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Federalism: now more than ever
« on: January 21, 2009, 07:49:45 AM »
Obama is going to radicalize this nation, as bad as we feared, if not worse.

The looming foreign policy disasters we will endure but domestically we cannot afford his agenda either monetarily or in the name of freedom. However, if Obama is alowed to radicalize the entirety of US domestic policy it will not retain the strength of economy, law or self-determination to save itself beyond the next generation.

But the world is entranced and the liberals only speak of "bi-partisanship" to A) get squishy conservatives to surrender their principles and B) fool moderates into voting for liberals. Conservatives are to be hunted by every tool except for the long dead Alien and Sedition Act but even that is to be held doubtful depending on the resurrection of the soothingly-name Fairness Doctrine. We cannot stop him with mere obstructionist gestures and if we try the resulting failures that we all know must follow socialist policy will be blamed on us.

We need to remind the American people that ours is a federal republic. We must tell them truthfully, even happily, that if they want socialized services and economies they are free to have it...in their state. But what is needed and wanted in Vermont or California is not necessarily needed or desired in Colorado and Texas. The pragmatism of the approach must trumpeted: those states seeking socialized services can learn from each others' successes and failures. Better still, those who do partake of the socialized utopia won't have to worry about their tax dollars lwaving their state to fund other states that only grudgingly would accept such services. If their vision is as true as they claim it ould only be a matter of time until the hold-out states joined them once their shining example proved itself superior in the arena of ideas.

It will make it difficult for the liberals to paint us as obstructionists if we simply present ourselves as those merely seeking empirical proofs in structured trials willing to accept the results for what they are. I fear it is pretty much the only argument left to us given the political weight the liberals will soon possess in all 3 brnaches of government.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 08:15:41 AM »

We need to remind the American people that ours is a federal republic. We must tell them truthfully, even happily, that if they want socialized services and economies they are free to have it...in their state. But what is needed and wanted in Vermont or California is not necessarily needed or desired in Colorado and Texas.

I thought that the states rights busines was settled 143 years ago?
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 08:18:22 AM »
the tenth amendment hasn't been repealed...

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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 08:21:59 AM »
the tenth amendment hasn't been repealed...

Not officially. For all intents and purposes though it has been overlooked/ignored for about the last 40 yrs or so.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2009, 08:30:47 AM »
Not officially. For all intents and purposes though it has been overlooked/ignored for about the last 40 yrs or so.

I'd argue that the "ignoring" began when Chief Justice John Marshall was on the bench.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2009, 08:33:27 AM »
I thought that the states rights busines was settled 143 years ago?
And despite the MSM circle-jerk of the last 2 months Lincoln never worked for socialized medicine, education, retirement, public works projects, gun-grabbing, war-losing, jihadi-cuddling do-goodism so how in the hell they can paint the current amateur to Lincoln is beyond reckoning.

BTW - It's is intellectually possible to be pro-state's rights and anti-CSA.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2009, 08:34:15 AM »
I'd argue that the "ignoring" began when Chief Justice John Marshall was on the bench.
And that is exactly what needs to be undone by inviting the libs to ruin their own states.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2009, 09:06:52 AM »
And that is exactly what needs to be undone by inviting the libs to ruin their own states.

Hell man! They already run from those states like rats from a sinking ship.

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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2009, 03:21:09 PM »
Hell man! They already run from those states like rats from a sinking ship.

....rats from a burning barn for us country boys.
Exactly.

Let those who want nanny-statism have it but let's preserve free states for those who want to flee.

Unfortunately, we lack the political clout to keep the libs from hurting themselves. We must instead focus our limited powers and whatever states we can preserve and hope the rest learn by their example. But to get that to work we must entice the libs to act on their own terms free of our "meddling". Otherwise, when their house of cards falls they will invariably blame us. Through the creed of federalism we can give them free rein and insulate ourselves from their recriminations while preserving our own liberties.

As was intended by the founders.
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Re: Federalism: now more than ever
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 10:50:49 AM »
The problem caused by the fleeing libtards is that they adversely affect those states they come to. Look at Colorado, Arizona, Montana, and even Texas, now. There are many other states that are getting influxes of folks from the more liberal states and all of those states are going down the drain. I see it here in my home state of Texas and have read about the liberal influence in other states to which they are migrating.
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