DUmmies offer up reasonable gun control ideas

[BattleHymn]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210265215

Welcome to the circle jerk!  So many nuggets to choose from:

ue Feb 20, 2018, 11:42 PM
Star Member SHRED (21,894 posts)

Here's my ideas on gun control


I'd start here with Federal law:

Limit bullet clips on all firearms to 5.
Strong background checks on all sales no exceptions.
Mandatory 10 day waiting period.
All firearms must be registered and owners must pass a proficiency test.
All firearms must be insured.
Assault weapons banned with no "grandfather" clause. You turn them all in or lose your right to ever own a firearm again.
Anyone caught with an unregistered firearm forfeits current and future firearm ownership plus 1 year in jail.

Just a few thoughts for starters.

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:45 PM
Star Member Phoenix61 (3,667 posts)
1. Caught with an unregistered firearm

mandatory 1 year prison sentence. No gain time allowed. Add that and count me in.

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:48 PM
Star Member C_U_L8R (25,170 posts)
4. A "lives matter" tax

One dollar on every bullet sold with the proceeds going to support victims and their families.

Do I hear five dollars?

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:54 PM
Star Member WillowTree (4,611 posts)
8. What's with this obsession around here with insurance in the context of gun control?

What kind of insurance are you talking about and what purpose do you think it would serve in the interest of gun control?

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:02 AM
Star Member SHRED (21,894 posts)
9. Call it what you want


A victim pool then.

Some way victims, no matter if an accident or illegal shootings, get compensation.

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:11 AM
Star Member WillowTree (4,611 posts)
10. No form of insurance covers illegal acts of the insured.

None. Never has. Never will. So I fail to see any function toward gun control.

And here comes the mole accusation:

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:14 AM
Star Member SHRED (21,894 posts)
12. You sound pretty cut and dried on this

Like you've argued this before...with passion.

Just looking for ideas. That's why I said call it what you want but there will be a tax to cover what I mentioned if I had my way.

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:53 AM
Star Member thecrow (4,995 posts)
22. Give all assault weapons back to the military

The pResident is always complaining how the military is so depleted and "in tatters" so they surely must need more assault weapons.
Everyone who hands their gun over to the military gets a tax deduction for the price of the gun.
So the military gets the benefit of all these 'patriots' war toys (and they can feel so proud for supporting the military) and there's even a tax cut involved!
Win/win....n'est ce pas?
And absolutely everything that SHRED said

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:15 AM
Wolf Frankula (1,922 posts)
25. Gun Owners should be licensed

As part of the licensing procedure, gun owners must pass safety and proficiency tests.
Mandatory background checks for all sales.
Carrying while under the Influence should be an offense.
Sales by licensed dealers ONLY.
Class 3 license, now required only on fully automatic weapons, required on all assault weapons.
10 round magazine maximum.
Using ANY firearm in the commission of a crime adds 5 years to your sentence.
Any person who has been convicted of a felony, domestic battery, or has been declared mentally ill or defective, including unfit for military service, shall be barred from possessing any firearm. (The Nugent Clause)
Bump stocks prohibited.
Altering a semiautomatic weapon to select or automatic fire shall result in a prison term, confiscation of all firearms, and being barred from possessing any firearms in the future.
Any business shall have the right to ban the carrying of firearms on the premises.

No gay cakes for militant fags?

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:30 AM
NCDem777 (458 posts)
27. Here's mine: Everyone gets a chance
 
and you're presumed to be a responsible gun owner until you prove otherwise. But if ya blow it, you're done forever. Get caught after that and it's a mandatory 10 years in prison.

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:55 AM
mentalslavery (353 posts)
34. No...we already have the whole "lets assume everyone is all good" situation

Why would I assume, when someone buys a gun, that they are motivated by anything good?
It seems vastly more prudent to assume the opposite.

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:06 AM
Glamrock (2,450 posts)
37. Mine.

1) proficiency test. Like a car. Prove you're capable. Additionally, I'd have distinct categories. Handguns, shotguns, normal rifles, assault/semiautomatic rifles.
Proficiency needs to be proven every three to five years.
2) Insurance for 4 above stated categories on each gun owned. You want to have an arsenal? Knock yourself out. I have to have insurance on every car I take on the road and it wasn't designed to kill. And I'd have different classifications. We'll compare assault rifles, in this context, to Ferrari's, shotguns to p/u trucks, hunting rifles to..... What? a Taurus? And handguns to Escorts.
3) All this violence according to the gun lovers, is due to mental illness. So at profiency test, stated above, psychological evaluation just like we do with cops. Should be no problem. You don't want guns in the hands of crazy people and you don't want to pay taxes for mental health. I don't want to hear any of your complaints. I gotta basically strip down to my drawers and go through an xray machine to get on a plane because of 22 or 23 people. There's been 200+ school shootings since like 2000. You're the one saying it's a mental health issue. Put up or shut up.
4) Background checks on all guns sold including private sales.
5) No guns for domestic abusers, stalkers, violent offenders, rapists, known mentally Ill, and PEOPLE ON THE ****ING TERRORIST WATCHLIST!
6) Limit size of magazines you can purchase.
7) Notification of or limits on large purchases of ammo. Again, I don't want to hear shit. I can't buy more than 2 or 3 packages of cold medicine, and the banks notify if there are large amounts of money moved. Precedence has been set in my eyes
8) No online sales of hardware or ammo. If I gotta go to a state run/sanctioned liquor store, you can do the same for products designed to kill.

It's up to the gunners. They can continue to balj at every suggestion. But every one of these mass murders changes minds to an, all out ban like Australia. Get on board now man, or you're gonna lose you're guns all together. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But every massacre moves you one step closer. Perhaps a little inconvenience, mostly no more than what it tales to get a drivers license or board a plane is worth it.....

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 03:29 AM
askyagerz (428 posts)
42. We need a "d.m.v." for everything gun related

Just too many guns and owners now to slip through cracks. We need lots of local offices and agents. All new and used transactions have to go through a live agent. Just like getting a license on a car. Gun shows will be required to pay to have agents present. Let a government official ask everyone a list of questions and see their current mental states for themselves. Annual home visits for people wanting to keep assault weapons. Let gun owners put their money where their mouth is and pony up if they really consider themselves responsible gun owners

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 03:24 PM
jmg257 (9,699 posts)
74. Why not make a real difference? The only way to drastically reduce the numbers of gun violence

is to DRASTICALLY reduce the number of guns.

400 MILLION guns out there, like 12-14 MILLION new ones a year...

Outlaw repeating firearms with detachable mags, or fixed capacity greater then 10.
Allow turn in or Confiscate those that are already in circulation - maybe 1 year grace period.
Caught with an illegal gun, 5 year mandatory. Commit crime, with same - 20 year minimum.

Police subject to same rules after 5 years.

Registration combined with UBC would help with straw sales and illegal gun dealing...but guns left as legal may not matter, but hey why not?.

Of course we must deal with compensation for the now illegal weapons people must turn in, but tax credits would work.

Plenty would keep 'em, and they may never see the light of day, but almost as good and atrrition will kcik in eventually.

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 03:38 PM
oneshooter (8,320 posts)
75. So my 1866 Henry (15round tubuler magazine) and 1892 Winchester (13rd Tube mag)

would illegal? Both are original rifles. I believe that the BATFE tried this a while back, didn't work.

[I_B_Perky]

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:45 PM
Star Member Phoenix61 (3,667 posts)
1. Caught with an unregistered firearm

mandatory 1 year prison sentence. No gain time allowed. Add that and count me in.

Funny you should mention that, dummie.  Back in the mid/late 80's the federal government tried out a pilot policy in Richmond Virginia. Anyone caught with a firearm illegally was diverted to a fast track federal court, prosecuted and when found guilty sentenced to mandatory 5 or 10 years in federal prison depending on some criteria.  No exceptions.

Know what happened dummie? Crimes with firearms dropped drastically. So it worked. Bigly.  Why didn't the federal government roll out the policy nationwide, you ask?  Because you whining libs yelled racism when it turned out that the majority of the gun criminals were black!!! 

The feds dropped the policy.

So I do agree with you, dummie. I think it is a damned good idea.  Let us enact it tomorrow!

[67 Rover]

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:06 AM
Glamrock (2,450 posts)
37. Mine.

1) proficiency test. Like a car. Prove you're capable. Additionally, I'd have distinct categories. Handguns, shotguns, normal rifles, assault/semiautomatic rifles.
Proficiency needs to be proven every three to five years.
2) Insurance for 4 above stated categories on each gun owned. You want to have an arsenal? Knock yourself out. I have to have insurance on every car I take on the road and it wasn't designed to kill. And I'd have different classifications. We'll compare assault rifles, in this context, to Ferrari's, shotguns to p/u trucks, hunting rifles to..... What? a Taurus? And handguns to Escorts.
3) All this violence according to the gun lovers, is due to mental illness. So at profiency test, stated above, psychological evaluation just like we do with cops. Should be no problem. You don't want guns in the hands of crazy people and you don't want to pay taxes for mental health. I don't want to hear any of your complaints. I gotta basically strip down to my drawers and go through an xray machine to get on a plane because of 22 or 23 people. There's been 200+ school shootings since like 2000. You're the one saying it's a mental health issue. Put up or shut up.
4) Background checks on all guns sold including private sales.
5) No guns for domestic abusers, stalkers, violent offenders, rapists, known mentally Ill, and PEOPLE ON THE ****ING TERRORIST WATCHLIST!
6) Limit size of magazines you can purchase.
7) Notification of or limits on large purchases of ammo. Again, I don't want to hear shit. I can't buy more than 2 or 3 packages of cold medicine, and the banks notify if there are large amounts of money moved. Precedence has been set in my eyes
8) No online sales of hardware or ammo. If I gotta go to a state run/sanctioned liquor store, you can do the same for products designed to kill.

It's up to the gunners. They can continue to balj at every suggestion. But every one of these mass murders changes minds to an, all out ban like Australia. Get on board now man, or you're gonna lose you're guns all together. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But every massacre moves you one step closer. Perhaps a little inconvenience, mostly no more than what it tales to get a drivers license or board a plane is worth it...

No and no I won't.

[BattleHymn]

Perhaps a little inconvenience, mostly no more than what it tales to get a drivers license or board a plane is worth it...

I thought that was a monumental inconvenience!  You've been telling every state that tries to enact voter ID that for years...

[thundley4]

Funny you should mention that, dummie.  Back in the mid/late 80's the federal government tried out a pilot policy in Richmond Virginia. Anyone caught with a firearm illegally was diverted to a fast track federal court, prosecuted and when found guilty sentenced to mandatory 5 or 10 years in federal prison depending on some criteria.  No exceptions.

Know what happened dummie? Crimes with firearms dropped drastically. So it worked. Bigly.  Why didn't the federal government roll out the policy nationwide, you ask?  Because you whining libs yelled racism when it turned out that the majority of the gun criminals were black!!! 

The feds dropped the policy.

So I do agree with you, dummie. I think it is a damned good idea.  Let us enact it tomorrow!

IIRC it was called Project Exile. Not only did liberals claim it was racist, they also said it was breaking up families. Baby mama's didn't want the hassle of trying to get little meal tickets to a federal pen to visit the baby daddy.

[DUmpDiver]

I don't get all of the gun grabbers calling for proficiency testing.

The result of that would be that it would make sure that when some nutjob goes on a killing spree that he(she) will be extra effective in committing mass murder.

ETA:  If somebody is shooting at me I hope that they have poor aim and don't know how to clear a jam quickly.  The less competent they are with a firearm, the higher my chances of survival.

[SVPete]

... owners must pass a proficiency test.

Proficiency test ... proficiency test ...... why does that ring a bell? Hmmmmmmmmmm ... oh yeah! Literacy test!

[BamaMoose]

So far, this is the winner for dumbest idea I've seen over there:

HeartachesNhangovers (532 posts)

23. First, ban all government agencies and their

employees on US soil from possessing NFA weapons (fully-automatic firearms, short-barreled rifles, suppressors, etc). Also, no "destructive devices" (explosives, etc). No exceptions, with violations punishable as felonies, and do it on a federal basis, of course.

After all, the government has no legitimate interest in killing as many Americans as possible as quickly as possible. To the extent that police agencies "need" military weapons, it is because they have adopted tactics based on overwhelming firepower, rather than containment, negotiation and patience.

Then, once government agencies have been stripped of these weapons, demonstrating that these weapons are not necessary, I believe that a lot of the copy-cat demand from the public will dry up.

If that works out, ban the government from having magazines with greater than 10-round capacity, semi-automatic pistols and rifles, etc BEFORE trying to do it to the public.

After all, government agents don't carry weapons to protect you, they carry them to protect themselves, and that's how they almost always USE those weapons - to eliminate perceived threats against themselves.

As long as government agents are allowed to carry any weapon under the sun and as long as they are clearly using them for their own self-defense, it's a losing argument that the public shouldn't be entitled to the same level of protection.

Disarming the government is the only realistic path to general US disarmament. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210263528#post23

So, first disarm the military, the police, the FBI and all the other Federal agencies and then just sit back and wait for the American public, all the criminals and I guess every other military and private citizen in the world, to just turn in all their weapons.  Brilliant strategy.  It just might work.   

[hillneck]

I was going to comment on these DUmmies, but is way to much stupid in their silly rules.  Almost all show they have no concept of  how firearms operate, or the federal laws already on the books.       

[DLR Pyro]

Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:30 AM
NCDem777 (458 posts)
27. Here's mine: Everyone gets a chance
 
and you're presumed to be a responsible gun owner until you prove otherwise. But if ya blow it, you're done forever. Get caught after that and it's a mandatory 10 years in prison.

To bounce pass this right back to the DUmmies and all that they love so much, since abortion kills thousands of more innocent children annually than guns ever have how about proving responsibility in regards to having sex?  Get knocked up one time by carelessness causing you to get an abortion and you are sterilized to prevent any future "accidents".

[USA4ME]

I'd just prefer that liberals be honest for once and come out and say they want to confiscate all guns. It's what they want, we all know it. I know it would be political suicide for them to say it, and that's why they don't, but it would be nice if just once they'd be truthful and come out and say it.

.

[BadCat]

Limit bullet clips on all firearms to 5.

Bullet clips???

Doncha love it when they try to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about?

[Old n Grumpy]

I'd just prefer that liberals be honest for once and come out and say they want to confiscate all guns. It's what they want, we all know it. I know it would be political suicide for them to say it, and that's why they don't, but it would be nice if just once they'd be truthful and come out and say it.

.

Liberals can't be honest. when they are their ideas are soundly rejected.

[67 Rover]

Bullet clips???

Doncha love it when they try to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about?

What's the problem???  That is the part that holds the 1000 rounds of high velocity, Teflon cop killer armor piercing exploding bullets and is usually made of plastic to avoid x-ray detection.  Duhh. 

[VelvetElvis]

What's the problem???  That is the part that holds the 1000 rounds of high velocity, Teflon cop killer armor piercing exploding bullets and is usually made of plastic to avoid x-ray detection.  Duhh. 

We need to ban all those semi-automatic high capacity bullets and the thing that goes up, too.

[DefiantSix]

Bullet clips???

Doncha love it when they try to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about?

I'm still waiting for them to start trying.

Oh.
Wait... 

...You mean to tell me this WAS such an attempt?

[67 Rover]

We need to ban all those semi-automatic high capacity bullets and the thing that goes up, too.

Let it never be said that I am unreasonable and unwilling to compromise.  I will agree to a 500% tax on high capacity bullet clips. 

Remember the good old days when the gun grabbers described everything as either an AK-47 or a Glock? Now its AR15 24/7.  Ahhh good times. Good times.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Enjoy trying to enforce that on the south and west sides of Chicago, asshats.  Nah, just like President Obama did for 8 years of his adopted hometown.  No discussion of Chicago or rarely.

[Wineslob]

Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:48 PM
Star Member C_U_L8R (25,170 posts)
4. A "lives matter" tax

One dollar on every bullet sold with the proceeds going to support victims and their families.

Do I hear five dollars?

Why not $100 on every car tire sold for the victims of drunk driving, cuz, you know, it's the cars fault.

[Texacon]

If they think rounding up 11MM - 15MM illegal aliens would be difficult, wait until they try to round up ohhhh, lets say 30% of the firearm owners in this country.

What the hell are they going to do if they try to arrest 30MM legal gun owners?  Who own 90MM firearms?

 

KC

[BamaMoose]

Bullet clips???

Doncha love it when they try to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about?

SHRED explains what a bullet clip is:

SHRED (21,953 posts)

3 clip magazines max
 
If you can't drop your game in 3 then you aren't a hunter.

Ban weapons of war and then regulate the shit out of very limited capacity handguns and hunting rifles.
No "grandfather clause". They must be turned in or face severe penalties.

This isn't rocket science folks.

#GunReformNow
#GunControlNow 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210273462

So you load up your bullet clips, and then you load no more than three of your bullet clips into your magazine. See easy-peasy.

After being called out on his ignorance, he doubled down:

SHRED (21,954 posts)

"Gun-splainers"
     
They look for any technical wedge to sound all "experty".
Don't let them stump you.
______

No votes to NRA politicians for starters.

Ban weapons of war and then heavily regulate limited capacity handguns and hunting rifles.
No "grandfather clause". They must be turned in or face severe penalties.

 #GunReformNow
#GunControlNow 

Which leads to this exchange:

WhiskeyGrinder (2,042 posts)

3. If you want to have a say in how something is regulated, you need to understand how it works.
 
Otherwise it's easy to dismiss you and your concerns. If you really, really want to play a role in setting policy, I strongly urge you and others to learn about firearms. It doesn't mean you have to buy one, shoot one or touch one. But understanding them will go a long way toward doing something that gets results, rather than just blowing off emotions. But if that's all you're aiming to do, then by all means keep at it, and don't be surprised when people who are otherwise your allies stop taking you seriously.

USALiberal (891 posts) <Response to WhiskeyGrinder>

5. Really silly argument. N.t

Star Member lunatica (34,993 posts) <Response to WhiskeyGrinder>

15. Thats pure baloney
 
What a dumb thing to demand

And of course:

SHRED (21,954 posts) <Response to someone claiming being knowledgeable about a subject is a talking point>

14. It's a rightwing taking point regarding guns

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210273962

So they readily acknowledge they have no clue what they are talking about and want to create policy from a position of ignorance.  Reminds me of so many other Democratic attempts at gun legislation.  Thumb stock and bayonet lug=super scary weapon

[freedumb2003b]

How can we get this deep into the discussion without mentioning the biggest elephant in the room?

The DUmmies think the "AR" in "AR-15" stands for "Assault Rifle!"

They really do!!!

[dutch508]

Bullet clips?


 

[Wineslob]

Bullet clips?


 

And 3 shot to kill game...........morons

[Old n Grumpy]

#EatShitandDie.  The guy is a democrat, like most of all the other mas shooters.

How about calling out the school board and sheriff for not reporting out of control students because it is politically incorrect or racist.

This guy had a flashing red light and a waving flag alerting everyone he was dangerous. Nothing was done, lets find out why and address that first.