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Offline franksolich

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old primitive being carefull
« on: September 10, 2010, 07:48:47 AM »
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old mark  (1000+ posts)        Thu Sep-09-10 09:13 AM
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Buying a house from landlord- "rent to own" house? BE CAREFULL!!! 

We bought our house through one of these schemes - we put some money down and had a contract stating the details of the deal whereby we were buying the house directly from the owner via monthly payments...BUT we had a lawyer look it over and he found that there were loopholes that the landlord could use to back out of the deal and take every cent we had in the house. Our neighbor just cam eout of a similar deal with his old landlord and lost thousands of dollars downpayment and years of payments...his landlord "decided" that he wanted more money for the house after having a contract for years...

Fortunately our lawyer found a loophole for us, and we got a mortgage on our own and paid off our old landlord in cash. He didn't want to do it, and tried to back out, but we told him he had to comply with his contract or we would sue him and win the house anyway.

He had done this at least 5 or 6 times in the past - and taken several families for all their savings, leaving them with nothing.

If you see a good house with this kind of a deal attatched, GET A LAWYER to check everything involved, and if the landlord/owner balks, walk away fast - there are other houses out there - don't lose your savings to a crooked landlord.

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The sparkling husband primitive, who's dancing and prancing and frolicking in San Francisco at the moment, might have something to say when he returns, though.
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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 08:09:45 AM »
Is this rent to own thing what they used to call "Bond for Title"? Miss a few payments and it all reverts to the original owner?
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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 08:43:03 AM »
Is this rent to own thing what they used to call "Bond for Title"? Miss a few payments and it all reverts to the original owner?


Didn't Hillary run/was a partner of a mortgage company that ran a scheme like that? White water?
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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 09:19:10 AM »
Is this rent to own thing what they used to call "Bond for Title"? Miss a few payments and it all reverts to the original owner?

Here in Texas that is probably referred to as 'Contract for Deed' and those things are a nightmare.  You can really screw folks bad.  It's only been a couple of years that you are no longer able to do Contract for Deed.

What's pissing me off right now is that you can no longer do an owner finance on your property if it isn't your primary residence AND you can no longer use 'private money' to purchase investment property unless the person you are borrowing the money from is a registered lender.  That is complete and utter BS.  This is national and not state.

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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 09:21:59 AM »
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If you see a good house with this kind of a deal attatched, GET A LAWYER to check everything involved,

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 09:39:30 AM »
Here in Texas that is probably referred to as 'Contract for Deed' and those things are a nightmare.  You can really screw folks bad.  It's only been a couple of years that you are no longer able to do Contract for Deed.

What's pissing me off right now is that you can no longer do an owner finance on your property if it isn't your primary residence AND you can no longer use 'private money' to purchase investment property unless the person you are borrowing the money from is a registered lender.  That is complete and utter BS.  This is national and not state.

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So, grandma can't loan you her money at 5% to purchase your new home, huh? That'll really probably hurt DUmmies more than conservatives. ....and you're right, that's utter BS.

On second thought, that may be to hurt conservatives more. Very few DUmmies have any great amount of money and wouldn't try to help their kids in a constructive way anyway.....knowing they're not likely to get their money back from their worthless kids. Conservatives on the other hand have raised their kids to take responsibilities seriously and want to help their kids get off with a good start....hence the DUmmie meme about the evil rich having an advantage....and the playing field isn't level.



 
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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 10:50:12 AM »
So, grandma can't loan you her money at 5% to purchase your new home, huh? That'll really probably hurt DUmmies more than conservatives. ....and you're right, that's utter BS.

On second thought, that may be to hurt conservatives more. Very few DUmmies have any great amount of money and wouldn't try to help their kids in a constructive way anyway.....knowing they're not likely to get their money back from their worthless kids. Conservatives on the other hand have raised their kids to take responsibilities seriously and want to help their kids get off with a good start....hence the DUmmie meme about the evil rich having an advantage....and the playing field isn't level. 

I use private money to purchase my rent homes.  It is easier to get, it doesn't come with a lot of closing costs (IE; I don't have to pay for surveys, appraisals, loan processing, underwriting, origination fee, PMI, etc ...), I can structure it they way both parties want it structured and it doesn't come up on my credit when it gets pulled for other purchases.  I can also purchase as many homes as I like!  Plus I can get loans for really small home purchases.  Finding regular lenders to loan you $15,000 or $20,000 is not going to happen and even if you do the closing costs are going to end up being 20% of the loan value.

If you use regular lenders they cap you at 10 homes.  As it stands right now I can go to regular lenders for other homes and they won't see all the other homes I'm already buying.

Yeah, this is just stupid government stuff to keep the idiots from 'hurting' themselves then blaming it on someone else.  I have several rent homes and I am not allowed to owner finance them unless I go take some classes and get registered (which I'm going to end up doing).

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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 10:56:29 AM »
Here in Texas that is probably referred to as 'Contract for Deed' and those things are a nightmare.  You can really screw folks bad.  It's only been a couple of years that you are no longer able to do Contract for Deed.

What's pissing me off right now is that you can no longer do an owner finance on your property if it isn't your primary residence AND you can no longer use 'private money' to purchase investment property unless the person you are borrowing the money from is a registered lender.  That is complete and utter BS.  This is national and not state.

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I believe you can still get a personal loan from someone, ya just can't stipulate it is for real estate. It's none of anyone's business what you do with the money afterward.

Oh, and you can use the house as collateral after the fact!
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 11:18:39 AM »
I believe you can still get a personal loan from someone, ya just can't stipulate it is for real estate. It's none of anyone's business what you do with the money afterward.

Oh, and you can use the house as collateral after the fact!

Not if you're closing at a Title Co.  I wouldn't close it with out title search/insurance.

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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 11:47:27 AM »
Not if you're closing at a Title Co.  I wouldn't close it with out title search/insurance.

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Why, wouldn't you have cash in hand, so to speak, for the full price? The loan would then be paid back to the investor using the house as collateral. Private financing between two individuals is legal, no matter what the fine print is.
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Re: old primitive being carefull
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 05:34:23 PM »
Why, wouldn't you have cash in hand, so to speak, for the full price? The loan would then be paid back to the investor using the house as collateral. Private financing between two individuals is legal, no matter what the fine print is.

The problem comes about because those I'm borrowing from are using the home as collateral.  If they don't get put on the the deed of trust they have nothing.  They aren't protected.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 05:53:39 PM »
The problem comes about because those I'm borrowing from are using the home as collateral.  If they don't get put on the the deed of trust they have nothing.  They aren't protected.

KC

What if you include it in the contract between you and them? For instance, it could read somethin' like "assets comparable to x amount of $:". Know what ah mean?

I know if one defaults there is always recourse to pretty much take damn near everything ya own. Happens in divorce all the time, up to and includin' the house!
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 09:16:08 AM »
What if you include it in the contract between you and them? For instance, it could read somethin' like "assets comparable to x amount of $:". Know what ah mean?

I know if one defaults there is always recourse to pretty much take damn near everything ya own. Happens in divorce all the time, up to and includin' the house!

I don't know if that would work or not ....  Real Property is a horse of a different color in some transactions.  I'll give it some thought.

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