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Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« on: November 24, 2012, 10:11:21 PM »
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Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...


 
If you believe this:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/11/news/economy/wealth-net-worth/index.html

The top 1% of people in this country have an average wealth of about $16 million.

If you figure the USA is 300,000,000 people, the top 1% consists of 3,000,000 people.

3 million times 16 million is 48 trillion of wealth

I say, tax them all 1/3 of their wealth, and pay off the national debt RIGHT NOW. One lump sum, with a few caveats....

The top 1% will then be EXEMPT from ANY taxes for the rest of their lives. Federal, State, Sales, capital gains, don't even make them pay to renew their drivers license. This will allow them to conduct their business and gain back much of their wealth.

Next, pass a balanced budget amendment and eliminate defecit spending. Institute a five trillion dollar "rainy day" fund for the federal government to finance any diasters/wars we enter in to. Government will collect taxes until the 5 trillion is in place, then lower taxes to the level where it only collects what it needs.

Treat the 1% of national heros, for sacrificing so much to allow our nation to hit the "reset" button.

I know there are probably some flaws here, like if a 1%ers net worth is all in real estate you can't just cut 33% of his land off and liquidate it so easily, and also I don't if, even with the interest on the national debt gone, if you could still collect enough taxes for a surplus without taxing income on the top 1% at all (you may need to still tax them a little) but the principle is basically the same.

If 1 out of every 100 people made this sacrifice (which would still leave them filthy rich by the way, it isn't like they'd be in line at the soup kitchen), it would greatly benefit the other 99%.

Make any sense? Or would this just lead to disaster lol.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2012, 10:16:38 PM »
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Takket (122 posts)

Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...


 
If you believe this:

http://money.cnn.com/2012...alth-net-worth/index.html

The top 1% of people in this country have an average wealth of about $16 million.

If you figure the USA is 300,000,000 people, the top 1% consists of 3,000,000 people.

3 million times 16 million is 48 trillion of wealth

I say, tax them all 1/3 of their wealth, and pay off the national debt RIGHT NOW. One lump sum, with a few caveats....

The top 1% will then be EXEMPT from ANY taxes for the rest of their lives. Federal, State, Sales, capital gains, don't even make them pay to renew their drivers license. This will allow them to conduct their business and gain back much of their wealth...

This is why normal people don't rely on DUmbshits for any heavy math.  :loser:
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2012, 10:34:34 PM »
Seems this DUmbass missed the memo about all the endless freebies the left vermin want no matter what the debt is.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2012, 10:47:20 PM »
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I know there are probably some flaws here

No, I think what you've got there is pretty much a perfect plan.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 11:05:08 PM »
Oh, my poor little mentally-retarded DUmmie, that "One percent" is really based on tax returns, which for all intents and purposes means each taxpaying household is one tick on the list; that means there are a lot less than three million of them for that reason alone.  At the same time, on the other end of your fallacious calculation, the total number of taxpaying households from which that one percent is derived is a whole lot less than the total population of the US.  Considering both of those things, and counting every household that filed solely to get some refundable credit or other kind of transfer payment tax welfare stolen from higher earners but who actually contribute no net revenue to the US, the universe of all household returns is going to come in well under 100 million.

On top of that, a lot of those people with a supposed really high net worth have their wealth sheltered in various ways, ranging from foundations like the Ford and Gates families have (Even Fat Mikey the Commie Attention Whore has his stuffed in a foundational pillowcase to keep the hands of his fellow Commies off of it), to trusts, to simply having their big-ticket property so heavily financed that they have very little equity to seize.  After hiding their loot from their fellow Leftists, most of them are of course Democrat stalwarts, which just goes to show something about self-delusion and blatant hypocrisy not standing in the way of gaining great wealth.  While I'm pretty ambivalent about what happens to lowlifes in high places, I'll go with the general idea of people being secure in their homes and possessions from the arbitrary acts of a despotic and arbitrary government.

So, really, you're talking about confiscating ALL their wealth and then some, while we're still generating over a trillion a year more in new debt under President Mocha Cappuccino.  Now on top of that new annual debt generation, also considering what percentage of the annual tax revenues comes from this same bunch of people, the dangling carrot of excusing them from annual taxes after the confiscation sounds like a disastrously impossible idea.

So, sorry, but your solution is a complete math FAIL...so you have a pretty good chance of becoming the Tax Solutions Czar and Fiscal Policy Idea Guy for Obama's second term, if you can prove you've cheated on your taxes ineptly enough that the IRS caught you at it within the last five years.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 11:20:13 PM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 11:54:49 PM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 12:39:09 AM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.

It's not going to go well for you at your hearing before the Emergency Committee for Public Safety and Excess Wealth Confiscation, is it?
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 05:25:55 AM »
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Response to Takket (Original post)Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
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Ingenious I must say, but deluded.

nads thinks it's ingenious but as deluded as her.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 05:56:40 AM »
Misfits - I want it noted for the record that misfit Takket is starless.   This is really about your stars.  He wants them and you are all total and complete bastards for not giving him yours.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2012, 06:00:13 AM »
Further, you will note that those who disagree with misfit Takket have stars.     The class warfare on the island is something we have not given appropriate attention to.    For shame.




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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2012, 07:01:38 AM »
It took 10,000+ years to develop higher math and one generation to DUmmie it down.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2012, 07:04:23 AM »
...Takket - did you know if you make a pile of garbage tall enough, you can get to the moon ?

The United States alone generates better than 220 million tons of trash each year, with a figure like that, you could build Mount Trashmore in no time at all ! And think of all the good you would be doing ! The rest of the United States would be free of trash and landfills, The United States would no longer be contributing to The Great Garbage Patch in the Pacific ocean, And NASA can save all sorts of money because they could simply drive to the moon ! Imagine all the tourist dollars the United States could raise by letting Americans vacation on the Moon ! And I bet Al Gore would be your 'besty' and maybe even offer to give you "massages" in hotel rooms !


BTW, this idea is totes my own,and NOT stolen from one of my kids Wii games, so get cracking !

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 07:31:51 AM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.

I'll go you one better:

OK, so they confiscate all the fancy cars, yachts and "McMansions"

Now what?

Apart for leaving all the manufacturers, shippers, retailers, staff and maintenance people unemployed because the ahted 1% no longer have use of their services; what the **** are they going to do with a 20-room $12 million house?

You can't put homeless people in it and if you did it would cease to be worth $12 million.

They only reason it is worth $12 million is because somebody with more than $12 million said, "Ya know, there aren't a lot of homeless people around here...I'LL TAKE IT!"

The problem with commies is Marx taught them "price = labor + materials." He wholly neglected the discussion on value.

But then again he never had to work for a living like trying to sell snow shovels in the tropics. He didn't have to; he married an heiress.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2012, 07:44:31 AM »
It took 10,000+ years to develop higher math and one generation to DUmmie it down.

That's what happens when you put warning labels on anything "dangerous", and DUmmies start to procreate, because they didn't kill themselves during childhood, because of warning labels.

Warning labels aren't allowing Darwin's law of natural selection to take place.  Result, DUmmies.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2012, 07:45:53 AM »
But then again he never had to work for a living like trying to sell snow shovels in the tropics. He didn't have to; he married an heiress.

They always forget that, don't they ? Every single one of their Leftist idols are wealthy "1%ers". All of them.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2012, 10:26:29 AM »
Amazing how DUmmies never made the distinction between "wealth" and "liquid assets."
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2012, 10:36:26 AM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.

I report mine on Form 1040.  :(

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2012, 11:51:11 AM »
Warning labels aren't allowing Darwin's law of natural selection to take place.  Result, DUmmies.

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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2012, 07:02:05 PM »
I have a better idea dummie. Tax welfare and medicaid. We tax unemployment insurance, we tax SS, so why not tax welfare and medicaid? It's income after all. Ya all dummies seem to want to tax all income as earned income, fine. Tax your welfare, HUD, medicaid and any other benefits you receive. Ya all about fairness... ain't that fair?

If we do that, ya all just might realize what taxes are all about. You know... like us folks that actually have jobs.

Until you propose that, as far as I am concerned you can just STFU.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2012, 07:16:53 PM »
I have a better idea dummie. Tax welfare and medicaid. We tax unemployment insurance, we tax SS, so why not tax welfare and medicaid? It's income after all. Ya all dummies seem to want to tax all income as earned income, fine. Tax your welfare, HUD, medicaid and any other benefits you receive. Ya all about fairness... ain't that fair?

If we do that, ya all just might realize what taxes are all about. You know... like us folks that actually have jobs.

Until you propose that, as far as I am concerned you can just STFU.

You shouldn't be allowed to vote in any jurisdiction unless you first pay taxes there.

County property tax?

You can vote in the county.

State sales tax?

OK.

Welfare recipient?

No federal elections for you.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2012, 07:29:13 PM »
Where is it on your tax return that you report your net worth?

There must be a form that I've failed to complete.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2012, 08:27:02 PM »
You shouldn't be allowed to vote in any jurisdiction unless you first pay taxes there.

County property tax?

You can vote in the county.

State sales tax?

OK.

Welfare recipient?

No federal elections for you.

If I recall correctly, back when this country was set up, only landowners were allowed to vote. You know... tax payers and people with skin in the game. If so, we need to go back to that.

BTW Sarge... does sales tax get assessed on EBT cards? I really do not know.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2012, 08:31:51 PM »
Let's see... I pay federal income tax, state taxes, and local property taxes.  I'm good.

It would certainly cut down on a lot of votes going to Democrats.  At least legitimate votes, anyway.
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Re: Forget raising taxes on the rich, do this instead...
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2012, 08:47:50 PM »
BTW Sarge... does sales tax get assessed on EBT cards? I really do not know.

Most municipalities waive sales taxes on food so...
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