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Offline Alpha Mare

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Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« on: March 26, 2010, 02:52:12 AM »
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

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The Senate health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine. As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:

So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal insurance plan for the Amish.

"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."

Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).

"Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars."

I'm conscientiously opposed to abortion, so I'm exempt too.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 05:11:25 AM »
Does that mean muslims are driving around without car insurance (liability) too?
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 05:19:22 AM »
If I were to consider murdering all the infidels as part of my religion would I get an exemption should I act on those beliefs ?

What's good for the goose ....

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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 10:11:05 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 26, 2010, 05:11:25 AM
Does that mean muslims are driving around without car insurance (liability) too?

I don't know about other states, but Illinois will exempt anyone if they have proof of having a certain amount of funds available to cover damages for liability.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 01:21:58 PM »
Quote from: Alpha Mare on March 26, 2010, 02:52:12 AM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

I'm conscientiously opposed to abortion, so I'm exempt too.

If religious beliefs is an exemption....I'm Catholic.

The Catholic Church forbids abortion.

Guess that's going to let me out too.... :-)
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 01:29:44 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 26, 2010, 05:11:25 AM
Does that mean muslims are driving around without car insurance (liability) too?

Even more so than that, sir, you mean to tell me the Moslems are against "risk insurance," which includes.....social security retirement and disability checks?

I was aware of the Amish, but not the Moslems, being against that.

Do you mean to tell me that Moslems don't believe in social services and other welfare goodies, too?

This is starting to sound as if Islam is a "cafeteria religion."
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 02:00:40 PM »
Islam is a cult. Its a child raping, enslaving cult.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 02:58:20 PM »
I'm converting to Islam.

I get 3 more wimmenz and no ObamaCare.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 03:04:01 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 26, 2010, 02:58:20 PM
I'm converting to Islam.

I get 3 more wimmenz and no ObamaCare.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, both would cost more money.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 04:11:33 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 26, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, both would cost more money.

Well, you can slap them around and throw a sack over them....how expensive can that be?
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 04:25:18 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 26, 2010, 04:11:33 PM
Well, you can slap them around and throw a sack over them....how expensive can that be?
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and if you get them when they're in the single digits they'll be pretty tame when they get big enough to hurt you.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2010, 12:23:53 PM »
I'm a constitutionalist therefor it violates my beliefs that the federal government mandates that I buy health insurance. Problem is I already have insurance but, if premiums go up by 200 to 300% then I simply will not be able to afford it. Since I believe in being able to eat I should be exempted.
 
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 12:37:56 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 26, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
Six of one, half a dozen of the other, both would cost more money.
But at least I get to decide who is screwing whom.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 12:53:09 PM »
Quote from: debk on March 26, 2010, 01:21:58 PM
If religious beliefs is an exemption....I'm Catholic.

The Catholic Church forbids abortion.

Guess that's going to let me out too.... :-)
There is such a thing as separation of church and state. Or I thought there was.
I too was brought up Catholic but have reverted to the "round church" where the devil can't corner me.
I refuse to keep adding to the collection plate of any org. who condones child molestation , as the Catholic church does.
The quickest way to their mind is through their wallet.
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Re: Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2010, 01:02:25 PM »
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There is such a thing as separation of church and state.

No, there isn't.  Not constitutionally at any rate.

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