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Current Events => Terrorism In the US and Around the World => Topic started by: bijou on November 05, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
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At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base's public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.
The official would not give his name nor additional details. It was unknown whether victims are soldiers or civilians. One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said.
The base was reportedly on lockdown. Two nearby school districts were also being locked down."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
No more details as yet.
http://www.foxnews.com/
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FNC and Shep Smith is saying 7 killed, 12 wounded. Two suspects in custody. The suspects were "wearing Army fatigues," so that could mean old BDUs or ACUs.
Prayers for the victims. The one word that has not been spoken is "terrorism."
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"BREAKING NEWS
msnbc.com news services
updated 2 minutes ago
At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base's public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.
The official would not give his name nor additional details. It was unknown whether victims are soldiers or civilians. One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said.
The base was reportedly on lockdown. Two nearby school districts were also being locked down." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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I also posted this, with slightly more details. Could a mod merge my thread into this?
One shooter in custody, one on the loose, according to Shep Smith a few seconds ago.
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Only one in custody.....they are looking for the other one.
Not known if suspects are actually Army.
Post is on lockdown.
Prayers for the families of those killed and those injured and their families......
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I hope and pray that is not the case but my gut tells me differant
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Mods--could you merge this with bijou's thread?
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KCEN in Waco is reporting that there's a gunman holed up in a building on post.
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Fox is reporting that local news is saying there may be TWO shooters still on the loose.
Happened at the welcome center....
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Live local news link stream.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/subindex/community/chat
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Damn. I used to stomp around on that post.
Prayers out for the victims and their families. :taps:
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News helicopter is in the air, headed for live scene....
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FBI is headed there too....
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Saying the third shooter was at the Px
:thatsright:
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Third shooter is being called "active shooter"...
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Rep John Carter(R) is on Fox.
He said "1 soldier could be a "berserk soldier", 2 could be "berserk soldier".....3 is a planned attack. And who are they?"
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Good God. I have people there. Can someone please provide update when available? I can't get streaming vids at work, or you tube or audio.
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I hope they catch who ever is responsible before more innocent lives are lost prayers up for the families who do not know and for those lost
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Good God. I have people there. Can someone please provide update when available? I can't get streaming vids at work, or you tube or audio.
There aren't many confirmed details to add, it is on lockdown so the media is not updating much.
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Good God. I have people there. Can someone please provide update when available? I can't get streaming vids at work, or you tube or audio.
Now reporting 20 injured....
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I just confirmed my buddy and his wife were ok, so I feel better for them, but jeez. Just damn.
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I just confirmed my buddy and his wife were ok, so I feel better for them, but jeez. Just damn.
Ft. Hood, Killeen, Harker Heights, and Copperas Cove occupy a lot of real estate in central Texas.
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"Military fatigues" is a very vague statement. Are they in ACU's? BDU's? OD Greens? Not saying it's not a couple of disgruntled troops, but that information could help. It's not hard to get onto Ft. Hood and bypass security. It's a pretty big f'n post.
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Ft. Hood, Killeen, Harker Heights, and Copperas Cove occupy a lot of real estate in central Texas.
They sure do. My peeps live on post, but it is still a huge post. Just glad to hear from them. It has been a rocky few years for us. We lost 3, would like to keep this 'un around a little longer.
edited for proper terminology.
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Aaaaargh.
Picking nits here, in a really serious subject, but it's a pet peeve of mine:
ATTENTION ON DECK - especially to the asshat media
Be it known that the U.S. Army refers to its installations as posts. Exceptions do occur in foreign lands, but in the continental US, Army installations are posts.
U.S. Marines, U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Air Force refer to their installations as bases.
That is all.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78425.html
Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles and began about 1:30 p.m. Central time at Howze Theater on the base, then moved to the sports complex, where the graduation ceremony honroing soldiers who had obtained degrees from extension schools was scheduled to begin at 2 p.m
?? Does that mean anything or nothing yet? Pardon my ignorence.
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Aaaaargh.
Picking nits here, in a really serious subject, but it's a pet peeve of mine:
ATTENTION ON DECK - especially to the asshat media
Be it known that the U.S. Army refers to its installations as posts. Exceptions do occur in foreign lands, but in the continental US, Army installations are posts.
U.S. Marines, U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Air Force refer to their installations as bases.
That is all.
I thought I was the only one anal about that fact :heart:
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This is right up the road (in Texas vernacular) from where I live.....about 75 miles and the report we are getting on our local radio coverage is that there were THREE people. The radio news people have been dancing around it without saying actually it IS a terrorist attack of some kind but it DOES seem strange if THREE men were involved. You sadly have deranged people from time to time going on killing sprees and MAYBE there might be two people involved - although it isn't likely. But THREE deranged people acting together?
My question is...If they ARE terrorists of some kind. How in the name of all that is holy did they manage to get on a MILITARY BASE? The radio report said they were in military fatigues.
I also learned something I did not know. Did you know that Ft. Hood is THE largest military installation in the WORLD? Must admit I did not realize that.
Prayers for all the victims and their families.
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Well, there is no place in America with fewer people per capita packing, than a military installation. Cops only.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/78425.html
?? Does that mean anything or nothing yet? Pardon my ignorence.
No. It's fairly easy to obtain an AR-15. A lot of details have been left out. Were they firing full auto? Burst? Was it an AR-15 or a Carb-15 (retractable or fixed stock)?
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There was a graduation ceremony today, so a lot of people would have been coming and going. That makes it look planned.
Fort Hood spokeswoman: 1 shooter in custody, at least 2 gunmen believed involved in attack.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2009/11/05/one_shooter_in_custody_associa.html
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up to 30 are injured.
Fox clarified some time ago that the Army has "posts"...the rest of the military has "bases"....
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No. It's fairly easy to obtain an AR-15. A lot of details have been left out. Were they firing full auto? Burst? Was it an AR-15 or a Carb-15 (retractable or fixed stock)?
Thank you sir. I know nothing more gunwise, only what was at the link.
I did here from my local FOX station that the FBI has ruled out terrorism. (reported by Cavuto when FOX News broke into the network... I don't have cable)
Hannity just said, the POTUS will speak shortly.
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Cavuto just said that the death toll is now nine.
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Aaaaargh.
Picking nits here, in a really serious subject, but it's a pet peeve of mine:
ATTENTION ON DECK - especially to the asshat media
Be it known that the U.S. Army refers to its installations as posts. Exceptions do occur in foreign lands, but in the continental US, Army installations are posts.
U.S. Marines, U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and U.S. Air Force refer to their installations as bases.
That is all.
:thatsright: Good God! Was that me? It was me. And I KNOW BETTER!!!! I am going to blame it on a frantic post, while talking on the phone. OMG. Mea Culpa. :bow:
That pisses me off, and I did it. (I also have the same issue about half-staff/half-mast.)
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Some regular updates here http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199481.php
UPDATE: Tom Elia reporting that "shooting started at the House Theater and then moved to an athletic complex."
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Twitter link of all things but it's NBC's Chuck Todd...
More from NBC's Pete Williams: US official says early reports are the man in custody is in the military, late 30s, with officer rank.
http://twitter.com/chucktodd/statuses/5460581439
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A LTG from Hood is now saying 12 dead, one shooter dead, two other suspects in custody (on FNC).
The general went on to say that all of the suspects were/are soldiers.
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I spent 4+ years at Hood. This is sad.
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up to 30 are injured.
Fox clarified some time ago that the Army has "posts"...the rest of the military has "bases"....
Thanks, deb. At least Fox is paying attention.
*grumble.....*
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Some regular updates here http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/199481.php
that should be "Howze" Theater.
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12 KIA 31 WIA. One shooter dead...two others in custody.
Just damn.
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12 KIA 31 WIA. One shooter dead...two others in custody.
Just damn.
Prayers Up.
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A senior administration official told NBC News analyst Roger Cressey that the suspect who was in custody was an Army major with an Arabic-sounding name. The official said the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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al-Qaeda has been trying for years to infiltrate operatives into the armed services.
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The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
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Drudge names shooter
Shooter: Major Malik Nadal Hasan...
However I checked link and did not see the name there...
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
However, the ABC link from Drudge is a page with a dozen or more sub links.
On edit:
It was there. It's just that all that was there was a name. (for now)
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Why did FBI rule out terrorism so quickly?
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Why did FBI rule out terrorism so quickly?
It's terrorism whether it's domestic or foreign.
KC
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12 dead now..
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Pinning this up top for now.
Do we have anybody at Fort Hood or are all our Cavefolk elsewhere?
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Malik Nadal Hasan
Rot in hell traitor.
This nation has done more for muslims than they could ever do for themselves and we haven't asked for anything in return.
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It's terrorism whether it's domestic or foreign.
KC
Good point.
Apparently a convert to Islam, and an apparent jihad attack has taken place at Ft. Hood.
Twelve dead, thirty wounded in what was apparently an attack coordinated between two or three gunmen -- belying the post-traumatic stress syndrome spin playing out in the mainstream media.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/ft-hood-shooter-maj-malik-nadal-hassan.html
Not to belabor the point (which is 100% correct) and please take note of the word "apparently" above.
On edit:
Twitter again... http://twitter.com/GartensteinRoss/statuses/5461627682
ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.
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Major Malik Nadal Hasan
Damned Irish. That being said, hope the other two are identified and fry, but only after giving up everything they know.
Waterboarding is the least of their worries at this point.
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Damned Irish. That being said, hope the other two are identified and fry, but only after giving up everything they know.
Waterboarding is the least of their worries at this point.
I would hope. But with this administration we'll just be given more racial tolerance and EO classes.
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We need to round up all of these muslims and ****ing incarcerate them in internment camps. I know it don't sound right, but they have nothing but ill wishes for this country. (http://usmilnet.com/smf/Smileys/default/minigun.gif)
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There's a lot of things going through my head right now that would surely get me banned or put on a long timeout. I think I'm just going home, because if someone says one ****ing negative word about the victims, that person is going to end up spitting teeth.
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There's a lot of things going through my head right now that would surely get me banned or put on a long timeout. I think I'm just going home, because if someone says one ****ing negative word about the victims, that person is going to end up spitting teeth.
No one here is going to say a negative word. Even our trolls aren't that freaking stupid.
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I want to know the names of the other two suspects.
Fox is still refusing to report the name until the Pentagon reports it.
(Shep Smith just said so)
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Strip the Muzzie naked and drag him around behind a hummer for awhile....it's the Muslim way.....then drag him out into the wilderness and let the coyotes and buzzards have him what's left.
Wonder how much debate went on in the MSM newsroom before they released that he had an "Arabic name"?
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This pisses me off.
Barack Obama Gives "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Shooting
[youtube=425,350]T0hiw8iXdMM[/youtube]
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Malik Nadal Hasan
Well color me shocked....his ethnicity is muslim. Prayers to the victims. What happens to soldiers who do this?? The ones who are in custody?
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The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The shooter was BRASS?? Wow!
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I was just getting ready to ask if anyone else had seen this.....
I am so pissed off over his first remarks....was a pr*ck. :censored: :censored: :censored:
If George Bush had done anything like this he would be crucified!!!!
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This pisses me off.
Barack Obama Gives "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Shooting
[youtube=425,350]T0hiw8iXdMM[/youtube]
Watched it, and was embarassed, not just because he was "off teleprompter", and stumbling all over, but embarassed that he spent the first five minutes of the speech talking about his conference.....with 12 American soldiers dead.......words are simply inadequate.......
doc
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al-Qaeda has been trying for years to infiltrate operatives into the armed services.
Since we now know the name of One of the culprits, I agree with this statement....and they have succeeded... :(
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I can't get the video from work...could someone summarize his reaction...or lack therof?
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OK, I was just told by someone that he was upset about being deployed to Iraq because of a family connection there or something along that line. Didn't hear it myself.
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The least that should happen now is that all Muslims be discharged from the military.
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The least that should happen now is that all Muslims be discharged from the military.
That will never happen in this PC (but dangerous) world.
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Fox has now said the name, also that the Post is still under lockdown.
Fox has reshown the clip of Obama ....it is starting at the point where he talks about Fort Hood. They aren't showing the beginning. Wonder if MSM is?
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The least that should happen now is that all Muslims be discharged from the military.
Can we disarm them all and put them on latrine duty, permanently?
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I can't get the video from work...could someone summarize his reaction...or lack therof?
It took him WAY longer than it should have to get to talking about the shooting. Had to finish giving his shout outs to to his buddies at the conference he was at.
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This pisses me off.
Barack Obama Gives "Shout-Out" Before He Comments on Shooting
[youtube=425,350]T0hiw8iXdMM[/youtube]
I was about to post the same thing. UN****INBELIEVABLE! :censored:
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Fox has now said the name, also that the Post is still under lockdown.
And it ill stay that way until the two other shooters are interrogated to find out if there are more shooters on the loose.
I did a quick check of AKO...the dead shooter was in the Medical Service Corps
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Had to finish giving his shout outs to to his buddies at the conference he was at.
Priorities. People in the military are just baby killers who hate America. These conference people are really, really important.
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And it ill stay that way until the two other shooters are interrogated to find out if there are more shooters on the loose.
I did a quick check of AKO...the dead shooter was in the Medical Service Corps
Since he was a major....was he a physician?
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OK, I was just told by someone that he was upset about being deployed to Iraq because of a family connection there or something along that line. Didn't hear it myself.
Allegations are that 3 people were involved. Friends don't side with a buddy and go on rampages because one of them doesn't want to go to war. Either they ALL didn't want to go, or there was something much more malicious. It was also planned.
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He's actually listed on AKO as Abdu Wali Hasan.
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The Republican congressman(John Carter) is on Fox now, he said he was just informed that the two suspects have been released and they *Ft Hood* are looking for another shooter, and that's why the base is still on lock down.
There is to be a news conference from Ft Hood at 6:30.. 15 minutes from now....
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And it ill stay that way until the two other shooters are interrogated to find out if there are more shooters on the loose.
I did a quick check of AKO...the dead shooter was in the Medical Service Corps
it was just reported this guy was some sort of Doctor. The Police are still looking for one suspect.
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it was just reported this guy was some sort of Doctor. The Police are still looking for one suspect.
Mental Health doc. Specializing in PTSD.
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Mental Health doc. Specializing in PTSD.
Uh...."physician, heal thy self?"
This was not a random act....it was believed to be a premeditated attack according to the military guy on Fox now..40-50 rounds shot....
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Mental health Doc.......Muslim too I hear......a Convert.......but n ot terrorism... :bs:
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The dead shooter had just PCS'd to Hood from Walter Reed Hospital here in D.C.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with the impending execution of John Allen Muhammad? Condolences to anyone who lost loved ones.
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The least that should happen now is that all Muslims be discharged from the military.
I concur for the most part
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Here is a photo of the shooter.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=7102805
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Since he was a major....was he a physician?
not as an MSC officer. they handle the admin stuff for the physicians. as a major, he was probably assistant to a brigade/division surgeon
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How does a psychiatrist turn out to be such a good shooter?
Of the ones I know....they are usually anti-gun, are a bit on the nerdy-dumpy side and usually pretty liberal.
Unless Fox is able to find out....even if this is a "terrorist" attack...Obama's government will hide it. They will turn this into a media circus for gun control, anti war, the effects of war on the human soul, etc, etc, etc.
We better hope that Fox and it's investigative members stay on this and dig...as I personally find it difficult to believe that this shrink had a psychic crack and decided to kill all his "brothers at arms" because he didn't want to be deployed.
There's more....question is....what?
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Here is a photo of the shooter.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=7102805
Hm, it looks like he might be of middle eastern descent. When they said he was a recent convert, I was thinking something else.
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not as an MSC officer. they handle the admin stuff for the physicians. as a major, he was probably assistant to a brigade/division surgeon
The news is reporting him as a psychiatrist....so he is an MD.
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not as an MSC officer. they handle the admin stuff for the physicians. as a major, he was probably assistant to a brigade/division surgeon
He was a head shrinker specializing in PTSD
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The news is reporting him as a psychiatrist....so he is an MD.
ok, just basing my guess off what trg said. if he's an md, that makes him medical corps, not medical service corps. i know, nitpicky, but there it is.
oh, and can we send this guy to SERE school? I'm sure the instructors would give him extra special instruction in waterboarding...
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ok, just basing my guess off what trg said. if he's an md, that makes him medical corps, not medical service corps. i know, nitpicky, but there it is.
oh, and can we send this guy to SERE school? I'm sure the instructors would give him extra special instruction in waterboarding...
The shooter/MD in question has assumed room temperature.
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The dead shooter it seems...had just gotten a less than stellar OER at WRACH before going to Ft. Hood.
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The dead shooter was a graduate of Va. Tech with a degree in bio chemistry and was in their ROTC program. Got his medical degree from Bethesda.
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The dead shooter was a graduate of Va. Tech with a degree in bio chemistry and was in their ROTC program. Got his medical degree from Bethesda.
Another infamy for Virginia Tech.
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Shep Smith is talking to a retired Colonel that worked with the dead shooter and has stated that the dead shooter had made comments critical of U.S. foreign policy and saying that Islam should rise up against the West.
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Shep Smith is talking to a retired Colonel that worked with the dead shooter and has stated that the dead shooter had made comments critical of U.S. foreign policy and saying that Islam should rise up against the West.
In other words, he was a ****ing liberal.
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The dead shooter it seems...had just gotten a less than stellar OER at WRACH before going to Ft. Hood.
The shooter is rumored to have been against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, a ****ing liberal--or should the noun be "lefty?"
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In other words, he was a ******* liberal.
Yup.
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Yup.
DU's already trying out several avenues to make him a martyr. I hate those assholes.
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DU's already trying out several avenues to make him a martyr. I hate those assholes.
Shep Smith is letting his cousin have air time...we don't need DU to make him sympathetic...or a martyr...it's happening right in front of me.
The cousin also just said he's always been Muslim...wasn't a convert.
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Shep Smith is letting his cousin have air time...we don't need DU to make him sympathetic...or a martyr...it's happening right in front of me.
The cousin also just said he's always been Muslim...wasn't a convert.
It's expected to here a relative defend him somewhat, but nice to hear that he wasn't a convert.
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Shep Smith is letting his cousin have air time...we don't need DU to make him sympathetic...or a martyr...it's happening right in front of me.
The cousin also just said he's always been Muslim...wasn't a convert.
Listening to it now. If I were Shep, I'd say, "Sir, with all due respect, your cousin was a murderous asshole who was too much of a ***** to kill himself only."
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http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=18503e97f397c039
“Everybody started running and shouting, and he saw the wounded come out,†Tom Hunt said. “He didn’t hear the shooting, but he said it was ‘a bloody mess.’â€
Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.
“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,†Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.â€
Too soon to make hey out of this but it's being reported so I brought it over. It does not mean the shooter is anything more than a whackjob but if accurate, well it's part of the story that will be hard to cover up.
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Did you notice the cousin's chuckle and disbelief over the cousin going to a rifle range and becoming proficient using guns?
So how did he get so good at it?
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It's expected to here a relative defend him somewhat, but nice to hear that he wasn't a convert.
I'm calling :bs: on what the cousin said.
Good Americans don't go into an inprocessing center and shoot your fellow soldiers.
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I'm calling :bs: on what the cousin said.
Good Americans don't go into an inprocessing center and shoot your fellow soldiers.
Muslims have no loyalty to country or others.....only Islam and Allah.
He was probably shouting allah-akbar (god is great in arabic) while shooting.
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I'm calling :bs: on what the cousin said.
Good Americans don't go into an inprocessing center and shoot your fellow soldiers.
Cousin said he's been trying to get out for years, and I don't think Shep picked up on it......sounds like a guy that went into ROTC and got the military to pay for a medical degree and then didn't want to do the required "payback"....
I did notice that the cousin didn't want to give the family "heritage" out.....hmmm.....Iranian or Iraqi maybe?
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I'm calling :bs: on what the cousin said.
Good Americans don't go into an inprocessing center and shoot your fellow soldiers.
I wonder if it was really a cousin. It wouldn't be the first time a live show got Punked.
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I wonder if it was really a cousin. It wouldn't be the first time a live show got Punked.
Good point.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EA1v2r8sHc[/youtube]
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Hey Salaam since you're here...remind me again about Islam being the Religion of Peace?
:whatever:
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Hey Salaam since you're here...remind me again about Islam being the Religion of Peace?
:whatever:
Does he only show up when a Muslim commits a heinous act of cowardice, to defend them?
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Does he only show up when a Muslim commits a heinous act of cowardice, to defend them?
Yes.
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The two other suspects have been released--FNC was saying something to the effect that they might have been trying to "take down" the shooter, and got swept up by the MPs. But, Rep. John Carter (R), whose district comtains Fort Hood, says now that another person has been picked up for questioning.
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http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=18503e97f397c039
Too soon to make hey out of this but it's being reported so I brought it over. It does not mean the shooter is anything more than a whackjob but if accurate, well it's part of the story that will be hard to cover up.
Good find.
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if the dead shooter was that distraught over our foreign policy and having to deploy...why didn't he just resign his commission?
FNC reporting that the lockdown has been lifted.
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Sorry I'm late to this. All I can say is the MOFO was evil and he took the easy way out rather then let justice be served. On the other hand he at least saved us the trouble of a lengthy trial and jail stay at Ft Leavenworth. I hope he is in the lowest ,deepest parts of HELL and its set for high.
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Photo's from Fort Hood
(dramatic but not graphic)
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Dramatic-Photos-Fort-Hood-Shooting-69319852.html
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Sorry I'm late to this. All I can say is the MOFO was evil and he took the easy way out rather then let justice be served. On the other hand he at least saved us the trouble of a lengthy trial and jail stay at Ft Leavenworth. I hope he is in the lowest ,deepest parts of HELL and its set for high.
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For the record I showed up because I had a PM about black conservatives....
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For the record I showed up because I had a PM about black conservatives....
:whatever:
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:whatever:
Since I'm an evil lying terrorist, why don't you ask the mod who told me on FB to check my message here.... :uhsure:
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For the record I showed up because I had a PM about black conservatives....
Then fix the record in another thread.
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For the record I showed up because I had a PM about black conservatives....
Right. And that explains why you've been in this thread since you logged on.
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Then fix the record in another thread.
I concur.
Salaam -
Don't post in this thread about unrelated topics again. You get a pass because your name was mentioned and you stated that you showed up here tonight due to a PM from someone on facebook. Fine. Point made. Do not post anything else that isn't related to the topic at hand. Take it elsewhere.
This is a general note to everyone - what happened today was an unspeakable tragedy that has left us all with a lot of unanswered questions. As this story develops, please continue to post in this thread. This section is for Breaking News and I will NOT tolerate anyone stepping on the memories of the fallen. Do not let this devolve into something petty and bitter. Take it to the Fight Club.
I personally don't have the words right now to describe the emotions I'm feeling. This is horrible and I cannot believe it's happened. My heart and prayers go out to all of the loved ones affected by this.
All of that being said, we will be strictly enforcing the rules about discussing our military per our Terms. Make yourself familiar with them if you don't remember.
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I alerted him about this thread. Salaam isn't one of those radical Muslims like the one that committed the heinous crimes today. I like and respect him even though we don't always see eye to eye.
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Ohh, and Salaam is a former Marine. So let's keep that in mind and show him some respect.
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I alerted him about this thread. Salaam isn't one of those radical Muslims like the one that committed the heinous crimes today. I like and respect him even though we don't always see eye to eye.
He's a Muslim who spends most of his time trying to tell others that Muslims aren't violent.
Hey Salaam, why don't you spend that time on trying to tell Muslims to stop BEING violent?
You're nothing but the friend of a dude I'm in a fight with telling me that your friend doesn't want to fight, while the friend is steadily punching me in the head. Best analogy I can compose right now.
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It is so sad and hard to see that this is going on I have been trying to explain to my kids does not usually happen on military posts or bases this was a random act of evil.
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That said as an American Muslim who like hundreds of thousands of other American Muslims who serve and have served in America’s armed forces and kept their oaths to God, Country, and in my case Corps, condemn these actions and pray for the victims of this madman.
May God give the families strength and be quick in His reckoning. If it turns out it was indeed this Major and the media in error claims he was a Muslim, know that no true believer in Islam considers him part of the fold. My prayers go out to the victims and their families, our nation, and our men and women in uniform.
May God bless us all,
Semper Fidelis
As Salaam Alaikum
Stated HOURS Ago before I knew anything of this thread. My feelings remain the same regardless of what I have read thus far on the subject.
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Ohh, and Salaam is a former Marine. So let's keep that in mind and show him some respect.
So was Murtha. And Oswald.
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He's got my respect for serving our country. I just don't want to see this thread derailed.
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Ohh, and Salaam is a former Marine. So let's keep that in mind and show him some respect.
Ex Marine as far as I'm concerned.
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It is so sad and hard to see that this is going on I have been trying to explain to my kids does not usually happen on military posts or bases this was a random act of evil.
Google Fort Bragg shootings.
That did not, however, have anything to do with religion.
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So was Murtha. And Oswald.
:clap:
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That said as an American Muslim who like hundreds of thousands of other American Muslims who serve and have served in America’s armed forces and kept their oaths to God, Country, and in my case Corps, condemn these actions and pray for the victims of this madman.
Yeah, I'd have to question your math on that one.
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Ex Marine as far as I'm concerned.
To be honest, I won't take anything away from Salaam so far as military service. He's also a convert. He, and I hope he doesn't mind me saying it, converted for poon.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BPNHDO6&show_article=1
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.
Oh for ****s sake. :banghead: :banghead:
On edit: belated hat tip to Hot Air for half or more of "my" updates.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/05/breaking-massacre-at-fort-hood/
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Google Fort Bragg shootings.
That did not, however, have anything to do with religion.
It is still an unusual event when it comes to military bases.
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To be honest, I won't take anything away from Salaam so far as military service. He's also a convert. He, and I hope he doesn't mind me saying it, converted for poon.
As adamantly as he's defended the alleged religion of the people killing us and behind the attacks on 9/11...as I've stated before...he's spit on the marines he served alongside with his "conversion".
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It is still an unusual event when it comes to military bases.
Oh, I totally agree. I've spent the past 18 years on military installations.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BPNHDO6&show_article=1
Oh for ****s sake. :banghead: :banghead:
Six months ago? WTF?
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BPNHDO6&show_article=1
Oh for ****s sake. :banghead: :banghead:
On edit: belated hat tip to Hot Air for half or more of "my" updates.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/05/breaking-massacre-at-fort-hood/
Political Correctness and the fear of being called a racist for pursuing legitimate leads based on someone's race or religious preference will do us just as much harm as a nation as any suicide bomber.
Today is proof of that. 14 lives could have been saved today had someone had backbone enough to open a damn case file on this :censored:
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I had to explain to them it usually did not happen because their dad lives in Texas and my youngest is worried about daddy getting shot. I am at a loss for words on how to explain it to them I don't want to put more fear into their lives than needed right now
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I am willing to bet that all of you still wearing a uniform will be required to go through more diversity and sensitivity training within the next 6 months as a result of this incident.
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Political Correctness and the fear of being called a racist for pursuing legitimate leads based on someone's race or religious preference will do us just as much harm as a nation as any suicide bomber.
Today is proof of that. 14 lives could have been saved today had someone had backbone enough to open a damn case file on this :censored:
That would be bad enough. If this was a result of a change in policy "wiretapping BS" or otherwise there had better be Hell to pay.
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I am willing to bet that all of you still wearing a uniform will be required to go through more diversity and sensitivity training within the next 6 months as a result of this incident.
That's damn near a certainty.
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I wonder how many people he influenced before his killing spree began
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I had to explain to them it usually did not happen because their dad lives in Texas and my youngest is worried about daddy getting shot. I am at a loss for words on how to explain it to them I don't want to put more fear into their lives than needed right now
Just tell them that sometimes bad people do bad things.
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What are the classes going to do now that damages have been done? How can making our Soldiers,Sailors,Airmen and Marines learn anything from this situation that they haven't already been taught?
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I have but something tells me I am going to have 2 extras in my bed tonight
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I am willing to bet that all of you still wearing a uniform will be required to go through more diversity and sensitivity training within the next 6 months as a result of this incident.
Cool. When I was in, and if there were videos, this mean nap time.
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http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/reports-of-mass-shooting-at-fort-hood/?hp
Update | 7:11 p.m. A personnel record for Major Hasan obtained by The New York Times says that he was born in Virginia in September, 1970. He had an undergraduate degree from Virginia Tech. His record said that he had expressed no religious preference. His last posting was at Darnell Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, where he worked as a psychiatrist.
OK. (??)
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He's actually listed on AKO as Abdu Wali Hasan.
Looking at it now. Worked at Darnall. Malik was his middle name. ..at least according to AKO.
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http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/reports-of-mass-shooting-at-fort-hood/?hp
OK. (??)
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."~Nidal Hasan
http://www.wacotrib.com/nation/content/shared-gen/ap/US_Presidential_Cabinet/US_Fort_Hood_Shooting_Suspect.html
His neighbors are also saying he was giving away the contents of his apartment and handing out Korans to people this morning.
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REPORTING THAT THE SHITBAG AIN'T DEAD! He's in custody.
Waterboard? **** THAT! REALLY torture that sumbitch!
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REPORTING THAT THE SHITBAG AIN'T DEAD! He's in custody.
Waterboard? **** THAT! REALLY torture that sumbitch!
I'm actually glad he survived... he ought to "enjoy" rotting in the stockade for a few years before he gets the needle.
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REPORTING THAT THE SHITBAG AIN'T DEAD! He's in custody.
Waterboard? **** THAT! REALLY torture that sumbitch!
As I and others have stated before (think GI Jane, for those of you former RN types), there's only two things to remember:
Red is positive, black is negative.
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I hope all involved will learn the true meaning of torture and soon and in a very very painful manner.
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I'm actually glad he survived... he ought to "enjoy" rotting in the stockade for a few years before he gets the needle.
Son of a bitch should have to walk a ****in' gauntlet in order to get to his date with the ****in' needle.
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REPORTING THAT THE SHITBAG AIN'T DEAD! He's in custody.
Waterboard? **** THAT! REALLY torture that sumbitch!
I wanna punch a dirty stick into his wounds. This :censored: escaped what he had coming to him.
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I'm actually glad he survived... he ought to "enjoy" rotting in the stockade for a few years before he gets the needle.
Needle? **** that. They don't use the needle at Leavenworth. Unless I'm mistaken.
To be honest, his ass needs to stand in front of a firing squad WITHOUT the hood. He didn't allow his victims that luxury, so **** him.
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"His death is not imminent" I have not been so happy to hear those words. I hope that sorry mofo wishes he did himself in.
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I was at Gordon when the Bragg shootings happened. They were stopped by fellow GI's. I still question the "One Shooter" deal. 43 people shot? By one person? On one of the most deployable installations in the country? Home to the 1st Cav division? ...and he wasn't taken out, but by police?
I don't get that.
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What are the classes going to do now that damages have been done? How can making our Soldiers,Sailors,Airmen and Marines learn anything from this situation that they haven't already been taught?
If it was the right kind of class, they would be teaching you proper sighting techniques and how much ammo it takes to remove assholes like that.
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I wanna punch a dirty stick into his wounds. This :censored: escaped what he had coming to him.
A rusty screwdriver would be just as good.
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I am at a loss for words on how to explain it to them
I don't want to put more fear into their lives than needed right now
Newbeer, you can turn it into a positive by telling them how our Soldiers were attacked today, but they fought back and killed the bad guy. Tell your youngest he doesn't have to worry about his Dad being shot, because our Soldiers are out there all over the country standing between us and those bad guys, and they won't let anyone get past them alive.
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Newbeer, you can turn it into a positive by telling them how our Soldiers were attacked today, but they fought back and killed the bad guy. Tell your youngest he doesn't have to worry about his Dad being shot, because our Soldiers are out there all over the country standing between us and those bad guys, and they won't let anyone get past them alive.
Douchebag Muzzie lives.
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Needle? **** that. They don't use the needle at Leavenworth. Unless I'm mistaken.
To be honest, his ass needs to stand in front of a firing squad WITHOUT the hood. He didn't allow his victims that luxury, so **** him.
They use the needle
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/r190_55.pdf
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Statement by Gov. Perry Regarding Fort Hood Shootings
November 05, 2009 Share
AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement regarding the shootings at Fort Hood:
“The Texas family suffered a significant loss today with the tragedy at Fort Hood. Along with all Texans, Anita and I are keeping those affected by today’s incidents in our thoughts and prayers.
“We are deeply saddened by today’s events, but resolve to continue supporting our troops and protecting our citizens.
“To honor those who lost their lives today, I have ordered that all Texas flags be lowered to half-staff until Sunday, and ask all Texans to pray for the victims, their families and the extended Fort Hood community.â€
The governor has been in contact with military and state law enforcement officials. To provide support at Fort Hood, Gov. Perry directed the deployment of a variety of state resources to the area, including Texas Department of Public Safety troopers, Texas Rangers and helicopters, to assist in securing the perimeter of the base and provide other support as necessary.
The governor’s flag order applies to all U.S. and Texas flags under the control of the state. Flags will be lowered to half-staff on the State Capitol Building, flag displays in the Capitol Complex, and upon all public buildings, grounds and facilities beginning immediately until sunset on Sunday, November 8th.
Individuals, businesses, municipalities, counties and other political subdivisions are encouraged to fly the flag at half-staff for the same length of time as a sign of respect.
To view text of the governor’s remarks, please visit
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/13905
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They use the needle
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/r190_55.pdf
****. Too good for that piece of shit.
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I was at Gordon when the Bragg shootings happened. They were stopped by fellow GI's. I still question the "One Shooter" deal. 43 people shot? By one person? On one of the most deployable installations in the country? Home to the 1st Cav division? ...and he wasn't taken out, but by police?
I don't get that.
Soldiers aren't usually armed while on post in CONUS.
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Newbeer, you can turn it into a positive by telling them how our Soldiers were attacked today, but they fought back and killed the bad guy. Tell your youngest he doesn't have to worry about his Dad being shot, because our Soldiers are out there all over the country standing between us and those bad guys, and they won't let anyone get past them alive.
Thank you Kay for your kind words and she knows this her daddy was a soldier for the first 3 years of her life. My older one remembers more about his time in the service he was around it for 9 years.
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They use the needle
http://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/r190_55.pdf
Welp. All I can hope for is that it takes a good long while for him to get there. And, sorry, but if everything I have heard about this effing assbag is true, all of the anti-war sentiment, and the supporting of Islam yada yada, well then, IMHO, he should have been released from his duties many years ago. My heart hurts for our troops. PC has no place in our military. For the love of God, let these people do their jobs. JEEZ. Why he was still there is beyond me.
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Welp. All I can hope for is that it takes a good long while for him to get there. And, sorry, but if everything I have heard about this effing assbag is true, all of the anti-war sentiment, and the supporting of Islam yada yada, well then, IMHO, he should have been released from his duties many years ago. My heart hurts for our troops. PC has no place in our military. For the love of God, let these people do their jobs. JEEZ. Why he was still there is beyond me.
On its face this case has lots in common with the infamous Hasan Akbar case.. the Muslim scumbag who fragged his brothers in the 101st during Operation Iraqi Freedom. He too claimed he was "harassed" because of his religious beliefs.
I think they ought to allow all Muslims right now a "get out of the military no questions asked" opportunity... Get them out before they do something bad.
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Douchebag Muzzie lives.
Oh .... just now read that part. They ought to leave him laying and just let him bleed out with nothing for pain. It's still hard for me to see how he got off 40 plus rounds by himself with just 2 handguns (if that's still the story). Looks like he would have been tackled while reloading. There had to have been more than one shooting I say.
Newbeer ... oops, I see you wrote that your youngest is a she. Sorry about that, I put he.
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AP sources: Authorities had concerns about suspect
By LARA JAKES and PAM HESS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON — The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
The postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was wounded during the shootings at the Army post that killed 12 soldiers and wounded at least 30 others. A Fort Hood spokesman had earlier said Hasan was killed.
The officials say they are still trying to confirm that Hasan was the author of the Internet postings. They say an official investigation was not opened.
One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its (sic) more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."
Military officials said Hasan, 39, had worked for six years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where he had received a poor performance evaluation. He transferred to Fort Hood in July.
The officials, who had access to Hasan's military record, spoke on condition of anonymity because such records are confidential.
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said Hasan was about to deploy overseas, but it was not known whether he was headed to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Retired Army Col. Terry Lee told Fox News that he worked with Hasan, who had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.
Hasan was single with no children. He was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. He did his internship, residency and a fellowship at Walter Reed.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/US_Fort_Hood_Shooting_Suspect.html
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On its face this case has lots in common with the infamous Hasan Akbar case.. the Muslim scumbag who fragged his brothers in the 101st during Operation Iraqi Freedom. He too claimed he was "harassed" because of his religious beliefs.
I think they ought to allow all Muslims right now a "get out of the military no questions asked" opportunity... Get them out before they do something bad.
Just get them out.
Oh .... just now read that part. They ought to leave him laying and just let him bleed out with nothing for pain. It's still hard for me to see how he got off 40 plus rounds by himself with just 2 handguns (if that's still the story). Looks like he would have been tackled while reloading. There had to have been more than one shooting I say.
Kay, the news conference I just saw, on Ft. Hood said there was a semi-automatic involved, which probably makes more sense.
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May God draw to His bosom the brave soldiers lost today to this coward. Prayers of comfort to those wounded and to the friends and families of all the victims.
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Just get them out.
Kay, the news conference I just saw, on Ft. Hood said there was a semi-automatic involved, which probably makes more sense.
The M9 has a 15 round magazine capacity. He probably staggered his reloads to compensate for magazine change delays. It isn't an instinctive reaction to jump into a kill zone.
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Welp. All I can hope for is that it takes a good long while for him to get there.
Long tubes connect the needle through a hole in a cement block wall to several intravenous drips. The first is a harmless saline solution that is started immediately... the inmate is injected with sodium thiopental - an anesthetic, which puts the inmate to sleep. Next flows pavulon or pancuronium bromide, which paralyzes the entire muscle system and stops the inmate's breathing. Finally, the flow of potassium chloride stops the heart. Death results from anesthetic overdose and respiratory and cardiac arrest while the condemned person is unconscious... If a member of the execution team injects the drugs into a muscle instead of a vein, or if the needle becomes clogged, extreme pain can result. Many prisoners have damaged veins resulting from intravenous drug use and it is sometimes difficult to find a usable vein, resulting in long delays while the inmate remains strapped to the gurney.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/descriptions-execution-methods
Let's hope the bastard gets the needle in his ****ing bicep. :evillaugh:
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.... Hasan, who had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq..... Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.
OK, so he was a quack. Why do nuts like this even join the military? They do know what the military does, right? Why will I not be surprised if we come to learn Hasan was a toofer and kept a journal at DKos? Why am I confident that if this country were invaded, this murderer would have run to the shoreline to meet them with pen and surrender papers in hand? That is if he could outrun Dear Leader to the beach first.
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The officials say they are still trying to confirm that Hasan was the author of the Internet postings. They say an official investigation was not opened.
One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan's computer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
Why the hell wasn't an investigation opened? Some security guard is arrested because someone said they heard him threaten 0Bama, but this guy idolizes suicide bombers and he can't be investigated?
Do they need warrants, don't they have reasonable cause to search everything he owns?
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Let's hope the bastard gets the needle in his ******* bicep. :evillaugh:
I was originally hoping that it would take him a while to get to the point where he got the injection....and that we used that time productively, but that works too.
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Newbeer, you can turn it into a positive by telling them how our Soldiers were attacked today, but they fought back and killed the bad guy. Tell your youngest he doesn't have to worry about his Dad being shot, because our Soldiers are out there all over the country standing between us and those bad guys, and they won't let anyone get past them alive.
No problem it is fine
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Why the hell wasn't an investigation opened? Some security guard is arrested because someone said they heard him threaten 0Bama, but this guy idolizes suicide bombers and he can't be investigated?
Do they need warrants, don't they have reasonable cause to search everything he owns?
The security guard was white, Major Assbag wasn't ergo it would have been a hate crime to investigate him.
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The M9 has a 15 round magazine capacity. He probably staggered his reloads to compensate for magazine change delays. It isn't an instinctive reaction to jump into a kill zone.
It is a natural reaction for men to intervene to protect others. Google Bragg shootings. This sumbitch had help.
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It is a natural reaction for men to intervene to protect others. Google Bragg shootings. This sumbitch had help.
I agree with you on the accomplices and to show that kind of devotion when confronted with no alternative. Weren't they saying earlier there were two others?
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Two suspects released:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_go_ot/us_fort_hood_shooting_soldiers
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I've just learned that Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan is still alive and in stable condition. Also, the first responder was a female cop who shot him. She was also shot and is in stable condition.
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Did some more reading and digging. For the moment anyway, there is less and less fact finding and rumor killing and more and more narrative creating. I can't find anything new and God help me, I don't want to anymore.
I'm crashing early, God bless all. With Texas in our minds, let's all remember there are military men and women halfway round the world that could face as tough a day tomorrow and beyond. Keep all of them in your hearts near and far.
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Did some more reading and digging. For the moment anyway, there is less and less fact finding and rumor killing and more and more narrative creating. I can't find anything new and God help me, I don't want to anymore.
I'm crashing early, God bless all. With Texas in our minds, let's all remember there are military men and women halfway round the world that could face as tough a day tomorrow and beyond. Keep all of them in your hearts near and far.
Amen....
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I know military justice is swift. Hope he dies in the hospital.
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I have one real life friend stationed at Ft.
Bragg HOOD. Thankfully just got an email from him that he's ok. He didn't say much other than he was locked down for 5 1/2 hours.
I guess the bright side is that the sombitch won't be held up as a martyred hero in the muslim world. He failed to complete his mission - no virgins for him.
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I have one real life friend stationed at Ft. Bragg. Thankfully just got an email from him that he's ok. He didn't say much other than he was locked down for 5 1/2 hours.
I guess the bright side is that the sombitch won't be held up as a martyred hero in the muslim world. He failed to complete his mission - no virgins for him.
Bragg is a long f'n way away from Hood, Kay. Last thing we need is other installations overreacting. It happened on September 11th, 2001. ...and I never got on post the next day.
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Oh my gawd.....Now I know it's time for me to go to bed!
I don't know where I got Bragg....my friend is at Ft. Hood.
I'll correct that post haste. Thanks for catching that for me Rebel.
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Sources: Red flags raised about suspect
Online postings drew authorities' attention months ago
By LARA JAKES and PAM HESS
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Nov. 5, 2009, 8:56PM
WASHINGTON — The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
The postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 people at the Army post and wounding 31 others. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They said an official investigation was not opened.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
Houston Chronicles-Re: At Least 7 Reportedly Dead, 12 Others Hurt in Shooting at Army Base in Fort Hood (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6706223.html)
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Sounds like a jihadist to me.
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So much miss information being played out by the news.
Far as I know FOX was the only program to wait for conformation of his name.
For perhaps the only one posting on this subject I am glad he survived, he has much to tell as to the mind set of the privileged upper class of officers.
We need to know NOW what may be going through the minds of our Muslim future Comanders, class mates that are Muslim.
What kind of message will this send to our Muslim Cadets at the Military Academies, the Muslim foot soldier,?
We cannot remove anyone from our armed forces because of their religious beliefs, it has been tried before with Rickover and the Commanding officer in California that was an avowed Satenest.
Interesting problem here, how to stop a multitude of Muslim enlistees from taking down our country.?
This is just the tip of a huge ice Burg, what do you suppose this Doctor told his patients or heard from their experiences that caused him to loose HIS mind.
God Bless the private police woman that brought him down. To be harmed or killed by a Mere woman is an insult to ALLAH---
BTW, I believe one of the problems with security on that Post was the over lap in security personal. Private guards at the entry and exit points to the Post. Each Battalion having its own security, very easy to think someone else is in charge when the unthinkable happens.
We the family's of those ready to deploy pray our family will be able to survive----No one thinks in the safety of a post that their loved ones will be killed like shooting fish in a barrel., on American soil by an officer that Commands others.
Get ready folks, as we pray for the family's that this monster took, there may be more monsters lurking in the closet.
I really fear for the back splash this may cause, what can we do when, a cancer on OUR society is given the right to eat us up from with in.?
Was this just one crazy man that caused all the carnage or is he a product of what may become a problem for our military, private police, town and state Troopers.?
Damn the unimaginable has happend, how do we prevent others from copy catting these acts.
Stream of ideas caused by the devastation one person can cause to others. Please forgive me, I have such fear of those in power that walk among us and are Wolves in sheep's clothing.
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So much miss information being played out by the news.
Far as I know FOX was the only program to wait for conformation of his name.
For perhaps the only one posting on this subject I am glad he survived, he has much to tell as to the mind set of the privileged upper class of officers.
Hey jackass my wife was a Major in the Medical Services branch of the Army and her "Priviledged Upper Class Mindset" was primarily concerned with TAKING CARE OF HER ****ING TROOPS YOU IDIOT!!
What the **** kind of brain damage are you sporting? Seriously?!
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he has much to tell as to the mind set of the privileged upper class of officers.
You really have no effin clue do you?
This is one thread that I strongly suggest you stay out of and just sit in the corner with your bottle of Thunderbird and STFU.
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Sources: Red flags raised about suspect
Online postings drew authorities' attention months ago
By LARA JAKES and PAM HESS
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Nov. 5, 2009, 8:56PM
WASHINGTON — The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday.
The postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 people at the Army post and wounding 31 others. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They said an official investigation was not opened.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
Houston Chronicles-Re: At Least 7 Reportedly Dead, 12 Others Hurt in Shooting at Army Base in Fort Hood (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6706223.html)
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Sounds like a jihadist to me.
yep, that's why I pointed out in that other thread that he better then anyone would have known he was having mental issues if that's what it was. He's not crazy, he's poisoned by the ROP bs. He knew what he was doing. I could care less about this POS. I care more for the NOW 13!!! dead people he took out by his OWN actions no matter how those actions were motivated, but the point should never be lost on any civilized person who has extremist views at this point in history(psst, it's not the Christians DUmmies).
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FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.
Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.
An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
Yeah...let the surveillance begin.
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Our President is a weak, cowardly, craven, sad sack of crap. I forced myself to watch his address yesterday where he intended to speak about the massacre at Ft. Hood before addressing the Department of the Interior. For 2 minutes and 38 seconds, that bumbling idiot stumbled all over the place, giving shout-outs, cracking smiles and jokes, and addressing various bureaucrats. It was horrifying, to say the least.
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Our President is a weak, cowardly, craven, sad sack of crap. I forced myself to watch his address yesterday where he intended to speak about the massacre at Ft. Hood before addressing the Department of the Interior. For 2 minutes and 38 seconds, that bumbling idiot stumbled all over the place, giving shout-outs, cracking smiles and jokes, and addressing various bureaucrats. It was horrifying, to say the least.
It is difficult to feign sincerity when it isn't your natural disposition.
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Quote:
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Barack Obama, from his book "The Audacity of Hope"
Y'all can check and see if it's true.....me, I can believe it. The winds are changing and the velocity had better be picking up a bit.
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It is difficult to feign sincerity when it isn't your natural disposition.
He didn't even try, Odin, that was the most disgusting part about it. It was clear he truly did not give half a crap about any of it. I wouldn't have even said anything if he had come out right away and begun his address with some sort of mention of the events, offering condolences, etc. What I saw instead was a shocking display of ineptitude and callousness. He is filth.
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FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.
Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.
An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
Yeah...let the surveillance begin.
If he was so committed, why did he receive a mediocre or worse OER while he was on assignment in DC?? Seems to me that he was probably shit canned from Bethesda and sent to Ft Hood. (That's just MY impression) Furthermore, it also seems that he was "radicalized" sometime while in DC. There are plenty of radical Mosques and even terrorist training camps not too far from DC. To deny that this was NOT a terrorist strike is naive, at best.
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If he was so committed, why did he receive a mediocre or worse OER while he was on assignment in DC?? Seems to me that he was probably shit canned from Bethesda and sent to Ft Hood. (That's just MY impression) Furthermore, it also seems that he was "radicalized" sometime while in DC. There are plenty of radical Mosques and even terrorist training camps not too far from DC. To deny that this was NOT a terrorist strike is naive, at best.
WTF???
Can you amplify on that a wee bit? If you know something the FBI doesn't, you may wanna give 'em a phone call....
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WTF???
Can you amplify on that a wee bit? If you know something the FBI doesn't, you may wanna give 'em a phone call....
They know about'em. It's not politically correct to do anything about them. There's one in New York in the lower middle of the state.
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They know about'em. It's not politically correct to do anything about them. There's one in New York in the lower middle of the state.
Ummm, it sounds like those "camps" are under observation, then.
I don't have a lot of faith in government, but I find it unbelievable that the alphabet-soup of gummint agencies are standing around with their dicks in their hands while Mohammed runs around a camp with a vest full of dummy explosives on and a faux trigger in his manical hand.
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I would like to make a bit of a comment on Vesta's comment regarding "priviledge officer"....
Last night on Fox, Greta had a retired military man....I think he was an Army General - I have seen him on Fox before as he is one of their military refernce commentators.
This gentleman made the comment that Hasan was of the "priviledged upper class of officers, making 6 figures a year".....he went on to say, that this guy had become a Major most likely just because he had obtained his medical degree and finished his training....that it had nothing to do with battle experience, leading troops, etc. He also said Hasan would have had an 8 to 5 job in an office. Not a typical military job.
I took his reference of "priviledged officer" to mean that the guy was priviledged to get his rank through his education and priviledged in that he had a pretty "cushy" job, not obtained through his experience at commanding troops and going into battle.
Vesta said she was watching the coverage on Fox last night and I think this may be what she was referring to....
I, too, have some serious concerns about how a guy could go into the military right out of high school and spend the next several years....4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 3 yrs minimal medical residency, at least 2-3 years of psych residency.....all paid for by the government and expected to be repaid by serving your country for X number of years...thinking he could get out of it because he didn't want to go to war.
Hellllooooooooo....he joined the military!!!! That means defending your country however you are able and doing so when told to.
I also heard his cousin say that Hasan was hoping that when Obama took office, he would pull the troops out and he (Hasan) would not have to go to war.
I have to agree with Thor....I really don't think this guy went nuts all on his own. I think there is way more to this than we know so far.
I did hear this morning that this guy jumped up on tables and was shooting down on people in cubicles.
This from a guy that according to the cousin, didn't even like going to the shooting range and made it sound like the guy was a wimpy pacifist.
Doesn't sound that way to me.....
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How many soldiers truly in need of a competent doctor to treat what was ailing them mentally were seen by this idiot?
And what kind of further damage was done to them between the ears because of his dislike of the WoT and his unhappiness at bening deployed?
There will be a ripple effect from this asshats action that aren't even being thought of yet IMHO.
Because of his actions...you've now got soldiers in harms way that aren't 100% focusing on the mission in front of them...they are now worrying about their family members back home and if they are gonna be the next ones that are shot up?
How many soldiers that are shot in Iraq and Afghanistan in say the next 30 days will be secondary casulties of this idiot?
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There's one in New York in the lower middle of the state.
Yup. In southwestern Delaware County.
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If he was so committed, why did he receive a mediocre or worse OER while he was on assignment in DC?? Seems to me that he was probably shit canned from Bethesda and sent to Ft Hood. (That's just MY impression) Furthermore, it also seems that he was "radicalized" sometime while in DC. There are plenty of radical Mosques and even terrorist training camps not too far from DC. To deny that this was NOT a terrorist strike is naive, at best.
WTF???
Can you amplify on that a wee bit? If you know something the FBI doesn't, you may wanna give 'em a phone call....
They know about'em. It's not politically correct to do anything about them. There's one in New York in the lower middle of the state.
What Rebel said.....
read some here: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Default.aspx?id=418566
and here: http://homelandsecurityus.com/?page_id=1046
and finally: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/35-jihad-training-compounds-on-american-soil.html
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How many soldiers truly in need of a competent doctor to treat what was ailing them mentally were seen by this idiot?
And what kind of further damage was done to them between the ears because of his dislike of the WoT and his unhappiness at bening deployed?
There will be a ripple effect from this asshats action that aren't even being thought of yet IMHO.
Because of his actions...you've now got soldiers in harms way that aren't 100% focusing on the mission in front of them...they are now worrying about their family members back home and if they are gonna be the next ones that are shot up?
How many soldiers that are shot in Iraq and Afghanistan in say the next 30 days will be secondary casulties of this idiot?
How many who are getting ready to leave, will not be focused 100%? There is a group leaving in January, they said on Fox, that's why so many were in the building.
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Ummm, it sounds like those "camps" are under observation, then.
I don't have a lot of faith in government, but I find it unbelievable that the alphabet-soup of gummint agencies are standing around with their dicks in their hands while Mohammed runs around a camp with a vest full of dummy explosives on and a faux trigger in his manical hand.
It's the same with other radical training camps. They're under observation, but little is being done because, on the surface, there are no laws being broken.
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Hey jackass my wife was a Major in the Medical Services branch of the Army and her "Priviledged Upper Class Mindset" was primarily concerned with TAKING CARE OF HER ****ING TROOPS YOU IDIOT!!
What the **** kind of brain damage are you sporting? Seriously?!
Go easy, bro. It's true that she's most likely repeating what one of the FNC military advisors said. Elite or "privileged" in the sense that they obtained an education on Uncle Sam's (read: our) dime, not some moral superiority. Hey, they spent a boatload of money on MY education, and they got every dime of their investment back, dude!
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Go easy, bro. It's true that she's most likely repeating what one of the FNC military advisors said. Elite or "privileged" in the sense that they obtained an education on Uncle Sam's (read: our) dime, not some moral superiority. Hey, they spent a boatload of money on MY education, and they got every dime of their investment back, dude!
Let's not even get into the Officer/enlisted class thing. It's REAL and it's there. It's not AS noticeable in the Military Medical field, but it still exists. Where one can truly see the class divide is with the Academy Officers.
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What Rebel said.....
read some here: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/Default.aspx?id=418566
and here: http://homelandsecurityus.com/?page_id=1046
and finally: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/02/35-jihad-training-compounds-on-american-soil.html
Holy shit, I must've been asleep over the past few years not to have seen this.
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Let's not even get into the Officer/enlisted class thing. It's REAL and it's there. It's not AS noticeable in the Military Medical field, but it still exists. Where one can truly see the class divide is with the Academy Officers.
In a larger command, no doubt about it. In smaller ones, not so much. I mean, on the boats, under the right circumstances, most everyone at or below the Department Head level was on a first-name basis. On the tender, some Chiefs and even PO1's would get their panties in a wad were you to intrude on their little fiefdoms or not adequately bow and genuflect before their self-erected altars.
Yeah, academy grads could be a PITA, but once they got knocked down a peg or two they became more or less human.
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Holy shit, I must've been asleep over the past few years not to have seen this.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Apparently....... I've known about it for a while. Of course, I have had no life for a few years, too.
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Of course, I have had no life for a few years, too.
You're an airedale--goes with the territory.
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: Apparently....... I've known about it for a while. Of course, I have had no life for a few years, too.
Well, it's a rare day when I don't learn something on this forum......
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In a larger command, no doubt about it. In smaller ones, not so much. I mean, on the boats, under the right circumstances, most everyone at or below the Department Head level was on a first-name basis. On the tender, some Chiefs and even PO1's would get their panties in a wad were you to intrude on their little fiefdoms or not adequately bow and genuflect before their self-erected altars.
Yeah, academy grads could be a PITA, but once they got knocked down a peg or two they became more or less human.
IMO, the BEST officers (in ANY branch) are the prior Enlisted. There may still be the divide, but they lead with some intelligence. You're an airedale--goes with the territory.
That has nothing to do with it..... damned sparkchaser Nuke
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IMO, the BEST officers (in ANY branch) are the prior Enlisted. There may still be the divide, but they lead with some intelligence.
There's a guy in church who's retired Navy. Became an LDO (props to Sparky for posting the right acronym) after he made Chief, and I believe he retired as a Lieutenant Commander. Nicest guy you'd ever want to meet (franksolich notwithstanding).
His wife, on the other hand.....Jeezus, she wore the pants between the two of them. Can't stand the woman. She's one of those who loves to hear herself talk and doesn't realize that when she's doing it, everybody else is cringing with pain and embarassment.
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IMO, the BEST officers (in ANY branch) are the prior Enlisted. There may still be the divide, but they lead with some intelligence.
That has nothing to do with it..... damned sparkchaser Nuke
Meh. I knew a couple of LDO's who were good, and a couple that were as useful as a football bat. Worst one ever was a Warrant on the tender. Raging alcoholic and mean as a friggin snake. Had one "prior-enlisted" officer who had been picked up out of prototype and sent to ROTC. Total window-licker, who thought he knew something, which made him twice as dangerous.
And I'll have you know I was an ET, not an EM. I only went over to the dark high-voltage side AFTER I got out, and found out I could get my testicles back.
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Meh. I knew a couple of LDO's who were good, and a couple that were as useful as a football bat. Worst one ever was a Warrant on the tender. Raging alcoholic and mean as a friggin snake. Had one "prior-enlisted" officer who had been picked up out of prototype and sent to ROTC. Total window-licker, who thought he knew something, which made him twice as dangerous.
And I'll have you know I was an ET, not an EM. I only went over to the dark high-voltage side AFTER I got out, and found out I could get my testicles back.
Twidget/ Sparkchaser......... same, same in MY communities...... I had the AE PQS completed and was a cd/qar for ALL avionics/. aircraft electricians...
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most Field Grade and a few "ring knocker" Cpts sure seemed pretty full of themselves to this E-4. The braid on the cap seemed to carry the arogance, tho the RTOC's seemed pretty self satisfide as well.......DOCTORS I met were doctors first, but on the street, demanded full military protocall. Proportionally, fewer assholes in the Med. Services, and most of the aassholes were the "ladies". Maybe it is different today, but I doubt it.
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Twidget/ Sparkchaser......... same, same in MY communities...... I had the AE PQS completed and was a cd/qar for ALL avionics/. aircraft electricians...
They let you around electricity? I wouldn't trust most airedales with a burnt-out match. Come down to the boat and you'll get your hands whacked with a shore power wrench if they ever left your pockets... :evillaugh:
J/K. I only used a crescent wrench.
Face it, there are good officers who listen to their NCO's, and then you have arrogant pricks. The pricks don't always last that long. A few do, but not many.
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How many soldiers truly in need of a competent doctor to treat what was ailing them mentally were seen by this idiot?
And what kind of further damage was done to them between the ears because of his dislike of the WoT and his unhappiness at bening deployed?
There will be a ripple effect from this asshats action that aren't even being thought of yet IMHO.
Because of his actions...you've now got soldiers in harms way that aren't 100% focusing on the mission in front of them...they are now worrying about their family members back home and if they are gonna be the next ones that are shot up?
How many soldiers that are shot in Iraq and Afghanistan in say the next 30 days will be secondary casulties of this idiot?
You brought up exactly what I was thinking of, TX! Great points. Hopefully those treated by him, if fed negativity, will consider that now that he has been exposed for what he is.
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Just posting this to verify my comments earlier:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
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FORT HOOD, Texas – Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.
Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.
An imam from a mosque Hasan regularly attended said Hasan, a lifelong Muslim, was a committed soldier, gave no sign of extremist beliefs and regularly wore his uniform at prayers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
Yeah...let the surveillance begin.
Sounds like terrorism.
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As details continue to emerge about the carnage at Ft. Hood, it appears a pregnant Chicago woman was killed in the fray that claimed the lives of 13 soldiers Thursday.
Francheska Velez, 21, had just finished a tour in Iraq and returned to Ft. Hood three months pregnant. The Army had granted Velez, a 2006 graduate of Kelvyn Park High School, a maternity leave of abscence.
She was just weeks away from rejoining her family in Chicago. ...
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Pregnant-Chicago-Woman-Among-Ft-Hood-Victims-69385517.html
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So the death count should actually be 14.
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So the death count should actually be 14.
I hope he's charged with 14 murders, then the MSM will be forced to report the death toll accurately.
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Our State lost some sons and daughters yesterday.
MADISON, Wis. -- Two soldiers from Wisconsin were killed and three others were hurt in the shooting massacre at the Fort Hood Army Base on Thursday.
Officials said that 13 people were killed and about 30 were injured in the shootings. The suspect was hospitalized Friday in a coma.
Family members are confirming the deaths of two Wisconsin soldiers in Thursday's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas.
Russell Seager's uncle said the 51-year-old from Racine was killed.
Larry Seager, of Mauston, said his niece told him Friday morning that Seager died. He said his nephew joined the Army a few years back because he was a psychiatrist who wanted to help returning veterans adapt back to civilian life. He said he still can't believe the news.
The other soldier who died has been identified by her mother as Amy Krueger, 29, of Kiel.
Jeri Krueger, of Kiel, told the Herald Times Reporter of Manitowoc that she was informed early Friday of daughter Amy Krueger's death.
The mother said her daughter was an Army sergeant with the Madison-based 467th Medical Detachment and had arrived at Fort Hood on Tuesday. She was scheduled to be sent to Afghanistan in December.
Kiel High School Principal Dario Talerico told the Associated Press that Krueger graduated from the school in 1998 and was proud to serve her country. He said she had spoken at least once to Kiel elementary school students about her career. Jeri Krueger said her daughter joined the Army shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
Meanwhile, three other Wisconsin soldiers were injured in the shooting.
Dorothy Carskadon, a social worker with the 467th Medical Detachment, was injured in the shooting, WISC-TV reported.
St. Chad Episcopal Church in Rockford, Ill., is holding a vigil at 6 p.m. Friday for Carskadon. The church confirmed on Friday that Carskadon is in stable condition.
Carskadon started working at the Madison Vet Center as a team leader starting in April 2006. She previously worked as the social worker at the Rockford Vet Center Outstation since July 1997. Carskadon had returned to service as a social worker and is currently serving with the 467th Medical Detachment, according to the Madison Vet Center.
The father of Army Reserve Spc. Grant Moxon, 23, of Lodi, said his son was shot in the leg. Grant Moxon arrived at the Texas Army base on Wednesday and was preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, according to his father, Dave Moxon.
Grant Moxon was sitting in a processing room Thursday when he heard a commotion and found himself eye-to-eye with the shooter. After being shot above the knee he pretended to be dead until the shooter moved away.
Grant Moxon is a mental health specialist -- the same field as the suspected shooter, Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. The third injured Wisconsin soldier was Amber Bahr, 19, of Random Lake. Her family said she was shot in the back.
On Friday, a military spokesman praised Bahr for her heroics. He said that she helped other soldiers injured in the Fort Hood shooting before tending to her own wounds. Lt. Gen. Bob Cone told NBC's "Today" show Friday that Bahr helped apply a tourniquet to an injured soldier. He said Bahr then attended to other soldiers before realizing she'd been shot.
The Madison-based unit, the 467th Combat Stress Control Army Reserve Detachment, apparently has 43 soldiers who were currently training at the Army facility.
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most Field Grade and a few "ring knocker" Cpts sure seemed pretty full of themselves to this E-4. The braid on the cap seemed to carry the arogance, tho the RTOC's seemed pretty self satisfide as well.......DOCTORS I met were doctors first, but on the street, demanded full military protocall. Proportionally, fewer assholes in the Med. Services, and most of the aassholes were the "ladies". Maybe it is different today, but I doubt it.
Got you beat Sparky.
Years ago Mom and I were waiting to get through the gate to our ship yard when the driver of the car ahead of us seemed to have a problem. Back then Marines were at the gate and this one woman driving on the base with a sticker on her car for some reason was asked for her ID.
I swear that woman had to have been drunk as she had misplaced her ID card and got out of the car and jacked up the Marines who were about 20-21 years old and had side arms.
She began to shriek at the too Marines, " Do you know who I am, my husband is Chief of the Boat."
I kid you not, she was escorted kicking and screaming into the guard shack, Mom and I laughed a bit too hard as I was pregnant at the time and thank God for plastic seats--easy to clean.
Another time in Vallejo when the Nuke School was at Mare Island my Hubby was an instructor at the school. 4 nights a week he tutored his students at home. Neighbors saw the kids coming in and out, they were left to wonder why.
One day talking to the neighbor next door a woman comes over from the next street and is really rude to me, she tells me she cannot associate with me as her husband had just made Chief. About that time my hubby comes home an E9 and enters the house.
For some reason I got on MY high horse and told her I hoped her husband was not one of My husbands students.
Oh there are so few times in life when insulted that one can turn the tables big time on those that think they are better then you, not for what they have done but for the accomplishments of others. :rotf: :rotf:
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The real hell of all of this is that he's a freakin' DOCTOR!
HELLO!!!??
Tell me at what point he's going to grab a rifle and go lead a fire team into a building and sweep it for his "brothers"?
The most he'd be outside the safety and security of Camp Liberty or Balad Air Base is when he's in an MRAP the day he gets there and the day he leaves.
So the defense that "he was stressed about having to go into combat against his Muslim brethren" is totally out the window.
I'm glad that the authorities haven't closed the door on this being an act of terrorism.
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The real hell of all of this is that he's a freakin' DOCTOR!
HELLO!!!??
Tell me at what point he's going to grab a rifle and go lead a fire team into a building and sweep it for his "brothers"?
The most he'd be outside the safety and security of Camp Liberty or Balad Air Base is when he's in an MRAP the day he gets there and the day he leaves.
So the defense that "he was stressed about having to go into combat against his Muslim brethren" is totally out the window.
I'm glad that the authorities haven't closed the door on this being an act of terrorism.
Didn't I say something to that effect earlier ?? (Maybe it was on Facebook) :clueless:
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The real hell of all of this is that he's a freakin' DOCTOR!
HELLO!!!??
Tell me at what point he's going to grab a rifle and go lead a fire team into a building and sweep it for his "brothers"?
The most he'd be outside the safety and security of Camp Liberty or Balad Air Base is when he's in an MRAP the day he gets there and the day he leaves.
So the defense that "he was stressed about having to go into combat against his Muslim brethren" is totally out the window.
I'm glad that the authorities haven't closed the door on this being an act of terrorism.
It's clearly terrorism how I see it.
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Didn't I say something to that effect earlier ?? (Maybe it was on Facebook) :clueless:
My Grandfather was a doctor in the Army in WWII. Then he was a Doctor at a VA hospital. Although he grew up on a ranch, the only gun I ever saw him carry, or use was his 22 that he used to shoot squirrels in the back yard when he thought I wasn't looking. He hated those buggers, ate his pecans. My Dad was one of those officer-types, in the AF, you know the ones we don't speak of? He didn't even HAVE a gun.
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Didn't I say something to that effect earlier ?? (Maybe it was on Facebook) :clueless:
Must have been facebook. I'd have simply ^5'd you had I seen it on here.
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The FBI has his computer.
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Here is a partial list, may god watch over them.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572726,00.html
My wife treats soldiers with PTSD and is totally not amused by people trying to claim this guy suffered from PTSD by treating soldiers with PTSD. She said his actions cannot be traced to PTSD.
Paladin0
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From what I understand about PTSD (and being told I have it).....I don't think it's possible to get it by hearing what someone else went through to cause it.
It's not a contagious disease....it's a mental/emotional trauma that one experiences in their own life.
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Hasan was / is a terrorist. By his deeds. We cannot know when he went from Moslem adherent to terrorist, but he did. That is inexcuseable, and he needs to be tried and executed at the earliest possible time.
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Here is a partial list, may god watch over them.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572726,00.html
My wife treats soldiers with PTSD and is totally not amused by people trying to claim this guy suffered from PTSD by treating soldiers with PTSD. She said his actions cannot be traced to PTSD.
Paladin0
God Bless your wife Sir. PTSD, especially with a soldier is a very serious thing.
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Here is a partial list, may god watch over them.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572726,00.html
My wife treats soldiers with PTSD and is totally not amused by people trying to claim this guy suffered from PTSD by treating soldiers with PTSD. She said his actions cannot be traced to PTSD.
Paladin0
God bless your wife too. I have heard on the local news from experts that this was not related to PTSD. People with PTSD are more likely to turn to alcohol and drugs. Never this.
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Family members say he never mentioned deployment, yet he told strangers. Neighbors said he always wore fatigues. Not so.
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Nice pajamas, asshole.
I came across an article earlier today... he had this shit planned. He emptied out his apartment and paid his neighbor to clean it for him.
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Shep Smith interviewed his former Iman from Virginia.
He had gone into the "marriage program" looking for a wife the Iman said. He wanted a "traditional wife" one who wore the hajib(sp?), prayed 5 times a day and would be a stay at home wife. The Iman said one was not found to suit him and then he was relocated to Fort Hood so there was no further contact with him.
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Time to declare an open season on Muslims with no bag limit?
:fuelfire:
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One of the board members was quoted in an AP article about Muslims fearing a backlash after this murder spree. At the bottom. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091107/ap_on_re/us_rel_fort_hood_shooting_muslims)
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Well, PC'in sure seems to be failing, doesn't it?
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Fox News just reported a few minutes ago, that doctors are concerned that several of the wounded will not survive their injuries....
Please, God, watch over these injured people and their families, guide the medical staff taking care of them, and help them to heal....
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Fox News just reported a few minutes ago, that doctors are concerned that several of the wounded will not survive their injuries....
Please, God, watch over these injured people and their families, guide the medical staff taking care of them, and help them to heal....
14 dead already. It will get worse IMHO before it gets better.
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It goes without saying but everyone affected by this is in my prayers. I hope all of the victims recover and that no more lose their battle.
God, what a senseless tragedy.
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And what, exCTLY has this CinC done? Made a one minute speech? Has he gone to the Hospital? Comforted the famlies? Praised the Lady Cop who shot the SOB Hasan before he killed more. Where the F... is the "Medal of Freedom" for her, or at least some expression of thanks fior her SAVING THE LIVES of some in his command!
Malignent Narcissist SOB!
fOR THOSE WHO VOTED FOR HIM, HOW'S THAT "HOPE AND CHANGE" WORKING OUT.
This is completely unforgivable.
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They said the shooter used a FN 5.7mm pistol and that over 100 shots were fired on Fox News
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There are 30 Round magazines available for that handgun. I wonder how many magazines that moron had and their capacity?? (just curious)
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How can a monster like him contiue to live when so many others have been killed it is just tragic
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where's that fat POS from CAIR condeming the attack, he complains loudly if anyone even says "TOWELHEAD". Where is any "Imam" publically condeming this terrorist. Where's the courage of Barry top step up and condem the terrorism? Visit the troops. ANYTHING that shows he is CinC?
aNYTHING,,,...,,..ANYONE.....ANYTHING?
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where's that fat POS from CAIR condeming the attack, he complains loudly if anyone even says "TOWELHEAD". Where is any "Imam" publically condeming this terrorist. Where's the courage of Barry top step up and condem the terrorism? Visit the troops. ANYTHING that shows he is CinC?
aNYTHING,,,...,,..ANYONE.....ANYTHING?
He's gonna get to that right before he flies to Asia on Tuesday.
He couldn't get to it this weekend...he had to go relax at Camp David dontcha know.
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What gets me about Nidal Hasan is that here he is, protesting the war in Iraq & Afghanistan because he doesn't want to fight his fellow Muslims, which he wouldn't really have to do, anyways, but he can commit an act of terror, waging war on his fellow Americans, killing 14 + injuring some 30 others. I'm sorry, but this bastard's excuses and the excuses from the left just don't wash.
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CBS' Sunday Morning illustrated the point that this POS was reacting to being called a "camel jockey."
Nowhere in that broadcast was there any mention at all of this being yet another act of terrorism. It's as if it's not terrorism unless there are 19 muzzies involved, using airplanes as weapons and killing 3,000 Americans on American soil.
Fourteen dead does not terrorism make, according to the MSM.
:censored:
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What gets me about Nidal Hasan is that here he is, protesting the war in Iraq & Afghanistan because he doesn't want to fight his fellow Muslims, which he wouldn't really have to do, anyways, but he can commit an act of terror, waging war on his fellow Americans, killing 14 + injuring some 30 others. I'm sorry, but this bastard's excuses and the excuses from the left just don't wash.
Protesting higher taxes...socialized medicine...showing up at town hall meetings and making elected officials answer the tough questions...now THAT is terrorism in the minds of those on the left. Hell military veterans are the real terrorists to the left.
Shooting up 14 innocent people while yelling allah akbar...why that's not terrorism to the left...that's just America's fault for not being more "understanding" of his situation.
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CBS' Sunday Morning illustrated the point that this POS was reacting to being called a "camel jockey."
Nowhere in that broadcast was there any mention at all of this being yet another act of terrorism. It's as if it's not terrorism unless there are 19 muzzies involved, using airplanes as weapons and killing 3,000 Americans on American soil.
Fourteen dead does not terrorism make, according to the MSM.
:censored:
Fox is reporting that Lieberman is calling for an investigation into this.
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LEIBERMAN also used the word "terrorism" in an "if then" statment. Everyone else is still in the RUN AWAY mode.
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IMNSHO, it sure seems to me that this was a terrorist act. If THIS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573004,00.html) guy can be called a terrorist, why can't we call this Muslim a terrorist??
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IMNSHO, it sure seems to me that this was a terrorist act. If THIS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573004,00.html) guy can be called a terrorist, why can't we call this Muslim a terrorist??
Cuz he is a Muslim.
Can't be hurting their delicate Allah ass kissing feelings now can we?
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Protesting higher taxes...socialized medicine...showing up at town hall meetings and making elected officials answer the tough questions...now THAT is terrorism in the minds of those on the left. Hell military veterans are the real terrorists to the left.
Shooting up 14 innocent people while yelling allah akbar...why that's not terrorism to the left...that's just America's fault for not being more "understanding" of his situation.
Some world we live in huh? :banghead: :banghead:
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Fox is reporting that Lieberman is calling for an investigation into this.
I just saw that. On defense and the war on terror (not man made disaster) he is really good. If he moved to the right on the other issues he would make a good republican. :-)
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(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Anti-islam/05_10_09_TheirPerspective-X.gif)
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Protesting higher taxes...socialized medicine...showing up at town hall meetings and making elected officials answer the tough questions...now THAT is terrorism in the minds of those on the left. Hell military veterans are the real terrorists to the left.
Shooting up 14 innocent people while yelling allah akbar...why that's not terrorism to the left...that's just America's fault for not being more "understanding" of his situation.
I have pointed this out many times. Many terrorists, dictators, assassins, and mass murderers were on the left.
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I just saw that. On defense and the war on terror (not man made disaster) he is really good. If he moved to the right on the other issues he would make a good republican. :-)
Oh boy, the DUmp will be dusting off the ol' standby comments.
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Some world we live in huh? :banghead: :banghead:
Sadly yes. But it's also par for the course in Liberal Looney Land. Everything is the polar opposite of what it should be.
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ABC is reporting that he is awake and talking.....
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Start the Courts Martial now! He can watch closed circut.
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Interesting article from Israel -
SNIP
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/Sharkansky/entry/allahu_akbar_praise_the_lord
Jewish and Christian leaders have, for the most part, abandoned ancient doctrines that call for violence against others. Islam has earned our suspicion due to 9-11, suicide bombers, and what happens in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
Muslim countries and Israel have an easier task in dealing with religious extremists than the United States. Egypt, Jordan, Tunis and Syria can wrap themselves in the symbols of Islam while sending the police and army to do things unacceptable elsewhere against those who threaten the state's control of what happens within its boundaries.
Israeli rabbis condemn their colleagues who urge soldiers not to obey orders about clearing settlements. Security services infiltrate Muslim and Jewish extremists. The Knesset banned Rabbi Meir Kahane from politics. Politicians and the media come down heavily against those who endorse the actions of Goldstein, Amir, or Teitel. The police mass against Muslim and Jewish demonstrators at holy sites, or at parking garages open on the Sabbath.
The United States suffers from its pride in individual freedom, multi-culturalism, openness to refugees (especially from countries affected by American military activities), religious freedom, opposition to ethnic profiling, privacy, and easy access to firearms. We can expect a surge of harassment directed at people who look Middle Eastern, as well as official expressions emphasizing that a misguided fringe should not bring retribution against the great majority of Muslims who are good neighbors. Tensions may increase along with immigration from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
Members of the Muslim community in and around Fort Hood have expressed their concern:
'When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,' said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. 'But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad.'
'Ultimately it was Brother Nidal's doing, but the command should be held accountable,' Mr. Benjamin said. 'G.I.'s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.'"
Ranking officials expressed confusion and caution. The Army Chief of Staff said, "This is a tough one ... It's a kick in the gut." President Obama cautioned against "jumping to conclusions" while investigations continue.
How should individuals protect themselves from the madness of believers? There may be nothing more certain than staying away from sensitive places at sensitive times, and hoping for good luck.
If anyone out there has a better idea, my mailbox is open.
Not that I completely agree with his assessment but some of it is close enough to hit where it hurts.
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We probably paid close to if not more than six figures to put this killer through school so he can earn his MD license for Psychiatry...how does he repay this country?...by shooting 30 of his fellow soldiers. He needs to be not only executed, but named for the terrorist he is. None of this *****footing around it, President OBAMA..Call him out, call him a terrorist, and then stick a needle in his arm.
This CiC angers me like no other.
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I heard earlier today he will be tried by Military Court and the jury will be military.
He's gonna fry....or will they hang him?
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I heard earlier today he will be tried by Military Court and the jury will be military.
He's gonna fry....or will they hang him?
Didn't the last person the Army executed get lethal injection?
Far too polite and clean for this piece of garbage.
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There was an army rep on Fox news a few days ago that said military court can take just as long as civilian court cases, between appeals and lawyers trying the insanity defense.
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There was an army rep on Fox news a few days ago that said military court can take just as long as civilian court cases, between appeals and lawyers trying the insanity defense.
With all the stuff the investigators are finding regarding him contacting Al-Queda...it's going to be tough to try to use insanity.
We could look at it that the terrorists - commiting atrocities in the name of religion - are all insane...but that would be opinion rather than fact.
The terrorists are perfectly cognizant of what they are doing .....all in the name of Allah.
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Too bad that they can't call me back to active duty so I could be on that trial.....
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Too bad that they can't call me back to active duty so I could be on that trial.....
Even if it was for only the trial I would love to be back in.
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I heard earlier today he will be tried by Military Court and the jury will be military.
He's gonna fry....or will they hang him?
Lethal injection is the way the military does it these days.
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Lethal injection is the way the military does it these days.
That is assuming that :
1. They find him guilty.
2. They impose the death penalty.
Does it irritate anyone else that the media is still referring to him as "the alleged" shooter? Seriously, is there any doubt that he is the one that done it?
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Too bad that they can't call me back to active duty so I could be on that trial.....
You were a field grade officer?
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That is assuming that :
1. They find him guilty.
2. They impose the death penalty.
Does it irritate anyone else that the media is still referring to him as "the alleged" shooter? Seriously, is there any doubt that he is the one that done it?
Correct on the assumptions.
Yes, it irritates the hell out of me.
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That is assuming that :
1. They find him guilty.
2. They impose the death penalty.
Does it irritate anyone else that the media is still referring to him as "the alleged" shooter? Seriously, is there any doubt that he is the one that done it?
Until one is found guilty either by admission to a judge or by a jury of one's peers....they must be referred to as "alledged"....otherwise it's considered slanderous or libelous....and the person making the comments either in writing or verbalizing....can be sued. Something a newsreporter/journalist/newpaper/tv network/etc isn't going to risk.
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Until one is found guilty either by admission to a judge or by a jury of one's peers....they must be referred to as "alledged"....otherwise it's considered slanderous or libelous....and the person making the comments either in writing or verbalizing....can be sued. Something a newsreporter/journalist/newpaper/tv network/etc isn't going to risk.
It just seems wrong that when the person is caught red handed doing the deed, they still are called "the alleged" , or the "suspect".
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Too bad that they can't call me back to active duty so I could be on that trial.....
I don't think you could even if you were active duty. He's a field grade officer. ...unfortunately.
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I don't think you could even if you were active duty. He's a field grade officer. ...unfortunately.
Yeah, I think the UCMJ stipulates a jury "of peers" or slightly senior -- never junior.
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Teuth is an absolute defence against lible/slander. Back some decades,some idiot judge decided that just saying Hasan killed presumed guilt andprejudiced any possible jury. So now tthe jerks say "alleged" and "Accused" so frequently you want to smack them upside the head.
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How long do you think they are going to pass judgement on him less than 1.2 seconds for them to say guilty
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You were a field grade officer?
Oh HELL NO!! My mother and father were married when I was born!!!
Sorry, I forgot the Manual for Courts Martial. I'd still like to be on the jury, but I know that ain't gonna happen.
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Officers May Be Punished for Ft. Hood Rampage (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583083,00.html)
As many as eight Army officers may be punished for failing to heed warning signs and take action against suspected Fort Hood gunman Maj. Nidal Hasan, a U.S. official said Thursday.
First reported in the Los Angeles Times, an official familiar with a Pentagon review of the case, which will be discussed at a briefing Friday, said the officers who face discipline hold ranks of colonel and below.
The review reportedly found that superiors allowed Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, to advance within the ranks despite his failings to meet physical and professional standards. Hasan avoided physical training, was overweight and frequently late, but was seen by superiors as a rare medical officer and thus avoided corrective action.
"Had those failings been properly adjudicated, he wouldn't have progressed," the official told the Times.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583083,00.html
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So the purging starts.....
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Officers May Be Punished for Ft. Hood Rampage (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583083,00.html)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583083,00.html
Yeah....and how many of those who are being looked at being punished ....would also have been punished if they had reported Hasan?
Would they have gotten in trouble for singling out a Muslim?
For racial profiling or prejudical/racist against Muslims...people of middle eastern descent?
Of course they would have!!
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Right there with ya Deb. I don't know all the particulars, but this looks like a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. I believe that some good men are going to end up being fall boys for PC crap gone wrong.
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Right there with ya Deb. I don't know all the particulars, but this looks like a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. I believe that some good men are going to end up being fall boys for PC crap gone wrong.
...and it should make them really willing to step forward in the future.
Step forward, you're bust for discrimination....don't and you're busted for dereliction of duty.....so why not just let the damn Muslims run it all.
What to do, what to do......OH! I know, frag the Muslims.....if you're gonna ruin your career and go to jail, might as well get your moneys worth.
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It's a no-win situation for a non-Muslim to report/not report.
Either way...they are screwed.
If they report .... with the current rules/laws against discrimination....they will be the ones in trouble....because technically they would be doing racial discrimination.
When the Congress created the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and all the subsequent civil rights legislation....they had no idea that someday we would have jihadist Muslims trying to kill us on a regular basis.
Until there is some sort of protection.... put down on paper.....there aren't going to be a whole lot of military people willing to risk their careers reporting someone who may be a wacko Muslim.
Ain't going to happen...not in the military or anywhere else.
Laws are either going to have to be amended OR there is going to have to be something on paper that will stand up in a court of law protecting the individual who tries to warn against a possible terrorist.
Unfortunately....just about anything on paper can be contested in a court of law....and often it gets turned over. :(
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101015/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
was ordered by an officer to delete both videos, a military court heard Friday
:banghead: I will be surprised if he gets the maximum allowed. He will get the least. I hate to say it. I post here hope that is right place.
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Well, the bastard is paralyzed from the chest down.
That's at least some consolation.
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Well, the bastard is paralyzed from the chest down.
That's at least some consolation.
Just a scootch, Euph......just a scootch.
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/11/10/fort-hood-probe-army-chooses-its-words-carefully/
The Army has just released its internal investigation into the Fort Hood shootings a year ago that left 13 people dead at the hands, according to eye-witnesses, of Maj. Nidal Hasan. He's the Army psychiatrist and Muslim who shouted
pdf link..
http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/fthoodairtwebversion.pdf
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From the first link.
The Army has rolled out a bunch of initiatives to deal with such threats in the future: an iWatch program -- kind of the Army's version of a neighborhood watch -- and iSalute, an "online counter-intelligence program." In typical Army fashion, it has also created a Threat Awareness and Reporting Program, a Counterintelligence Fusion Cell, and an Army Personnel Security Investigation Center of Excellence.
Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/11/10/fort-hood-probe-army-chooses-its-words-carefully/#ixzz14uhEf2TP
iWatch is a codeword for IslamicJihadistWatch :-)
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How About, "Emerging Ideas"
1) Train soldiers on weapons use, allow concealed and/or open carry for those soldiers so trained.
2) Stop Bullshitting around and get the job done.
but no-
The Army developed and implemented the iSalute CI reporting system via “Army Knowledge
Online†and “Army Knowledge Online – Secure†internet based reporting links in April
2010. G-2 Information Sharing and CIO/G-6 developed and implemented the reporting
platforms enabling any Soldier or Civilians with an Army Knowledge Online or Army
Knowledge Online – Secure account to report a suspicious activity to Army CI.
The Army expanded and refined active shooter training for the Army law enforcement
community since the tragedy at Fort Hood. OPMG developed and implemented its plan
to train MP personnel to the same level as DACPs through an annual law enforcement
certification program reported through the Unit Status Report.
IMCOM establish a Battle Command Training Program for installation commanders and
staffs similar to the one for Brigade Combat Teams, Divisions, Corps and ASCCs. The training
would be conducted to create experiences enabling the Army’s senior commanders to
develop current and relevant installation command protection instincts and skills.
So- instead of training soldiers to protect themselves from the enemy threat, we will develop a course to train commanders how to create experiences ... to develop current and relevant.... protection instincts...
Like shooting the mother ****er who screams ALLAH AKBAR!!! before pulling a pistol.
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How About, "Emerging Ideas"
1) Train soldiers on weapons use, allow concealed and/or open carry for those soldiers so trained.
2) Stop Bullshitting around and get the job done.
but no-
The Army developed and implemented the iSalute CI reporting system via “Army Knowledge
Online†and “Army Knowledge Online – Secure†internet based reporting links in April
2010. G-2 Information Sharing and CIO/G-6 developed and implemented the reporting
platforms enabling any Soldier or Civilians with an Army Knowledge Online or Army
Knowledge Online – Secure account to report a suspicious activity to Army CI.
The Army expanded and refined active shooter training for the Army law enforcement
community since the tragedy at Fort Hood. OPMG developed and implemented its plan
to train MP personnel to the same level as DACPs through an annual law enforcement
certification program reported through the Unit Status Report.
IMCOM establish a Battle Command Training Program for installation commanders and
staffs similar to the one for Brigade Combat Teams, Divisions, Corps and ASCCs. The training
would be conducted to create experiences enabling the Army’s senior commanders to
develop current and relevant installation command protection instincts and skills.
So- instead of training soldiers to protect themselves from the enemy threat, we will develop a course to train commanders how to create experiences ... to develop current and relevant.... protection instincts...
Like shooting the mother ****er who screams ALLAH AKBAR!!! before pulling a pistol.
[insert facepalm here]
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Obama Administration Denies Request for Fort Hood Report That Could Aid Suspect
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/19/obama-administration-denies-request-fort-hood-report-aid-suspect/
EXCLUSIVE: A key intelligence report that could aid accused Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hasan's defense is being withheld by the Obama administration, according to a letter obtained by Fox News as part of its ongoing investigation of a radical American cleric.
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Obama Administration Denies Request for Fort Hood Report That Could Aid Suspect
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/19/obama-administration-denies-request-fort-hood-report-aid-suspect/
Can you say Mistrial ?
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Can you say Mistrial ?
Yes.. For any of you who think he is going to get punishment? As long as this WH and DOJ is in power it will not happen. I think he should have been at room temperature some time ago.
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The government misplaces things all the time....think maybe we could misplace him? ...like out in the woods somewhere...he is paralyzed is he not.
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Yes.. For any of you who think he is going to get punishment? As long as this WH and DOJ is in power it will not happen. I think he should have been at room temperature some time ago.
Given their recent civilian terror trial and getting one of 285 convictions , I'm thinking they may convict Hasan for illegally carrying a loaded weapon at the time.
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Given their recent civilian terror trial and getting one of 285 convictions , I'm thinking they may convict Hasan for illegally carrying a loaded weapon at the time.
You may be right, I do not know if it was legal at the time of the shooting to carry a loaded weapon?
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Government Withholds Fort Hood Report
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpps/news/government-withholds-fort-hood-report-dpgonc-km-20101120_10713882
It stated that the intelligence review requested by President Obama immediately after the shooting last year “is not reasonably available.â€
Robert S. Litt, general counsel for Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper, cited “highly classified, compartmented and sensitive information originating with a number of different executive branch agencies†as justification for withholding the document on the shooting, which left 13 dead and more than 30 injured.
In what could be a slight to the defense, the letter stated that a review of the material would be complicated, and the DNI letter strongly hinted it would never be produced for Hasan’s defense.
“The document you requested is an interagency joint response," the letter said. "Accordingly, we cannot produce the document [if ever] until after a detailed and time-consuming interagency coordination and consultation regarding the report and the underlying highly sensitive information it contains."
I wonder if they are going to blame someone at Walter Reed because they missed his "symptoms?"
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Government Withholds Fort Hood Report
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpps/news/government-withholds-fort-hood-report-dpgonc-km-20101120_10713882
I wonder if they are going to blame someone at Walter Reed because they missed his "symptoms?"
I think that's what the defense is going for. There was a comment on the FNC website article about this from the defence that said something about the responsibility of his superiors at WRAC.
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It's a no-win situation for a non-Muslim to report/not report.
Either way...they are screwed.
If they report .... with the current rules/laws against discrimination....they will be the ones in trouble....because technically they would be doing racial discrimination.
When the Congress created the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and all the subsequent civil rights legislation....they had no idea that someday we would have jihadist Muslims trying to kill us on a regular basis.
Until there is some sort of protection.... put down on paper.....there aren't going to be a whole lot of military people willing to risk their careers reporting someone who may be a wacko Muslim.
Ain't going to happen...not in the military or anywhere else.
Laws are either going to have to be amended OR there is going to have to be something on paper that will stand up in a court of law protecting the individual who tries to warn against a possible terrorist.
Unfortunately....just about anything on paper can be contested in a court of law....and often it gets turned over. :(
In the meanwhile...they oughta have a lot more "training accidents" involving jihadist in our Military.
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Alleged Fort Hood shooter ruled 'sane': source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iXxPPoFgbXl5wscVuEgF7Vqcl_XA?docId=CNG.189a3a1fe5c8bba71806f5a7de2822bc.481)
KILLEEN, Texas — The US Army psychiatrist charged with killing 13 people in a shooting spree on a Texas army base has been ruled sane and thus fit for trial, a source familiar with the case said.
The ruling by a group of medical experts, called a sanity board, opens the door for a court martial that could end in the execution of Major Nidal Hasan, who was paralyzed from the neck down during the November 5, 2009 massacre.
© 2011 AFP (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iXxPPoFgbXl5wscVuEgF7Vqcl_XA?docId=CNG.189a3a1fe5c8bba71806f5a7de2822bc.481)
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Bastard should already be pig slop by now.
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I can't believe the muslim animal is still alive, frankly. Paralyzed from the neck down - good.
Declaring this a capital murder case and then offing him can't happen soon enough.
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I was happy to hear that the throwback was paralyzed as well.
Now, will he be tried in a military or criminal court? Let's see what the red diaper doper babies come up with.
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I was happy to hear that the throwback was paralyzed as well.
Now, will he be tried in a military or criminal court? Let's see what the red diaper doper babies come up with.
The article said that the first process was to determine if the perp is sane. The consensus seems to suggest that he is. Now, it goes to a court martial but to make it a capital case (meaning max punishment if found guilty is death), a general officer has to weigh in. They're waiting till 23 Feb or so for a LTG to become available.
Bottom line, it's a court martial. The crime occurred on a US military installation, which means (I think) that the feds have first crack, and maybe the only crack, at this perp.
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The article said that the first process was to determine if the perp is sane. The consensus seems to suggest that he is. Now, it goes to a court martial but to make it a capital case (meaning max punishment if found guilty is death), a general officer has to weigh in. They're waiting till 23 Feb or so for a LTG to become available.
Bottom line, it's a court martial. The crime occurred on a US military installation, which means (I think) that the feds have first crack, and maybe the only crack, at this perp.
Hope so, cuz Texas is out of lethal injection at the end of February.
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Hope so, cuz Texas is out of lethal injection at the end of February.
I would think they'd move him to Terre Haute or some garden spot like that to put him down.
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Hope so, cuz Texas is out of lethal injection at the end of February.
Did they just run out of drugs or did TX outlaw the death penalty and not tell anyone?
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Did they just run out of drugs or did TX outlaw the death penalty and not tell anyone?
Ran out of drugs. Outlaw the death penalty? As if. :thatsright:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/us/22lethal.html?src=twrhp
First article I found on googling. It seems that the company that produces the drug is in Italy, and they caved to pressure from the socialist non-death penalty crowd. They won't sell it to us if it is to be used in a lethal cocktail.
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Well, shoot. They can always make more drugs. If not, there's always hanging.
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Well, shoot. They can always make more drugs. If not, there's always hanging.
Firing squad. It's the cheapest.
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Ran out of drugs. Outlaw the death penalty? As if. :thatsright:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/us/22lethal.html?src=twrhp
First article I found on googling. It seems that the company that produces the drug is in Italy, and they caved to pressure from the socialist non-death penalty crowd. They won't sell it to us if it is to be used in a lethal cocktail.
Intriguing. All the freakin' pharma companies that are based in the U.S. and NOBODY ELSE manufactures sodium thiopental? You gotta be kidding me.
Two blank 30.06 rounds, four real rounds, and six riflemen with weapons, along with a couple dozen sandbags, a chair that you don't mind having some bullet holes run through it, a hood and a paper target pinned to the perp's chest, and we're done.
Next?
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Firing squad. It's the cheapest.
True...but I think we can go one better, Texas has some HUGE hunting preserves, wonder how much you could charge per gun for a day of hunting Jihadist?
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Ah shit! He's paralysed? Well then... sit him in front of a continous loop of a video of the most irritating and screeching liberals
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True...but I think we can go one better, Texas has some HUGE hunting preserves, wonder how much you could charge per gun for a day of hunting Jihadist?
I bet Uncle Ted would let us use his place for FREE.
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Ah shit! He's paralysed? Well then... sit him in front of a continous loop of a video of the most irritating and screeching liberals
Gotta put some sport in it by giving him a motorized wheelchair (with the battery about half-charged) and confining weapons to pellet guns.
Death by 1,000 cuts.
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Kerosine will work....and it's only about $4 a gallon.
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Army to Punish Nine Officers in Connection With Fort Hood Shootings
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/10/army-punish-officers-connection-fort-hood-shootings/
The Army announced Thursday it will punish nine officers in connection with the Fort Hood shootings for "leadership failures relating to the career of Maj. Hasan."
Army doctor Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is accused of killing 13 people and wounding 29 others on November 5, 2009, at Fort Hood in Texas.
The Army does not identify the officers who will be punished nor does it reveal their specific punishments. A press release from the Army reads:
"The severity of each action varies depending on case-specific facts and circumstances. In certain cases, it may take several weeks to ensure that each officer is accorded appropriate due process and to take final action. In order to protect the due process rights of the officers involved, the Army will not identify them or provide details of the administrative actions at this time. Upon the completion of all cases, the Army will review whether the release of additional information would be appropriate."
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PURPLE HEARTS, BARRY. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!
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No friggin' way. To do that, radical Islam would have to be identified as an armed enemy, and with Lord Zero's Love Fest for All Things Muslim, that just ain't gonna happen.
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9 officers face disciplinary action in Fort Hood shooting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42017230/ns/us_news-security/
Army Secretary John McHugh has ordered disciplinary action against nine officers for allegedly failing to flag any potential warning signs related to Maj. Nidal Hasan, accused of killing 13 soldiers at Fort Hood in November 2009, NBC News has learned.
The nine officers were in Hasan's chain of command at the Walter Reed Medical Center and the military's medical school. Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, allegedly showed signs of Islamic radicalization that were ignored by superior officers.
While the Army's investigation found "no single event" that led to the Fort Hood shootings, "certain officers" in Hasan's chain of command "failed to meet the high standards expected of them," McHugh found.
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9 officers face disciplinary action in Fort Hood shooting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42017230/ns/us_news-security/
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And if they had flagged Hasan in any way, their careers would have ended then and there for being racist.
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Rope is cheap.
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Rope is cheap.
And since he's an murdering Islamofascist terrorist, he's a-okay with heads coming off. Hasan needs to be strapped to his wheelchair when they drop the trap door out from under him.
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When he gets off on an insanity plea, the dopes over at DU will celebrate.
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This is probably posted elsewhere, but this is another good location for it:
http://conservativebyte.com/2011/08/farrakhan-american-soldiers-not-fort-hood-shooter-are-terrorists/
Hate Preached In Harlem: Nation of Islam Leader Farrakhan Says Fort Hood Shooter Is Not a Terrorist Just a Good Muslim Who Was Driven Crazy by the Terrorist American Soldiers Who Rape Muslim Men, Women & Families