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Offline DixieBelle

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Federal and state taxes on gasoline production and imports have been climbing steadily since the late 1970s and now total roughly $58.4 billion. Due in part to substantial hikes in the federal gasoline excise tax in 1983, 1990, and 1993, annual tax revenues have continued to grow. Since 1977, governments collected more than $1.34 trillion, after adjusting for inflation, in gasoline tax revenues—more than twice the amount of domestic profits earned by major U.S. oil companies during the same period:


http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/10/gas_taxes_excee.html

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/1054.html

So just who in the hell do the idiots in Congress think they are??? The govt does NOTHING yet collects an obscene amount of tax on gas and they want to make the CEO's answer??? At least the oil companies are actually producing something for the profit. *banghead*

As of January 9, 2008, the average amount of tax imposed on a gallon of gasoline sold in the United States was 47.0 cents per gallon, up 0.1 cents from the July 2007 report.  For diesel fuel, the national average amount of tax was 53.6 cents per gallon, up 0.7 cents from the July 2007 report.

http://www.api.org/policy/tax/stateexcise/index.cfm

A Congressman (Dingell, or as I like to call him, Dingleberry) wants to raise it -

House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell (D-Mich.) will propose a new carbon tax that would increase the gasoline tax by 50 cents, the lawmaker said in an interview on C-SPAN's ‘Newsmakers’ airing Sunday.

In the interview, Dingell acknowledged that voters may not be willing to bear the cost of limiting greenhouse gas emissions, and that he would propose the new tax “just to sort of see how people really feel about this.”       

“I sincerely doubt that the American people are willing to pay what this is really going to cost them,” Dingell said in the interview.

And it's worth noting that oil companies operate under a profit margin that is generally slimmer than the rest of corporate America.



Notice refining costs and profits comprise no more than 18% of the cost we pay. It costs about $2 a gallon for U.S. refiners to turn crude oil into gasoline before transportation and distribution costs are added, said John Felmy, an API economist.

That leaves 20.6 cents - $1.106 per gallon for transportation, distribution and profit.

“When you take all those costs out you’re not finding unreasonable profits for everything we have to do to get (gasoline) to consumers,” Felmy said.

But Democrats never fail to seize an opportunity to raise taxes. Now let me ask you this, if Congress implemented a 50% windfall profit tax on the oil companies, who do you think would end up paying that? Do you think the oil company executives would feel so guilty that they’ve been making 8 cents on the dollar and smile when that’s cut in half? Or would they simply build the tax into the supply chain and end up passing it along to shareholders and consumers?
http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2006/04/25/more-pain-in-the-gas/

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Many people on many boards are about to be pissed off by the truth.

Good post.
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Feel free to spread the pain far and wide. :-)
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Excellent post Dixie.

I would have loved to see one of those oil executives throw that into the porkbelly faces off those arrogant congress critters.

Also one needs to look at the profit margin, not the profit dollar amount.  If their profit margin has stayed about the same over the years, the increase in dollar amount is nothing more than inflation.
 
No company EVER absorbs the cost of a tax increase, it always gets passed on to the consumer.  Are the democrats really that dense?

« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 04:54:49 PM by rich_t »
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You see more pharmaceutical commercials. They make more money than the petroleum industry. Another industry that needs to be decried is the self-help industry. I see it everywhere.
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The taxes on a gallon of gas are not fixed either -- they fluctuate with the price of the gas being sold.  As retail prices go up, so do the taxes being collected.  State and federal governments have been raking in obscene amounts of money in the last few years with higher pump prices.
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The taxes on a gallon of gas are not fixed either -- they fluctuate with the price of the gas being sold.  As retail prices go up, so do the taxes being collected.  State and federal governments have been raking in obscene amounts of money in the last few years with higher pump prices.

Yup... And those oil execs should have mentioned that to the scumbags in charge of the meeting.
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The oil companies also pay billions for oil leases in the Gulf & AK.; they pay huge sums in Corporation, witholding, sales, and property taxes to the Feds, State & local governments.


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ADDING TO THE AMMO DUMP -

Consider this; an oil company must first negotiate and risk partnerships with unstable governments around the world (Iraq, Iran, Niger, etc.), employ costly exploration, drill the well, transport the crude to the United States and then to the refinery, refine crude into hundreds of different gasoline formulations, transport the gas around the country, add required additives, and transport the gasoline again for sale. At $3.00 a gallon oil companies do all that for about $0.80 a gallon. It’s pretty amazing when you look at other products we use everyday.



* Want to fill your car with bottled water? Try $21.19 a gallon or $890 a barrel.
* Fill up with Miller Lite? $26.66 a gallon or $1120 a barrel.
* Go to the extreme and use a Starbucks White Chocolate Mocha Frappuccino? Ready for prices of $34.40 a gallon or $1445 a barrel. 

So who’s making all the money? Governments. The foreign governments who control the world’s oil supply receive the bulk of the price increase. At $75 a barrel, $1.78 a gallon goes to the producers of oil such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela. Why do they get $75? [NOTE: it's now over $100]That’s what people are willing to pay, so that’s what they charge.

They next largest benefactor in gasoline sales is our own government. For every gallon sold in California the local, state, and federal governments take $0.56. In other words the government makes between 4 – 18 times more then the oil companies on each gallon of gas sold. So who’s gouging who? In the below graph you can see that big oil’s profits change week to week, some weeks they make money, and some weeks they lose money. But the government always makes money.

Our precious government also causes prices to increase because of antiquated environmental regulations. The regulations force refineries to produce different blends dependent on the city and season. Retooling production to create hundreds of different formulations requires time and money. These regulations raise prices and reduce available gasoline while negligibly improving the environment. In addition to antiquated environmental regulations the Congress and States have refused to allow oil companies to construct a new refinery in over 28 years, squeezing demand. Environmentalists took 1 – 1.5 million barrels a day of the market by halting drilling in ANWR because environmentalists worried about the Caribou even though the Prudhoe Bay Caribou population has soared because of the warmth given off by the pipelines. Those million barrels would double the world’s surplus capacity. No drilling in Alaska, no drilling off the coast, no drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, no drilling in Colorado, no drilling in Utah, what’s left?

If all else fails you could always move to Europe, Amsterdam residents only pay $7.13 a gallon.

http://www.whatwouldronaldreagando.com/article/10/big-oil-gouging-try-big-government
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