http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=202&topic_id=10857Oh my.
This is not from Skins's island, and starts out with the heftchick primitive posting a photograph showing how stupid and ugly the Bostonian Drunkard looks, and then one of his articles.
And then:
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 06:54 AM
In response to Original Post
Pitt's paternal grandfather is Edward Hanify, pedophile priest defender, Bush Bank Director.
My research on Pitt`s maternal grandfather predated my encounter with Pitt himself (on DU) by many, many years.
The four-part series I did on my blog (after my DU flameout in February 2008) got picked up elsewhere, including conservative sites that were after Jason Leopold and him for their near-hit with the Rove thing.
maat
Member since Jan 30th 2008
847 posts
Tue May-26-09 08:15 AM
In response to Reply #1
Interesting information.....
re the bank director part - the result of diligent research, I'm sure.
I would appreciate a link.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 08:49 AM
In response to Reply #3
He was also tapped trunk line director (longest serving at STT and AT&T/New England Telegraph/Telephone.
Mind you, my research on Hanify long pre-dated Pitt's snitfit. I thought he was joking when he claimed Hanify was his (always nameless) "rock-ribbed Republican" grandfather.
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:12 AM
In response to Reply #3
I'd like to see a direct link to support that.
All I found is that the Edward Hanify's son was a lawyer for a failed bank.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 07:23 PM
In response to Reply #6
Try doing a search on Hanify and Resolution Trust.
Or, go to my blog, and search on Pitt or Hanify in the upper lefthand corner. I don't provide the links to the primary documents there for my health, ya know.
http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com
Ya'll are sorta coming at me expecting me to re-create the work I've already diligently created. I expect thinking progessives to be able to take a link to already-meticulously-researched work, and cross-verify the data for themselves.
The blog has a search function for a reason. I took the time to embed the links. It's not fair to ask me to comb thru and re-link to them here.
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 08:31 PM
In response to Reply #12
How can it not be fair when you're posting your conclusions here?
I'm simply asking you to back up your claim about Edward Hanify being a Bush Bank Director. It really shouldn't be difficult to provide a simple link to a block-buster claim which demeans Pitt simply by association? Will Pitt is no hero of mine and I've stated many things about him but every claim I made had solid back-up. That's all I'm asking of you before you use PI to air your personal grievances against him.
I feel that's an extremely fair request especially since my initial googles on this only turn up
www.dummiefunnies.blogspot.com
www.freerepublic.com/
www.conservativecave.com
your own website
and now, PI
Please CGA, indulge me. I really don't see anything unreasonable about this request.
I dunno. I go to the Nemesis's blog, and find all the links there, easy.
Myself, I think it's impressive research, and so well backed up.
I think the tinnitus primitive should go to the Nemesis's blog.
It's not like it takes a whole lot of time and trouble to click on a link, after all.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Wed May-27-09 04:10 AM
In response to Reply #41
1. My very reasonable response was a link to my blog, which is chock full of links.
2. I had stepped out yesterday to catch a movie with my partner; the delay was a simple matter of real life intruding onto online life.
3. It may not occur to ya'll, but it comes across as condescending to tell someone that his own blog - chock full of links to the primary documents - is an unworthy link.
Imagine if I were to say: "Progressive Independents just doesn't cut it for me as a link."
How would that come across to you, receiving that? Condescending, huh?
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:19 PM
In response to Reply #25
I am truly not getting why you couldn't post the link in #11 to my #5 & 5 posts.
Seriously I'm baffled.
It's up to anyone posting allegations here to substantiate it here.
I'm seriously failing to see what's so complicated about my request. We ask each other for links ALL the time.
And the Nemesis provided the link to his blog, which has all those links.
Geezuz.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Wed May-27-09 04:03 AM
In response to Reply #39
OK. The onus is on me to substantiate. I accept that.
The onus is on the reader, however, to actually follow the links provided.
Let's start with James Bamford's The Puzzle Palace, about the NSA. As I have pointed out at DU and elsewhere, I first had to read this book in the Spring of 1993. The book provides an amazing overview detailing how British intelligence forces trained the US how to tap trunk lines of every type, building in backdoors as new technologies emerged. Since the days of the Pony Express and first telegraphs, the Anglo-American taps have been installed at every major telecom, often thru coercion of the founders of such companies.
In America, the practice has entailed installing "reputable" directors from both political parties on the boards.
If you accept this premise as true (based on Bamford's exhaustively-documented research), then we have a bit of common ground from which to proceed.
If you do not accept this premise as true, then Hanify was a director at those companies during the Cold War merely because he was extremely gifted in running State Street Bank (founding member of DTCC), as well as telecoms with trunk lines.
Before I commit more time to this, please indicate whether you've read this book, and/or whether you're willing to accept - for the sake of argument - the central premise within: that key financial services and telecom companies have been used to track and tap citizens of every country.
The Puzzle Palace: Inside the National Security Agency, America's Most Secret Intelligence Organization
As you can see, Bamford's book was central to my understanding of STT's importance in helping to fund global black ops.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:15 PM
In response to Reply #37
SLAD, I'm off to bed.
My blog is searchable, and the links are self-evidently embedded to the primary docs: http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com
Thank you for the warm welcome to PI.
seemslikeadream
Member since Sep 14th 2005
3752 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:25 PM
In response to Reply #38
I warmly welcomed you when you first came here I guess you forgot that.
That's why I can not understand why you are being so hostile to Tin and myself when we are asking legimate questions of you and you continued to be so difficult in answering them.
The Nemesis provides the link to his blog, which provides the links to his statements.
Now, how hard is that to understand? Is the dreamy primitive dense, or what?
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Wed May-27-09 04:06 AM
In response to Reply #40
Let's start over.
Please help me to understand what bothers you about what I've posted, and please help me to understand why we should not seek to understand Will Pitt's motivations (and conflicts plaguing those motivations)? If Pitt is trying to advance a selective truth about one side of the Yankee Brahmins' role in running the War Racket in the Middle East, while concealing his family's own history in that regard, is that not relevant to our understanding of how he wields his pen (or pulls his punchdrunk penstrokes)?
The Bostonian Drunkard's maternal grandfather, may he rest in peace, is described:
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 07:19 PM
In response to Reply #3
The verbatim text from his HLS obit:
Edward B. Hanify '36 of Belmont, Mass., died December 31, 2000. He was a retired partner at Ropes & Gray in Boston. He was a member of President Johnson's National Advisory Council on the Education of Disadvantaged Children and an appointee of President Kennedy to the board of visitors at the U.S. Military Academy. In 1969 Hanify was credited with developing Senator Edward Kennedy's legal strategy in the inquest into the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. He served as director of New England Telephone, AT&T, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance, State Street Bank, and Boston Edison, and as trustee, secretary, and director of the Kennedy Library Foundation. Hanify was a lieutenant in the U.S. Navy during WWII.
LuPeRcALiO
Member since Nov 25th 2005
922 posts
Tue May-26-09 08:46 PM
In response to Reply #11
The Bush and Kennedy families are not identical, interchangeable, or equivalent.
I know you probably don't see it that way, but if as the obit reports he defended EMK in the Chappaquidick business, which I strongly suspect was one of many CIA attempts on his life, then he was actually defending the Kennedys FROM an attack BY the Bush assassination apparatus.
This is just based on the obit you posted, so if there's more to the story, by all means share it, but this does not sound like the life of a Bush lawyer.
LuPeRcALiO
Member since Nov 25th 2005
922 posts
Tue May-26-09 08:58 PM
In response to Reply #24
The point is that he was clearly not a Bush apparatchik,
unless he was some kind of covert agent, but that would require explanation. The obit describes the life of a respectable Dem lawyer.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:03 PM
In response to Reply #27
That particular obit describes a director of key intelligence companies. Plus.....
... once you factor in the other info available about this "respectable Democratic lawyer" (ignoring the oxymoronic construct of that term), and then add in the fact that will himself refers to him as a "rock-ribbed Republican," it gets a bit muddier, eh?
Maybe worth actual due diligence?
LuPeRcALiO
Member since Nov 25th 2005
922 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:11 PM
In response to Reply #30
Possibly, but the obit makes no mention of Bush.
I'm not trying to gang up on you, just to point out that the claim of "Bush Bank Director" does not appear to be supported by the evidence you have provided, at least to me.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:13 PM
In response to Reply #35
State Street Bank = Enron Special Fiduciary, Trustee of Resolution Trust.....
... one of the original 9 TARP banks, and its CEO is high school chums with Ron Kaufman (architect of Willie Horton ad) and Andy Card.
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 10:06 PM
In response to Reply #30
Which one of these are the key intelligence companies?
Edward B. Hanify '36 of Belmont, Mass., died December 31, 2000. He was a retired partner at Ropes & Gray in Boston. He was a member of President Johnson's National Advisory Council on the Education of Disadvantaged Children and an appointee of President Kennedy to the board of visitors at the U.S. Military Academy. In 1969 Hanify was credited with developing Senator Edward Kennedy's legal strategy in the inquest into the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. He served as director of New England Telephone, AT&T, John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance, State Street Bank, and Boston Edison, and as trustee, secretary, and director of the Kennedy Library Foundation. Hanify was a lieutenant in the U.S. Navy during WWII.
Seriously, I'm not following you.
I'm also not following how you're so sure that the "rock-ribbed Republican" grandfather is on the Hanify side. And even so, why would that be such a crime? The Republican Party back then was nothing like it is today.
And why, again, are these Pitt's sins?
CGA, you're making this discussion a LOT more complicated than it should be.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Wed May-27-09 04:26 AM
In response to Reply #42
All of them. See #43 and read The Puzzle Palace, about the NSA's key corporations.
"I'm also not following how you're so sure that the 'rock-ribbed Republican' grandfather is on the Hanify side. And even so, why would that be such a crime? The Republican Party back then was nothing like it is today."
1. That's probably because you're not taking the time to read the "Gag Me with a Silver Spoon" four-part series:
A. http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com/2008/03/willia...
B. http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com/2008/03/willia...
C. http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com/2008/03/willia...
D. http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com/2008/03/willia...
"And why, again, are these Pitt's sins?"
If I honestly renounced my grandfather's actions while still loving him anyway, I'd name him, name his actions for what they were, and STILL try to convey that he was a great guy to know in the familial context. Contrast that with Pitt's approach: he concealed that his mother, Jane Hanify Pitt, is the daugther of Edward B. Hanify, and threw a conniption (documented on my blog) when I accidentally revealed the connection (never dreaming that Hanify's grandson would be anywhere near DU, let alone one of its bulletproof rock stars).
W covered for the sins of Prescott, and didn't have the luxury of a different last name with which to obscure the connection.
If Pitt is doing the same for his own grandfather, shouldn't we at least wonder why?
"CGA, you're making this discussion a LOT more complicated than it should be."
I find that when I'm dealing with a passionate and articulate person who is presenting evidence and conclusions that I do not yet understand, that the dicussion is proabably a LOT more complicated than I first realized.
Perhaps the dicussion is a LOT more complicated than you first realized?
Perhaps Pitt's M.O. at DU and truthout has a lot more deeply-seeded and deeply-rooted purposes than some of you first thought?
Ah. As that begins to soak in, I'll go grab a second cup.
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 09:08 AM
In response to Reply #1
So the sons are responsible for the sins of the father?
Don't you find it unfair to drag Pitt's deceased grandfather into this? Besides, everyone in this country is allowed legal representation. I don't see how we can crucify Pitt over, if there's even anything there.
Where are you getting that he was a Bush Bank Director? I don't see where Edward was even involved with any banks.
John, his son, later represented ComFed Bank, but as an attorney. I see nothing about a Bank directorship for either of them.
If you have specific proof, please provide direct links to it. I do not feel like wading through stuff at www.freerepublic.com, www.conservativecave.com, or any other discussion board.
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 07:15 PM
In response to Reply #5
I myself have said we don't have Bills of Attainder in this country.....
... nor should the sins of the fathers be visited upon their children. By the same token, when Will routinely holds up his (curiously unnamed) grandfather as a paragon of Republican virtues (while hiding his grandfather's role as director of State Street and architect of both the Chappaquiddick defense AND the Boston Archdiocese's pedophile priest cover-up plan) ... he invites the scrutiny.
I'll provide you with the pinpoint blog links, which themselves are at pains to document how I came to be interested in Hanify (LONG before ever crossing paths with Pitt), and how PITT made my sharing of that data an issue at DU.
Tinoire
Member since Aug 10th 2005
11578 posts
Tue May-26-09 07:03 PM
In response to Original Post
CGA, you need to put up now before I forever dismiss any allegations you post here. Linking to conservative forums (via google specific search) and to your own forum to support the stuff you're posting here isn't going to cut it.
I'll also tell you the following, very openly, our main purpose here isn't to disparage DU and belittle people whose political views differ from ours, it's to advance Leftism in this country. I'm a little concerned that the majority of your posts are in the Complicity Forum and are attacks on people we don't want here to defend themselves. How is that advancing Leftism in this country?
We actually have a rule here about that:
Important note concerning other boards: This web-site was not set up to bash other discussion boards. Be aware that if we feel your main purpose here is to gripe, we'll take a very dim view of your not-so-positive contributions to our community because it's frankly boring. If you have any bitterness, purge your feelings over there and don't register until you're ready to MOVE FORWARD!
I'd really like to know because as much as I appreciate your whistle-blowing, our political views may not be a match made in heaven.
And please, clear up the allegations I questioned you re John Hanify + Bush Bank Director that started this.
This is important to me.
Thank you
CorpGovActivist
Member since Mar 09th 2008
197 posts
Tue May-26-09 07:53 PM
In response to Reply #8
Your house, your rules.
"CGA, you need to put up now before I forever dismiss any allegations you post here."
I say this with love: you need to spend a little time reading the embedded links here, which go to the primary documents, and which allow any thinking progressive to verify for him/herself the information's validity: http://corpgovactivist.blogspot.com/ (upper lefthand corner has search feature; I suggest pitt as the search term)
"Linking to conservative forums (via google specific search) and to your own forum to support the stuff you're posting here isn't going to cut it."
You're missing two key points:
1. I didn't post to those conservative forums; rather, the revelations I made were so on-point, that those forums picked up the data as a means to trip up Pitt (and, by extension, Leopold) in their quest to get Rove. I ***regret*** that unintended consequence of the revelations I made.
2. You ignore the embedded links in my blog entries about Pitt at the cost of cheating yourself out of the time I spent finding and linking to the primary materials. Saying that linking to my blog doesn't cut it is tantamount to saying to me: "comb thru your own blog, and re-link to what you already meticulously linked to there." See why that might kinda take me aback?
"I'll also tell you the following, very openly, our main purpose here isn't to disparage DU and belittle people whose political views differ from ours, it's to advance Leftism in this country. I'm a little concerned that the majority of your posts are in the Complicity Forum and are attacks on people we don't want here to defend themselves. How is that advancing Leftism in this country?"
Well, if you wanna know the incestuous relationships of the New England establishment, you'd do well to know the data presented there. Pitt's grandfather headed up Senator Kennedy's Chappaquiddick defense team. Another lawyer on that Chappaquiddick defense team has kept Patrick and me from presenting evidence against State Street in open court.
You say you're taking on the Anglo-American Imperial design. Where do you think that is centered, if not New England Brahmin families, and white shoe law firms that have both GOP and Dem lawmakers by the proverbial short and curlies?
Pitt's uncle was counsel for Resolution Trust. His grandfather was a director of State Street, the Trustee for Resolution Trust.
It's all meticulously accounted for at my blog, with the primary docs supporting it, and with the newspapers and other articles making the case laid out, down to author and page number.
"We actually have a rule here about that:
Important note concerning other boards: This web-site was not set up to bash other discussion boards. Be aware that if we feel your main purpose here is to gripe, we'll take a very dim view of your not-so-positive contributions to our community because it's frankly boring. If you have any bitterness, purge your feelings over there and don't register until you're ready to MOVE FORWARD!"
Pitt attacked me out of the blue at DU when I started posting about Hanify (whom I had NO IDEA) had any familial relationship to ANY DUer, let alone to the "bulletproof" Will Pitt.
"I'd really like to know because as much as I appreciate your whistle-blowing, our political views may not be a match made in heaven."
So? I find I learn when my thinking is challenged by other worldviews, not by surrounding myself with likeminded litmus testers.
"And please, clear up the allegations I questioned you re John Hanify + Bush Bank Director that started this."
And please, do the reading. I provide the primary documents and expect others to apply more rigor to their critiques AFTER doing the reading than to their pre-reading snarks.
"This is important to me."
If so, the primary documents are embedded in the blog entries, and the blog even has a search feature that makes your job as the reader much easier than mine was as the researcher and writer.
I never mind defending the quality of my research AFTER my would-be critics read the research first.
"Thank you"
You're welcome. Please feel free to write to me or call me, IRL, when you've completed the reading.
Until such time, I think I'll just make myself scarce. I get enough guff from Halliburton types threatening my family, my friends, my partner, and me, without having to wear a flak jacket in a left-leaning forum.
If I pass the litmus tests, fine. If not, I'll still be a good neighbor and an ally in the fight to keep God from hearing the wails of parents in any language, or prayed via any faith tradition.