Dummies discuss NYT Apple Article

[zeitgeist]

To bad no one on Rush show today went to this link.  Rush discussed this article on the show today.  The DUmmies had discussed it a day or so before. 

This article is pretty much straight from the Biography of Jobs.  I will only bring over the header.  DUmmies parade around this like six blind men around the elephant.   Lots of stupid on display.  Best part of Appl, folk who swear by them think they are cutting edge.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10168942

NYT: How U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html
(very long: 4,585 words)

... Not long ago, Apple boasted that its products were made in America. Today, few are. Almost all of the 70 million iPhones, 30 million iPads and 59 million other products Apple sold last year were manufactured overseas.

Why can’t that work come home? Mr. Obama asked.

Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.

... “Companies once felt an obligation to support American workers, even when it wasn’t the best financial choice,” said Betsey Stevenson, the chief economist at the Labor Department until last September. “That’s disappeared. Profits and efficiency have trumped generosity.”

... “We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries,” a current Apple executive said. “We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible

ok just one piece of stupid:

abelenkpe (4,290 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

1. We need global labor unions

to combat global corporations. Unions that ensure that workers make a living wage and provide work in every community where those same products are for sale.

Enjoy.   

[jukin]

Target wants to build a store near us. After three years of doing the song and dance for the local government they got an OK to move into the next phase, which is all the reports and applications from government. Estimated time to get these reports and applications with approval to build is 26-30 months out from now. It will take about 6 months to build, stock,a nd train their employees.

6 years of government BS. 6 months to get the real job done. But it sure isn't government holding us back. It is evil capitalists that want to stop all progress.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Making them in America would work fine, if only people were willing to plunk down about USD 2,000 each for them...not just here, but around the world...

 

[thundley4]

Target wants to build a store near us. After three years of doing the song and dance for the local government they got an OK to move into the next phase, which is all the reports and applications from government. Estimated time to get these reports and applications with approval to build is 26-30 months out from now. It will take about 6 months to build, stock,a nd train their employees.

6 years of government BS. 6 months to get the real job done. But it sure isn't government holding us back. It is evil capitalists that want to stop all progress.

Quite a different story here with a Target store being built.  There was a city grade sitting on a nice big corner lot by a busy intersection.  Within 2 years the school was closed and a new Target was built, the first in the town.  However, it was a special situation.  The Target is situated inside the city limits and a Walmart is just a mile down the road outside the city limits.  The city wanted sales tax money that is being lost to a smaller town housing Walmart.

[zeitgeist]

Here is a link to Rush take on this story for those who want to compare and contrast with the DUmmies.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/23/why_apple_can_t_make_iphones_in_america

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: By the way, that Apple story, that iPhone story in the New York Times, that is an attempt by the New York Times, that's an attack on Apple. I want you to understand, I shoulda said that at the outset.  That 14-page story is an attack on Apple.  Let me give you a quote from early in the piece by a guy named Jared Bernstein, who, until last year, was an economic adviser to the White House.  He said, "Apple’s an example of why it’s so hard to create middle-class jobs in the U.S. now. If it’s the pinnacle of capitalism, we should be worried."  Apple is an example of why we can't create middle-class jobs.  So here's Steve Jobs, Apple, big Obama supporter, here comes the regime going after Apple for not making iPhones in America, gets the New York Times on the case.

END TRANSCRIPT

and of course a few more out takes from our friends on the left just to present a fairly unbalanced approach.

whathehell (8,167 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

4. Usual reason?...US workers have the "nerve" to want unions and/or a 1st world wage?

Jobs hated unions...So much so, that many members of the Disney Board he sat on,

asked for him to be kicked off.


"... “We sell iPhones in over a hundred countries,” a current Apple executive said. “We don’t have an obligation to solve America’s problems. Our only obligation is making the best product possible.”

Such a lovely sentiment...It's why Americans of that calibre should lose their citizenship and have to pay TARIFFS to sell their stuff over

here.

Poor old Steve Jobs.  First Limbaugh uses his product now this!

newblewtoo (342 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. Does anyone wonder why this is so?

Apple’s executives had estimated that about 8,700 industrial engineers were needed to oversee and guide the 200,000 assembly-line workers eventually involved in manufacturing iPhones. The company’s analysts had forecast it would take as long as nine months to find that many qualified engineers in the United States.


I am no fan of Apple. But, before I retired in 2005, it was becoming increasingly difficult to find enough math qualified people that wanted to go into a manufacturing career. Lots of people wanted to take the pay which ranged from $17-25 per hour but most couldn't pass a simple math requirement of about 9th grade algebra. 

Rotten mole.  How dare you make such a claim?

 whathehell (8,167 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

15. Nope...It Sounds like typical corporate BS "reason" for hiring younger, cheaper and/or foreign

"The company’s analysts had forecast it would take as long as nine months to find that many math qualified people

that wanted to go into a manufacturing career."

Really?...Excuse me if I'm cynical about that -- US companies have been caught ON TAPE, "teaching"

H.R. Employees how to skirt/break our Employment laws, so that they can "insource" foreigners on H1-B Visas.

As former Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich was quoted as saying in "America: Who Stole the Dream",

by Pulitzer prize winners Barlett and Steele, "The whole system is fraught with abuse".


If it IS true, than perhaps the government shouldn't be UNDER-FUNDING public education the way

they've been for the last 30 years.   

So this is the result of underfunding education?  Sperrronnnngggggg

joshcryer (31,211 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

20. I call total BS on Apple's claim that they need "skilled labor."

This is rote manufacturing, put someone on a training cubicle for one week, they will freaking know the task that is assigned to them with incredible accuracy. This is China using the tried and true assembly line method pioneered by people like Ford. It does not require skilled labor.

Wait, you mean all those high paid UAW guys are ~ unskilled?  Oh dear, that will never do.

 Careful. Next thing you know:

You'll have the UAW claiming that putting a tire on a car is a skill,
the SEIU claiming that changing sheets is a skill,
the NEA claiming that teaching is a skill,
..and god knows how many miners claiming that swinging a pick is a skill.

So, think about this carefully: What does "skill" mean to you? And do those workers need protection from exploitation

Food fight!