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ProSense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 11:00 AMTHE UNBANNABLE PRIMITIVEOriginal message Sherrod Brown: Boehner asked right questions on Libya House Speaker John Boehner’s strongly worded letter to President Obama on the U.S. mission in Libya asked the “right questions,†Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said Thursday.<...>Those are the some of the same issues Boehner (R-Ohio) told the president, in a two-page letter sent Wednesday night, he wants addressed."I think the questions Speaker Boehner asked were generally legitimate questions — I think they were the right questions," Brown said.But Brown suggested Obama need not answer all those questions in as much detail as Boehner demanded.
jdadd (850 posts) Thu Mar-24-11 11:12 AMResponse to Original message 1. Boehner's like my broken watch.... Right time twice a day,but the date is only right once a month....
ProSense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 11:32 AMTHE UNTOUCHABLE PRIMITIVEResponse to Original message 2. Beohner can ask all the questions he wants to President Obama acted under the U.N. Charter and fulfilled the War Powers Act requirements: Consulted with Congress, notified Congress within 48 hours and now has 60 days to submit a report.Irony: Imagine if these questions were applied to the Afghanistan war, especially in light of Congress' recent vote to allow it to continue.
MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 11:57 AMResponse to Reply #2 3. And it still doesn't excuse the point that Pres. Obama made the wrong decision in Libya So your argument is Bush was wrong (and he was) so it permissible for Obama to make a bum decision?
ProSense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 12:02 PMTHE PRIMITIVE WITH LIFETIME TENURE ON SKINS'S ISLANDResponse to Reply #3 4. Who said he made the wrong decision? That's an opinion. Senator Brown didn't say that.Asking question is Congress' job.
MrTriumph (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 02:18 PMResponse to Reply #4 8. I said he made the wrong decision. One of many.
Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-25-11 05:54 AMResponse to Reply #8 13. and I say he made the right decision, one of many. So my opinion would cancel yours out yes? Well, not really, but an opinion is not a fact so who knows which one of us have the right one
yurbud (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 12:25 PMResponse to Reply #2 5. even if it was done within the letter of the law, there are still legitimate questions about priorities.Military action doesn't have to rise to an impeachable offense to merit questioning.I for one would like to hear the president say honestly that our interest there is oil, and American oil companies access to it.I suspect neither he nor Bush have gone there because the logical follow up questions might be:Would we still get the oil if we weren't there?If a new drug dealer kills the old one, does he still want to sell to his biggest customer?Who will profit from our military stabilizing the country for oil companies?The oil companies, the defense companies that replace the cruise missiles, and those contracted to rebuild the country.Will those profits benefit the American people or even pay for the military action?ExxonMobil paid zero taxes in 2009, so don't hold your breath waiting for a thank you check from them, or expect a thank you in the price at the gas pump.
sad sally (626 posts) Thu Mar-24-11 01:52 PMResponse to Reply #5 6. As evidenced in the price of oil, speculators sure seem to favor this unrest and fear. Both their profits on the stock market and those of oil companies are booming and truth be known, probably don't mind if this shut-down of Libyan oil, which mainly went to Europe, continues. Means Europeans will look at US sources, which in turn raises the prices we pay. A good deal for all the greedy bastards.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 02:02 PMTHE PRIMITIVE WHO'LL NEVER KNOW GRANITEResponse to Reply #5 7. "Who will profit from our military stabilizing the country for oil companies?" Oil companies from around the world are already in Libya.ExxonMobil signs PSA with Libya National OilWhy do you think that BushCo propped up Gaddafi?Why Gaddafi's Now a Good Guy<...>At the time, it may have sounded like the typical ramblings of the Libyan leader. But now, a year later, Gaddafi and Bush do apparently see eye to eye. On Monday, Gaddafi accomplished one of history's great diplomatic turnarounds when Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice announced that the U.S. was restoring full diplomatic relations with Libya and held up the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya as "a model" for others to follow. Rice attributed the ending of the U.S.'s long break in diplomatic relations to Gaddafi's historic decision in 2003 to dismantle weapons of mass destruction and renounce terrorism as well as Libya's "excellent cooperation in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001." <...>The Libya no-fly zone is not about oil.Human Rights Watch.Update: The Security Council voted on March 17 to impose a no-fly zone over Libya and authorized the use of “all necessary measures†to protect civilians, with the exception of foreign occupation. In response, Human Rights Watch Executive Director Kenneth Roth said: “For the second time in a month, the Security Council has defied expectations and risen to the occasion by making clear that all options are on the table to prevent mass atrocities in Libya. We hope that from now on, the Security Council will consistently live up to its duty to protect civilians in Libya and beyond.â€(New York) - The Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's violent crackdown on protests and his long record of serious abuses raise grave concerns for the safety of the civilian population in Benghazi and other eastern cities as the fighting in Libya shifts eastward, Human Rights Watch said today. The international community, and especially the UN Security Council meeting on March 17, 2011, has a responsibility to use necessary and appropriate measures to protect civilians from large-scale atrocities, Human Rights Watch said. "Libyan security forces' possible capture of Benghazi heightens concerns of more abuses as we've seen elsewhere in Libya, including killings and disappearances," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. "The world should not ignore the serious abuses by Libyan security forces over the past month, as well as Gaddafi's demonstrated disregard for human rights over four decades." <...>Amnesty InternationalHave Libyan forces been respecting international humanitarian law?Amnesty International is troubled by reports that Libyan government forces have been bombarding rebel-held cities and towns, including through the use of artillery. In a densely populated urban environment, artillery cannot be used in a way that properly distinguishes between civilians and fighters. Its persistent use in these circumstances violates the prohibition on indiscriminate attack. There have also been unconfirmed reports that Libyan airstrikes directly targeted civilians or were indiscriminate. Amnesty International is still working to verify these reports. We have received worrying reports of ongoing shelling or air strikes in several towns and villages where civilians are likely to have been at risk, and which are effectively cut off from the rest of the world because telephone networks have been disconnected. There are serious concerns for the fate of the population trapped in these areas.While the use of aircraft to attack military targets may be legitimate, attacking forces must adhere strictly to the rules that safeguard civilians. Under no circumstances can they carry out attacks which directly target civilians or are indiscriminate or disproportionate.<...>What is Amnesty International calling for from al-Gaddafi's Government?Colonel al-Gaddafi must immediately rein in his security forces and end killings, enforced disappearances and other human rights violations. He should disclose the names of all those whom his forces are holding and where they are held and allow international access to ensure their safety and well-being.<...>
BNN: White Proposes Massive Government Modernization Program Washington DC - An of-the-cuff criticism by Speaker of the House John Boener has led to a massive government modernization proposal by the Obama administration.Speaking to reporters concerning Obama's decision to resume military tribunals at the Guantanamo Bay naval facility Boehner was reported to comment, "even broken clocks are right twice a day."That immediately created a sense of urgency within the White House that is particularly sensitive to negative portrayals of the president to the press by his critics. The result was a survey of all timekeeping devices within the federal executive departments.That survey, in turn, revealed that many of the mechanical clocks within various government agencies had in fact stopped working."We simply cannot fulfill the mandate given us by the American people with the outdated clocks we inherited," noted press secretary Jay Carney. "The president has decided this program is the right program at the right time."With the political winds at their back the administration has proposed a $60 billion effort to replace all broken mechanical clocks with non-functioning digital clocks."We need to let the American people we serve them with only the highest technological inoperative equipment their tax dollars can buy," Mr. Carney stated. "I think it is what they've come to expect from their government and this is the administration to bring it to them."
ProSense (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-24-11 11:32 AMTHE UNTOUCHABLE PRIMITIVEResponse to Original message2. Beohner can ask all the questions he wants toPresident Obama acted under the U.N. Charter and fulfilled the War Powers Act requirements: Consulted with Congress, notified Congress within 48 hours and now has 60 days to submit a report.Irony: Imagine if these questions were applied to the Afghanistan war, especially in light of Congress' recent vote to allow it to continue.
