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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: AzJames73 on November 07, 2017, 04:22:35 AM
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flotsam (323 posts) https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10029807791
It says "well trained militia"
and I was trained by the US Army. But I am willing to give up as many of mine as it takes. How about this-you become militia qualified only by serving and NOT receiving a dishonorable discharge? Suppose you exhibited proficiency by military training? Suppose even then it was semis banned? Because I could live with that.
:o
Cattledog (2,449 posts)
2. Not really. It says...
A "well regulated" Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
brush (14,510 posts)
3. Aren't "well trained" and "well regulated" synonymous in that sense?
Give the guy a little leeway. His point is well taken.
No. Will not give DUmmy leeway and the two aren't synonymous.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
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It would really be nice if these DUmbasses would actually read the Militia Act so they can see and know what was meant by "Militia". :thatsright:
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In 1793, 'Militia' meant every man old enough to lift and load a musket, regardless of whether they had ever served in the Regulars or been trained at all. 'Well regulated,' while an odd choice of words by modern standards, meant 'Equipped' and encompassed that they really ought to know how to shoot, either with their own weapon on hand or standard weapons issued out from the armory in crisis times. The gist is that Congress should not be allowed to hinder that by restricting weapons ownership to a limited class such as just people who were actually getting paid by State or Federal governments, i.e. standing regular armed forces, which the Founders viewed with a certain amount of understandable skepticism, given their own experience with England.
10 USC 311 makes all able-bodied men, citizens or those pending citizenship, between 17 and 45 members of the Unorganized Militia, whether they have ever served and received training or not. However, it is more narrow than what the Founders or the Second Amendment are talking about, and only dates back a hundred years, to the dawn of World War One.
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Even making allowance for the DU-member's confusing "trained" for "regulated" he totally misses the point of the phrase he sort of cites. The amendment forbids government from infringing people's rights to keep and bear arms, adding the explanation that the government has a national-defense interest in a citizenry that comes to muster or call-up already familiar with the use and care of fire arms.
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Lee-Lee (4,662 posts)
7. No. We dont make rights contingent upon service in this country
Nor should we. Unless you are a liberal or progressive socialist / communist
If you set the precedent for one right to be restricted only to those to do some sort of service that opens the doors to regulating others like that.
What if they did the same for voting? Or speech? You libs do that with your antifa violent protests at conservative speeches.
Bad precedent to go down and it sounds very Starship Trooperish.
Actually it sounds like your liberal / progressive agenda. :bird:
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I honestly don't see how any rational/reasonable person could read the founders words on firearms and not realize they intended for the populace to be armed.
KC
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I honestly don't see how any rational/reasonable person could read the founders words on firearms and not realize they intended for the populace to be armed.
KC
Gun-haters pretzellate the 2nd Amendment to fit their views.
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Gun-haters pretzellate the 2nd Amendment to fit their views.
Actually the libs / progressives pretzellated the whole constitution to suit their agenda. :thatsright: :argh:
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I honestly don't see how any rational/reasonable person could read the founders words on firearms and not realize they intended for the populace to be armed.
KC
The same reasoning allows multiple meanings for the word "is".
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Actually the libs / progressives pretzellated the whole constitution to suit their agenda. :thatsright: :argh:
The parts they don't trample and crap on, at least.
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DUmmies, the Second Amendment was created just for Ass Hats like you.
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Liberals: Trump is a fascist and needs removed from office.
Liberals: Guns are too dangerous. Let's disarm the citizens and make sure Trump controls all the guns.
:lol:
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Liberals: Trump is a fascist and needs removed from office.
Liberals: Guns are too dangerous. Let's disarm the citizens and make sure Trump controls all the guns.
:lol:
Rounding 300 million guns no problem.
Rounding up 15 million illegal aliens can't be done, impossible.
My 30 round magazines identify as 10 rounders. I'm good. Right?
:whatever
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flotsam (323 posts)
Suppose even then it was semis banned? Because I could live with that.
I'm not. What part of "Will not be infringed" don't you understand and if for some reason you fail to understand. Here's a couple of words that may help "Molon Labe".
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Response to flotsam (Original post)Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:13 AM
Star Member usedtobedemgurl (246 posts)
15. Every time my friends talk about their gun rights, I say.....
Yes, and as a part of a well regulated militia. I love to support people who follow the law and I think you will look very cute in fatigues. For some reason they drop the subject at that point. I don't get it
Response to usedtobedemgurl (Reply #15)Tue Nov 7, 2017, 07:21 AM
hack89 (36,768 posts)
16. I hear that occasionally
I usually change the subject because it is clear any conversation would be non-productive.
I had to do a double take on the post counts of the two primitives in that exchange. The low post count primitive burps up a stupid bouncy and the high post count primitive mocks it.
Which one is the mole? Both?
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Gun-haters pretzellate the 2nd Amendment to fit their views.
I'm not talking about the 2A. I'm talking about all the stuff they wrote and said, concerning the need for an armed populace. It is irrefutable what they thought, almost to a man.
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/59/80/1698020773-781aff181e02d172f1ccbd9756f703dc.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/52/96/1260362066-201b2b8ca4fa136ef489d91431e0fef4.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/29/69/1501053881-GW2nd.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/15/9/353296500-productimage-picture-laws-that-forbid-the-sh-568.gif)
Just seems clear to me ...
KC
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I'm not talking about the 2A. I'm talking about all the stuff they wrote and said, concerning the need for an armed populace. It is irrefutable what they thought, almost to a man.
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/59/80/1698020773-781aff181e02d172f1ccbd9756f703dc.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/52/96/1260362066-201b2b8ca4fa136ef489d91431e0fef4.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/29/69/1501053881-GW2nd.jpg)
(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/15/9/353296500-productimage-picture-laws-that-forbid-the-sh-568.gif)
Just seems clear to me ...
KC
I'm not clear how your post is responsive to mine. Did you misunderstand my post?
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I did a term paper in high school on the 2nd Amendment. It was a subject near and dear to my heart even back then (1988). I remember getting an A on that term paper, and I believe it is because I was passionate about the subject.
The term paper opened with the Bernhard Geotz shooting in the NY Subway. I did a ton of research and used the Founding Father's quotes on the 2nd Amendment, along with some statistics, to show my position. I was proud of my A because the teacher was known as strict and stingy with her grades. I wish to this day that I still had a copy of that term paper.
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I'm not clear how your post is responsive to mine. Did you misunderstand my post?
I may have. I was talking about the founders words and you mentioned the second amendment.
It's all good, though, I love reading those words on those pictures every chance I get. :-)
KC