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Liberalism Is The Philosophy Of The Stupid

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Roy Spencer...Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He was also a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.

http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm

You were saying TNO?

As far as I know, Roy Spencer is not associated with the OISM.
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Fred Seitz may be a PhD and a celebrated scientist but he is also close to 100 years old.

Ahh, now it's his age. How many times are you going to move these ****in' goal posts?
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Nasa officials have admitted that for the past seven years they have used the wrong temperature statistics to assess global warming trends.

The mistake was spotted by a blogger, and forced Nasa to declare that last year was only the fourth-hottest year on record in the United States, rather than the third hottest.

Climate scientists were insistent yesterday that the flawed data had a negligible effect on global warming statistics, and none at all on the overall warming trend.

The figures related to temperature readings in the US, which scientists at the Nasa Goddard Institute of Space Science had neglected to adjust to be compatible with other readings. The changes meant that, on average, Nasa’s figures on US temperatures since 2000 had been too high by up to 0.15C (0.27F).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2274346.ece
Liberalism Is The Philosophy Of The Stupid

The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



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Too bad you can't try the same routine on the source I used.

I've never suggested that all scientists who have studied global warming are in agreement about what is causing it.
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Wild-eyed socialists crackpots who all share the same goal of destroying the economy of the USA = Climate experts

Reasonable climate scientists who disprove the socialist crackpots' "theory" = Enemy of Mankind

Go figure.  ::)

Neither Fred Seitz nor Arthur B. Robinson, the scientist who conducted the study which Seitz uses as the basis for his opinion on climate change, are climate scientists. Go figure.

Since you don't really have any scientific grounding in this area, I will just let you know that a PhD in Physics more then justifies an opinion on climate change.

The entire climate system is based off of physics.  Meteorology as a whole is nothing more then a subsect of Physics.

And as for your remark about his age really holds no grounds.  Until you can come up with some doctors reports about dementia or the like, your just pissing in the wind.
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As far as I know, Roy Spencer is not associated with the OISM.

No but he is a climatologist.  And he says the whole man made Global Warming thing is a steaming pile of BS.

Just like the people you are trying to discredit.
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The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



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In the mean time, I would still like you to explain how that source of yours "proves" that Frederick Seitz is mentally imbalanced.

The opinions of those who employed Fred Seitz don't prove anything, but they are enough for me to make a judgement about the man and they should be enough to cause everyone to question what he says about scientific matters such as global warming.



And my old employer (manager) thinks I'm an asshole with a bad attitude.  Doesn't necessarily make it so.

And it certainly doesn't qualify someone with an axe to grind against a subordinate.
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Fred Seitz may be a PhD and a celebrated scientist but he is also close to 100 years old.

Ahh, now it's his age. How many times are you going to move these ****in' goal posts?

As many as it takes until we all just throw up our hands and refuse to debate his ignorant ass.
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Ahh, now it's his age. How many times are you going to move these ******' goal posts?

I'm trying to be delicate. The fact that Fred Seitz is very elderly makes the claim that he is "not sufficiently rational" highly plausible.
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Ahh, now it's his age. How many times are you going to move these ******' goal posts?

I'm trying to be delicate. The fact that Fred Seitz is very elderly makes the claim that he is "not sufficiently rational" highly plausible.

And yet liberals revere the opinions of geriatrics like Ted Kennedy, Robert "Sheets" Byrd, and Mike Wallace, for starters.
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I'm trying to be delicate.

That would be a first. :rotf:
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If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



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And yet liberals revere the opinions of geriatrics like Ted Kennedy, Robert "Sheets" Byrd, and Mike Wallace, for starters.

I try be respectful of elders. That said, I wouldn't have difficulty believing the claim that Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, and Mike Wallace are not all there mentally.
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The greatest argument against Worldwide Warming is the fact liberals support the "theory".  It is widely known to all thinking people that everything supported by liberals is anti-humanity and dishonest.  Everything.  No exceptions.    

Any goal pushed by liberals is automatically suspect, accordingly.  The harder liberals push for a goal and try to deny other voices a chance to expose the liberals goal, the more dishonest and anti-humanity is the liberals goal.  This is not a theory.  It is reality and factual history.

Remember above all:  Liberalism, a known proved failure, would not exist without lies and deceit.  Lies and deceit are the foundation on which all liberalism is built.  

 

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Time Magazine June 24, 1974:


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Telltale signs are everywhere —from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F. Although that figure is at best an estimate, it is supported by other convincing data. When Climatologist George J. Kukla of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory and his wife Helena analyzed satellite weather data for the Northern Hemisphere, they found that the area of the ice and snow cover had suddenly increased by 12% in 1971 and the increase has persisted ever since. Areas of Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, for example, were once totally free of any snow in summer; now they are covered year round.


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html
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If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



Palin has run a state, a town and a commercial fishing operation. Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth. - Mark Steyn

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I would tend to believe a man that accomplished, who was born in 1911, over some idiot like Gore or some 40 Y/O PhD. He's observed this planet's climate for almost 100 years.....in person.
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More from the Time Article:


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As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

Liberalism Is The Philosophy Of The Stupid

The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

If it walks like a donkey and brays like a donkey and smells like a donkey - it's Cold Warrior.  - PoliCon



Palin has run a state, a town and a commercial fishing operation. Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth. - Mark Steyn

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As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.


Which thye've been predicting since I was in Highschool back in the late 60's/early 70's

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TNO, where the **** is that global warming at you are screaming about? I just went out to walk my dog and get cigarettes and soda...it's 6 degrees out with a windchill of -16. Where is it, because I could sure use some!

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TNO, where the **** is that global warming at you are screaming about? I just went out to walk my dog and get cigarettes and soda...it's 6 degrees out with a windchill of -16. Where is it, because I could sure use some!

I think it was -31 this morning in Fargo, ND. A record.
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TNO, where the **** is that global warming at you are screaming about? I just went out to walk my dog and get cigarettes and soda...it's 6 degrees out with a windchill of -16. Where is it, because I could sure use some!

Silly, it is no longer global warming, it's "Global Climate Change TM".

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TNO, where the **** is that global warming at you are screaming about? I just went out to walk my dog and get cigarettes and soda...it's 6 degrees out with a windchill of -16. Where is it, because I could sure use some!

I think it was -31 this morning in Fargo, ND. A record.

Damn that Global Warming, huh?  :lmao:

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Mr. Owl,

Why do you bother? Honestly. No one here finds you the least bit credible. You never argue facts, you attack the messenger. When you do get backed into a corner, you simply ignore it and build another straw man. Do you do this so you can go back to what ever liberal board you call home with a sackful of bouncy stories? If guilt by association were enough to taint a person's credibility (and I certainly hope the irony of anyone on the left citing RJ Reynolds as a credible source hasn't escaped you), then those pictures of Algore with Democrat Fred Phelps, Clinton worshiping at the feet of Fulbright, Byrd's association with the KKK, and Kerry's pushing fake atrocity stories by fake vets would've sent them to the dustbin of history a long time ago.

The fact is global cooling was all the rage when I was growing up. You couldn't open a newspaper or an issue of TIME without some reference to it. We discussed it in science class. It was dire. The world was going to end. Pardon those of us who remain skeptical of the hysteria, but we've seen this before. Suddenly because there's "consensus" that's supposed to matter? Used to be there was "consensus" that the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. If consensus was all it took, we'd still believe those things. Just because Heidi the Weather Channel Bimbo says scientists who don't believe in Global Warming (oops, I mean Global Climate Change...want to be accurate for when the goal post is moved to support the latest drooling hysteria yet again) should be banished from the scientific community doesn't make her an "expert".

Most of those going against the current hysteria are willing to look further back in the earth's history than a few decades or even a few hundred years. Whether you subscribe to an earth that's only a few thousand years old or one that's billions of years old, tracking back decades or even a couple hundred years is hardly enough to declare the planet doomed. How fricking arrogant and self-centered does a species have to be to think that they've had that big of an impact in the short time they've inhabited the planet. Or that mother nature (I won't use the "G" word...promise) isn't tough enough to handle whatever we can dish out. It's not like those on the right haven't studied your arguments. We're inundated with them on a daily basis, we don't have much choice. That being the case, we have to research more deeply to find the other side. And there are credible arguments against the end of the world. That used to be the way things worked...scientists WANTED to be scrutinized and challenged...today they want to pretend they're the second coming. Science unchallenged is simply sociology for biology majors.

Which brings us to that all important "peer reviewed" thingy. When "the peers" all drink from the same kool-aid, it's kind of hard to get in their cute little publications. I bet Galileo's article on the earth revolving around the sun probably wouldn't have found it's way into the 16th century peer reviewed "Astronomy Times Magazine" either. So what? It used to be scientists appreciated challenging one another. Peer reviewed didn't mean "we all think alike", it meant this is based on sound, scientific principles. What we have today would be sort of like the Academy of Motion Pictures choosing the Oscar winners from their own membership pool...oh wait! So, until you're willing to deal with the CONTENT of those arguments that don't support your POV instead of attacking everything but you have absolutely no credibility.

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Mr. Owl,

Why do you bother? Honestly. No one here finds you the least bit credible. You never argue facts, you attack the messenger. When you do get backed into a corner, you simply ignore it and build another straw man. Do you do this so you can go back to what ever liberal board you call home with a sackful of bouncy stories? If guilt by association were enough to taint a person's credibility (and I certainly hope the irony of anyone on the left citing RJ Reynolds as a credible source hasn't escaped you), then those pictures of Algore with Democrat Fred Phelps, Clinton worshiping at the feet of Fulbright, Byrd's association with the KKK, and Kerry's pushing fake atrocity stories by fake vets would've sent them to the dustbin of history a long time ago.

The fact is global cooling was all the rage when I was growing up. You couldn't open a newspaper or an issue of TIME without some reference to it. We discussed it in science class. It was dire. The world was going to end. Pardon those of us who remain skeptical of the hysteria, but we've seen this before. Suddenly because there's "consensus" that's supposed to matter? Used to be there was "consensus" that the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. If consensus was all it took, we'd still believe those things. Just because Heidi the Weather Channel Bimbo says scientists who don't believe in Global Warming (oops, I mean Global Climate Change...want to be accurate for when the goal post is moved to support the latest drooling hysteria yet again) should be banished from the scientific community doesn't make her an "expert".

Most of those going against the current hysteria are willing to look further back in the earth's history than a few decades or even a few hundred years. Whether you subscribe to an earth that's only a few thousand years old or one that's billions of years old, tracking back decades or even a couple hundred years is hardly enough to declare the planet doomed. How fricking arrogant and self-centered does a species have to be to think that they've had that big of an impact in the short time they've inhabited the planet. Or that mother nature (I won't use the "G" word...promise) isn't tough enough to handle whatever we can dish out. It's not like those on the right haven't studied your arguments. We're inundated with them on a daily basis, we don't have much choice. That being the case, we have to research more deeply to find the other side. And there are credible arguments against the end of the world. That used to be the way things worked...scientists WANTED to be scrutinized and challenged...today they want to pretend they're the second coming. Science unchallenged is simply sociology for biology majors.

Which brings us to that all important "peer reviewed" thingy. When "the peers" all drink from the same kool-aid, it's kind of hard to get in their cute little publications. I bet Galileo's article on the earth revolving around the sun probably wouldn't have found it's way into the 16th century peer reviewed "Astronomy Times Magazine" either. So what? It used to be scientists appreciated challenging one another. Peer reviewed didn't mean "we all think alike", it meant this is based on sound, scientific principles. What we have today would be sort of like the Academy of Motion Pictures choosing the Oscar winners from their own membership pool...oh wait! So, until you're willing to deal with the CONTENT of those arguments that don't support your POV instead of attacking everything but you have absolutely no credibility.

Cindie



You opened it.

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