels of privates. E-1, E-2 and PFC. A stripe was not earned until you made PFC. My top pay as a PFC was $120 per month in 1957. Beer and a good cheeseburger was two bits on post and cigs were 2 dollars a carton.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 10, 2011, 12:56:14 AM
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My Dad's mom went to France in 1919 and we have literally shoe boxes full of prints from that trip.

I hope you get the time to throw these up on a thread.  Those would be very interesting.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on July 10, 2011, 09:24:42 AM
Hmmm... Don't know too much about tractors. I know the Cub had that offset body though, set to the right and the driver's seat set to the left of the body. All of them that I have seen in person had the wide front end but I found a pic on the innerwebz of a cub with a narrow front end and it has two seats!

(http://gwill.net/Album/Tractors/Farmall/Cubs/Tricycle_Cub/0047.jpg)

I would be interested to see an old photo thread get going here because I have lots of old family photos and a gazillion  more at my folk's. My Dad's mom went to France in 1919 and we have literally shoe boxes full of prints from that trip. I need to spend a little time getting acquainted with my copier/ scanner/ fax/ printer/ omelette maker so I can put those old prints on my 'puter.


I don't know much about em either. could be a cub. but that looks like a Farmall. this one you posted looks restored. never seen a 2 seater before. so I suspect it was an add on

(http://www.chatstractors.com/2010-web/1513-Farmall-Super-M-right-profile.jpg)
note the offset body. I don't understand that at all....1953

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqMOKm4E4PQ8ey+QBOElRbmTBQ~~_12.JPG)
this one has the steering shaft on the left side

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqUOKpoE3wrt)BFUBOFL)Y(eSw~~_3.JPG)

(http://www.chatstractors.com/2008_Farmall/1421-Farmall-SMTA-right-profile.jpg)




Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 10, 2011, 10:38:14 AM
A few years back at the fair when I was hanging around the ancient-gentlemen-with-their-tractors section (my favorite area), there was an old man with a 1919 Fordson.  My brother-in-law and myself stayed and chatted with him for well over an hour about that tractor, and many other that he had used, restored, or owned just to have, during his lifetime.  At some point in time during the tales of his tractors, a two-seater was mentioned.  I don't remember if he bought it that way, or if he made the addition himself. 

I'll have to ask my brother-in-law, and see if he remembers what the explanation was.  I want to say it was to have someone operate a piece of equipment while the driver operated the tractor. 
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on July 10, 2011, 12:01:04 PM
A few years back at the fair when I was hanging around the ancient-gentlemen-with-their-tractors section (my favorite area), there was an old man with a 1919 Fordson.  My brother-in-law and myself stayed and chatted with him for well over an hour about that tractor, and many other that he had used, restored, or owned just to have, during his lifetime.  At some point in time during the tales of his tractors, a two-seater was mentioned.  I don't remember if he bought it that way, or if he made the addition himself. 

I'll have to ask my brother-in-law, and see if he remembers what the explanation was.  I want to say it was to have someone operate a piece of equipment while the driver operated the tractor. 

I'd say the one freeborn put up was pimped out. the farmall's i posted seem larger than his. I ran thru a seach engine "restored cub tractors"  but they all have the wide front wheelbase.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 02:04:46 PM
You want old, huh?

Here's one from my mom's family. That's her father on the right.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Michigan1920-21.jpg)


And here's another with her on a tractor on the farm up in Pierson, MI, from the 1930s.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/Momtractor2.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 10, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
In the mid 50's the Army had 3 levels of privates. E-1, E-2 and PFC. A stripe was not earned until you made PFC. My top pay as a PFC was $120 per month in 1957. Beer and a good cheeseburger was two bits on post and cigs were 2 dollars a carton.

Yes, in the WW2 era unforms, a single stripe was PFC.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
These were the cars my dad owned. He died in 1968.


1949 Dodge
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/49dodge.jpg)

1952 DeSoto

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/52desoto.jpg)

1959 Chevy Impala. His was a 4-door hardtop with the shitty 348 and a Turboglide.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/59impala.jpg)

1963 Olds Convert. His Olds was a metallic blue convert with a white leather interior.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/1963oldsmobile.jpg)

1968 Buick 225. What a hog. A small engine that couldn't power the car to get out of its own way.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/68buick.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: IassaFTots on July 10, 2011, 02:59:57 PM
Aw, this thread got me all sentimental.  My Granddad was a Buick fan.  I think he never bought anything other than a Buick after his last Nash.  My Pappaw was a pilot for TWA, he flew the Connie.  Everytime he took me to the Air and Space Museum we would take time out to make sure and pay the Connie the attention it deserved.  He met Howard Hughes when he was flying a Connie.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 10, 2011, 03:03:08 PM
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1968 Buick 225. What a hog. A small engine that couldn't power the car to get out of its own way.

I like that Electra.  There was a white 1967 around here that I would own if I had the room, and wanted to feed it the gas.  To my knowledge, they had nothing smaller than a 401, all the way up to a 455 available.  I wouldn't call that a small engine.  :-)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 03:07:33 PM
These were my dad's dad's cars, that I know of.

1952 Chrysler.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/1952chrysler.jpg)

1956 Chrysler.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/1956chrysler.jpg)

Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
I like that Electra.  There was a white 1967 around here that I would own if I had the room, and wanted to feed it the gas.  To my knowledge, they had nothing smaller than a 401, all the way up to a 455 available.  I wouldn't call that a small engine.  :-)

I dunno much about it, but the engine was really underpowered. I tried to take my mom up into the foothills south of Tucson and it barely made it.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 03:17:30 PM
Here are some of the ones I had through the years.

1931 Model A Pickup. This photo is just about exactly how mine looked after I restored it, except mine had the 2nd spare tire on the right front fender.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/31modela.jpg)

1954 Mercury.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/1954merc.jpg)

1958 Impala Convert.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/58impala.jpg)

After that it was a 1966 Chevy, then a 1966 Ford LTD, then a 196? Toyota station wagon, then a 1966 Chevette, then a 1968 Chevy station wagon that went everywhere, then a 1968 Ford LTD Country Squire, that also went everywhere but better than the Chevy, and some more.....  ::)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 10, 2011, 03:18:24 PM
I dunno much about it, but the engine was really underpowered. I tried to take my mom up into the foothills south of Tucson and it barely made it.

The interwebs puts the weight of that car north of 4200 pounds.  I don't know if you could get one with a 2-barrel, but I would say one with that configuration in that weight of car would have an adverse effect on acceleration.  

Or, maybe it was because you simply forgot to pull in the anchor before driving off each time.  :popcorn:

That 56 Chrysler-  now that I could have.  :naughty:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 10, 2011, 03:20:16 PM
The interwebs puts the weight of that car north of 4200 pounds.  I don't know if you could get one with a 2-barrel, but I would say one with that configuration in that weight of car would have an adverse effect on acceleration.  

Or, maybe it was because you simply forgot to pull in the anchor before driving off each time.  :popcorn:

That 56 Chrysler-  now that I could have.  :naughty:

The Buick did have a 2-bbl.

My grandad's Chrysler was blue with a white stripe. Good looking car back then.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: BattleHymn on July 10, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
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He met Howard Hughes when he was flying a Connie.
  I didn't realize you were that far along in years, Iassaftots.   :-)





  :old:


Title: Re: car identification
Post by: IassaFTots on July 10, 2011, 03:27:43 PM
  I didn't realize you were that far along in years, Iassaftots.   :-)





  :old:



  My Pappaw was.  Not me.   :-)

I'm immature for my age.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on July 10, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
(http://oi55.tinypic.com/6qur2v.jpg)

a pal of mine I served with in Nam. that's his grand sport. he bought not long after we got home. I think its a 71 or 72. sent this to me last year. he only drives it when the sun shines
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Wineslob on July 11, 2011, 11:53:47 AM

Just as with airplanes, I feel the same way with automobiles.

If the road's rough, I want to know the road's rough.

It makes one more aware of the real conditions of the road, and because one then handles the vehicle differently (knowing the road is rough), it saves wear-and-tear on the automobile itself.

If the road's rough, I don't mind a rough ride; it's reality.

Ditto for flying.  

I assume that even though I've been on rough stormy seas (the North Sea in winter a few times), I've never been sea-sick, and so I think riding in a bouncing airplane wouldn't upset the gastric juices either.


My first car was a 1961 Fiat 1200 Roadster. You DROVE that car. I still miss the damn thing.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on July 11, 2011, 12:54:20 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts8qZqOmNNY[/youtube]
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on July 11, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts8qZqOmNNY[/youtube]
Lee Iacocca scored a bullseye with that one!
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on August 01, 2011, 04:40:28 PM
I knew I had already scanned a copy of this picture.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/Picture002.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on August 01, 2011, 04:41:44 PM
That's a 1957 something, right?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on August 01, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
Going from memory, I thought it was a '57 Impala.  I'll have to look again, because the Chevrolet doesn't look quite right.

The photo is marked "1957" and nothing else.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 01, 2011, 05:06:14 PM
I knew I had already scanned a copy of this picture.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/Picture002.jpg)

57 Ford ??

(http://www.familycar.com/Classics/Images/57FordFarelane500.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on August 01, 2011, 05:07:35 PM
I think you may be right.  I remember her saying she had a Fairlane or Starliner (this was before the compact Falcon-based Fairlane of the 60's), but she was always the type to buy a new car every two years.

That's my aunt in the picture, my dad's older sister.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 01, 2011, 05:07:52 PM
Going from memory, I thought it was a '57 Impala.  I'll have to look again, because the Chevrolet doesn't look quite right.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/Chevy-1958-impala-2.png)

The photo is marked "1957" and nothing else.

58 impala coupe...love those fender skirts. where's the curb feelers ???
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on August 01, 2011, 05:08:46 PM
I'm leaning towards '58 Chevy Impala Sports Coupe.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJ8eyu7Ic7LQf7fqRBB9Vr5IBdeZtNCCV-LfkY33YXPfJIT5_)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS85UtUX2QJTctHZwNg6borphBrZf3lV_5gLt9iHWDB3ZOk2rrRoQ)

'58 Chevy Bel Aire was a bit different

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROQuKJiyVsQQQngSP-LNdQixmQp9pgA_M9Fef3fEdFQFwAdBoA)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: franksolich on August 01, 2011, 05:11:39 PM
I'm going with namvet on this; a Ford.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on August 01, 2011, 05:21:11 PM
My bad. I thought you guys were talking Chevies, Namvet is dead on. Definitely a Ford.

My neighbor has one of these in the prettiest light yellow.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHyDgQlGsOarugF9raWylbxW81BzQLnJE__aTsHY2eEyST0oQeHg)

Anybody care to venture a guess on make and year?

Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 01, 2011, 05:25:27 PM
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/6gzd5u.jpg)


65 GTO. better N sex
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 01, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
My bad. I thought you guys were talking Chevies, Namvet is dead on. Definitely a Ford.

My neighbor has one of these in the prettiest light yellow.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHyDgQlGsOarugF9raWylbxW81BzQLnJE__aTsHY2eEyST0oQeHg)

Anybody care to venture a guess on make and year?



is it BC or AD ??? kids "souped" these up and called em heaps.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on August 01, 2011, 05:46:33 PM
Not hot rodded, all original stock just like the pic but in light yellow.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Wineslob on August 02, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/6gzd5u.jpg)


65 GTO. better N sex


Almost, but not quite.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 02, 2011, 10:18:22 AM

Almost, but not quite.

you got the cock wagon she's got the time.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 02, 2011, 12:39:05 PM
This one may be a little more difficult.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/16-Owen-Magnetic-0-36_DV-10-GG_01.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on August 02, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
This one may be a little more difficult.
It helps if you change the name of the file before you link to it. :thatsright:

Did your parents have one of those?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 02, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
It helps if you change the name of the file before you link to it. :thatsright:

Did your parents have one of those?

I thought about that....................

An old friend (now deceased, and a WWII veteran), did have one.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 02, 2011, 01:18:30 PM
This one may be a little more difficult.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/16-Owen-Magnetic-0-36_DV-10-GG_01.jpg)

I'd say 1920 vintage
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 02, 2011, 01:20:27 PM
these were cool

(http://volocars.com/galleria_images/1258/1258_p3_l.jpg)

(http://starcarcentral.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/all-three-fates.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 02, 2011, 02:20:28 PM
I'd say 1920 vintage

1916.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 02, 2011, 02:29:29 PM
What's this one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/CarNo1.jpg)

Concept car. Only 6 built.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 02, 2011, 02:35:44 PM
I thought about that....................

An old friend (now deceased, and a WWII veteran), did have one.

The Owen Magnetic.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 03, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
What's this one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/CarNo1.jpg)

Concept car. Only 6 built.

From the 1940s.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Lacarnut on August 03, 2011, 09:07:07 PM
What's this one?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/CarNo1.jpg)

Concept car. Only 6 built.

Saw one of those at the Barrett Jackson auction. Wierd looking.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on August 03, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHyDgQlGsOarugF9raWylbxW81BzQLnJE__aTsHY2eEyST0oQeHg)

1932 Cadillac Roadster Coupe.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: FreeBorn on August 03, 2011, 09:15:24 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/CarNo1.jpg)

I have no clue. I'm guessing all aluminum body, postwar, late '40s.

Beyond that I'd say it was driven by either Dick Tracy or Roger Rabbit.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 09:16:54 AM
Well, times up. I knew this one was a poser.

It's a 1941 Chrysler Thunderbolt concept vehicle. It had an aluminum body and a retractable hardtop. The power windows were hydraulically controlled. The 323.5 cubic-inch inline-eight delivered 140 HP.

One was owned by actor Bruce Cabot.

Chrysler Thunderbolt (http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z1900/Chrysler-Thunderbolt.aspx)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 09:44:09 AM
This one should be easier. Lots of clues in the picture. I know a guy who's restoring one.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/CarNo2.jpg)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: Chris_ on August 04, 2011, 09:48:21 AM
1938 Ford Business Coupe?
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 09:49:26 AM
1938 Ford Business Coupe?

Nope. Sorry, Chris.
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 04, 2011, 09:56:21 AM
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1911/3027836145c9ed836c77.jpg)

this one's easy
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 10:05:05 AM
That's the Obama pimp  mobile!   :rotf:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 04, 2011, 10:07:10 AM
That's the Obama pimp  mobile!   :rotf:

wonder how many whores it holds ???
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 04, 2011, 10:13:39 AM
also our new AF1

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf-ZiAC5mIs[/youtube]
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 11:20:34 AM
wonder how many whores it holds ???

How many do you need?  :rotf:
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: namvet on August 04, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
How many do you need?  :rotf:

I need none. but the mack daddy has a min amount required  :-)
Title: Re: car identification
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2011, 11:26:11 AM
I need none. but the mack daddy has a min amount required  :-)

That's fer sure. He's best friends with Chicago's south side streetwalkers!