Author Topic: Democrats claim crimes... don't actually name them in impeachment though...  (Read 449 times)

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Offline dutch508

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212788050

***House Report: Trump committed CRIMINAL bribery and wire fraud***
President Donald Trump committed criminal bribery and wire fraud, the House Judiciary Committee alleges in a report that will accompany articles of impeachment this week.

The report, a 169-page assessment of the case for Trump’s removal from office, contends that Trump committed “multiple federal crimes” — ones that Democrats addressed under the broad umbrella of “abuse of power,” the first article of impeachment against the president.

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Democrats argue that Trump crossed the threshold into criminal behavior with his posture toward Zelensky, writing in the report that his request for the announcement of politically motivated investigations constituted the solicitation of a bribe under federal law.

Those investigations were valuable to Trump personally, and he used his official power to schedule a state visit and withhold military aid to obtain them, the panel says.

These actions are a “corrupt” use of Trump’s authority that satisfies the final element of a bribery crime, Democrats argue.

The committee also alleges that Trump violated the honest services wire fraud statute during the July 25 phone call, as well as during a separate phone call a day later with Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union. Those “foreign wire communications” were done “in furtherance of an ongoing bribery scheme,” according to the report.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/16/judiciary-committee-impeachment-report-trump-committed-multiple-federal-crimes-086096


The republicans who claim that trump can't be impeached because he didn't commit any crime (I know it's not needed) have lost that argument. I hope Dems play up this aspect more than just "abuse of power." Criminal bribery and wire fraud will resonate better with the public. Especially since bribery is specifically spelled out in the Constitution as an impeachable offense.

of course... they aren't 'charging' him with any crimes...

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Star Member TwilightZone (13,774 posts)

1. To those who were complaining that bribery wasn't included, here you go.

It wasn't included in the impeachment draft... so, yeah...  :whatever:

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Star Member msongs (51,871 posts)

10. but its not a formal charge is it nt

Nope.

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bucolic_frolic (14,086 posts)

13. Felonies that snare ordinary citizens ought to be fair game for incumbent office holders

To those who say it impedes their work as officeholders? Oh? And impeachment doesn't?

To those who say it would lead to political motivations behind indictments? Use ordinary grand juries with the same rigorous standards as for ordinary people.

Still no crimes committed or listed. Oh, they 'claim' trump is guilty of a hundred things... What are they? When did it happen? Who are the victims?


silence.


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For some reason, some/many House Dems imagine that perpetual investigation plus serial impeachments is a winning strategy. :rotf:
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