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Star Member DanieRains (2,944 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215341172Mueller Should Be Arrested For Lying - No Collusion Was A LieIt was a lie and we knew it.He knew there was collusion.Mueller was just a smoke screen to shield Trump.Yes some criminals went to jail. Sacrifices to shield the boss.Mueller said while testifying there was no collusion so the Trumpscum could pretend he was innocent and it was all a witchhunt.We watched Fitzgerald do the same thing.Maybe if he was arrested they would start telling the truth.Ya think?
flying rabbit (3,894 posts) 1. I could be wrongbut I think collusion was not what the investigation was going for. No collusion was the cry to distract from that.
SunsetDreams2 (267 posts) 4. I don't agree..AP fact checkQuoteTHE FACTS: Allegations of “collusion” were not “proven false” in the Mueller investigation, nor was the issue of “collusion” addressed in the report.The Mueller report said the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, saying it had not collected sufficient evidence “to establish” or sustain criminal charges.The report noted that some Trump campaign officials had declined to testify under the 5th Amendment or had provided false or incomplete testimony, making it difficult to get a complete picture of what happened during the 2016 campaign. The special counsel wrote that he “cannot rule out the possibility” that unavailable information could have cast a different light on the investigation’s findings.The report also makes clear the investigation did not assess whether “collusion” occurred because it is not a legal term. The investigation found multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and the report said it established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”https://apnews.com/article/f9c0ab20229140f18ea34e1f15a9f597
THE FACTS: Allegations of “collusion” were not “proven false” in the Mueller investigation, nor was the issue of “collusion” addressed in the report.The Mueller report said the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, saying it had not collected sufficient evidence “to establish” or sustain criminal charges.The report noted that some Trump campaign officials had declined to testify under the 5th Amendment or had provided false or incomplete testimony, making it difficult to get a complete picture of what happened during the 2016 campaign. The special counsel wrote that he “cannot rule out the possibility” that unavailable information could have cast a different light on the investigation’s findings.The report also makes clear the investigation did not assess whether “collusion” occurred because it is not a legal term. The investigation found multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, and the report said it established that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
Star Member pnwmom (104,540 posts) 9. Except Mueller never said there was no collusion, which isn't even a legal term.He said that he hadn't found enough evidence to prove a legal case of CONSPIRACY, which has specific requirements. Please lay out the case that Mueller should have made for a conspiracy. I'd love to see it.Also, there had been a longstanding justice department rule that a sitting President couldn't be indicted, but Mueller pointed out that that wouldn't prevent an ex-President from being united.
Star Member Skittles (134,465 posts) 11. you should delete thisMueller did NOT lie
Star Member DanieRains (2,944 posts) 14. He Said Those Exact WordsI saw it.
Star Member pnwmom (104,540 posts) 15. Prove it. Give us the linkThe link below describes his testimony before Congress. Maybe what you heard was Trump's skewed version of what Mueller said.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/24/robert-mueller-kneecaps-president-trumps-no-collusion-no-obstruction-mantra/Robert Mueller kneecaps President Trump’s no collusion, no obstruction mantra“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term. Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”That’s an important distinction, between a colloquial term, collusion, and what Mueller’s team sought to determine, which was whether there was enough evidence to prove criminal conspiracy. Mueller is pointed: There was no determination on “collusion” — and there may have been at least some evidence pointing to possible conspiracy.[/i]
Star Member Tommy Carcetti (39,773 posts) 30. Oy. No.Mueller never said that there was no collusion.He actually said there was evidence of collusion, and documented it quite well, but it didn’t rise to the levels of indictable behavior within the very narrow parameters of investigation that were set by Rosenstein and Barr.He also said there was evidence of obstruction by Trump that could have risen to an indictable level but he didn’t want to upend DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting President.I read the report and watched his testimony. You should too.Mueller was guilty of being very “small c” conservative and a “by the book” type, but his report on Trump was still very damning and not a whitewash at all.Don’t be a fool.
Star Member Chin music (10,257 posts) 35. How about we RELEASE THE GD REPORT UNREDACTED,and we all get to read it word for word and decide for ourselves? There's ZERO reason not to.Barrs interference has led to confusion and points made not supported by the 40 million dollar report. It also gave TWO YEARS OF COVER FOR TRMP on top of it.Remember that 40 million dollar waste (amongst so many others) when the gop demands budget accountability, pay-fors etc. The Mueller Reports cost should be screamed out on the floor of Congress when the gop says spending money on Americans is a waste.RELEASE THE DAMN REPORT.
It’s lovely when they can’t agree on their lies.Yes he did!No he didn’t!Yes he did! No he didn’t !Etc.
Star Member DanieRains (2,944 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215341172Mueller Should Be Arrested For Lying - No Collusion Was A Lie
Mueller Should Be Arrested For Lying - No Collusion Was A LieIt was a lie and we knew it.He knew there was collusion.
LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:00 PMOriginal messageMERRY FITZMAS! Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 12:14 PM by LiberalEstoand an enjoyable SOTU!I thought this day would never come.It seemed to be dragging on for so long.I thought the Bush Junta had somehow forced Fitz into retreat.I thought they were getting ready to fire him from his job, the way they've recently been getting rid of federal prosecutors.I thought there would be a huge coverup, and no repercussions for Scooter or Cheney.I thought nobody in the Misadministration would ever face any sort of consequences for their actions.The outcome of the trial is uncertain, of course.But it feels good to have a gleam of hope, for a change.Let's hope this becomes a Fitzmas miracle.
Russia, Russia, Russia! 
