The National Anthem, in the 3rd verse, calls 4 the execution of black slaves

[98ZJUSMC]

   Oy.  Here's the stanza, quoted by the retard:

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8141142

The "usual suspects"

malaise  (a given, given Tess's research )
Warpy

run around and Hi-5 each other, until:

LittleDuckie (33 posts)
3. No, it doesn't. Learn to read. nt

Nothing in there.

NuclearDem (16,135 posts)
9. Oh for crying out loud, no it doesn't.

Even if it did, nobody sings it anyway or really gives a shit about it except people who are just looking for things to get all fainting-couch over.

Maeve (29,471 posts)
10. While not denying Keys was a racist,  Of course, everyone is    the words have another meaning

In 18th-19th century poetic, political terms, "hirelings and slaves" referred to mercenaries and impressed (forced) troops; such were commonly used by the British empire at the time and disdained in comparison to free men willingly fighting for a cause. You can find the terms in Irish literature, where 'slaves' were also those who were oppressed but refused to stand and throw off their chains, as 'true men' would. (Victim blaming goes way back in human history.) It's a lot easier to disdain the oppressed when you are one of the oppressors.
That may explain to some extent why the verse got less notice than you might expect, but it's also a lousy lyric with confusing grammar and was (IMHO) properly dropped from most versions.

Ahh, victim blaming.....  It just had to be.

Star Member Nye Bevan (25,263 posts)
13. I'm going to stop standing for the third verse (nt)

 

Separation (1,085 posts)
15. I hazily remember this verse being talked about in high school once.

What is an interesting question then, is. During the Battle of 1812 they were looking to use freed slaves in their battle plan. Whay just some 50 years later did they side with the south?

No you don't.  Shut up.

GulfCoast66 (1,190 posts)
18. I do not agree

Americans were volunteers fighting mercenaries(hirelings) and impressed soldiers(slaves). The same terminology was used in the revolution.

It is a comparison between the virtuous American and the evil British.

And all this talk about changing it is risky. Because we all know that if the decision was made to change it the new Anthem would be 'God Bless America'

melman (1,463 posts)
25. No it doesn't

But who needs reality when you've got phony internet outrage.

You, are not long for the island.

Egnever (17,758 posts)
45. Well that is a pretty hyperbolic description

Ya' think?

but an interesting bit of history none the less.

On acid, maybe.......

[Delmar]

Response to kpete (Original post)Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:38 PM
onenote (26,898 posts)
47. And now that you know that your post is inaccurate you stay silent.

Hmmmmmm.....

Response to onenote (Reply #47)Sat Sep 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
B2G (6,970 posts)
55. KPete only posts, never discusses his posts.

It's easier that way.

Easier still when you only copied and pasted to begin with.

[SVPete]

Response to kpete (Original post)Fri Sep 2, 2016, 11:38 PM
onenote (26,898 posts)
47. And now that you know that your post is inaccurate you stay silent.

Hmmmmmm.....

Response to onenote (Reply #47)Sat Sep 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
B2G (6,970 posts)
55. KPete only posts, never discusses his posts.

It's easier that way.

Does kp post anything besides memes circulating on Facebook? Actually responding would require something like thinking.

1.) Except to a victimologist, the phrase, in context, is obviously metaphor, not a call for slaves to be killed (if it were, why no recorded event of slaves being slaughtered, and how were there still slaves 50 years later?).

2.) Francis Scott Key was an ardent supporter of slavery, to the extent of prosecuting (Key was a lawyer and a DA) a relative of an Abolitionist publisher for possessing Abolitionist literature. Whether Key was a racist or just supported the institution of slavery, is an interesting question. As a young adult, Key owned about a half dozen slaves, but later came to manumit (= legally free) them. That, to me, seems a rather odd thing for a racist to do.

[Carl]

Rich bitch Kathleen Peterson likely has many illegal hirelings to maintain her lavish home at minimum wage. 

[SVPete]

Rich bitch Kathleen Peterson likely has many illegal hirelings to maintain her lavish home at minimum wage.

That high?

[BamaMoose]

We really need an historian's take on this.  Where's Nadin when we need her?

[SVPete]

We really need an historian's take on this.  Where's Nadin when we need her?

I think she's on self-exile from JPR, and through a surrogate learned that her welcome -back at DU would be less than warm. Maybe she's hanging out at ThinkRegress or HuffPo or Salon.

[CollectivismMustDie]

We really need an historian's take on this.  Where's Nadin when we need her?

Shes busy pre-peanutbuttering her footwear and removing grass from the autofocus of the good rig with one hand and performing an emergency tracheotomy using a sharpened  improvised instrument (petrified waffle) with the other hand, while dodging gunfire.



CMD

[franksolich]

You know, I read an accurate translation of the French national anthem, La Marseillaise, and my hair stood up on end.

It's full of blood and gore and violence and murder, making the French Revolution itself look like an English country garden tea party.