The Kenyan Marxist is killing the nation!

[zeitgeist]

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn from time to time, although I think they meant the title to be sarcasm.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100270751

The Kenyan Marxist is killing the nation!
Republicans will tell you "The Kenyan Marxist is killing the nation! Four more years of him and our nation will cease to exist!"

That is the typical Republican hyperbolic propaganda, who are brainwashed from the Fox/Limbeck echo chamber 24/7. They will tell you this straightfaced.

Just give them 3 or four simple facts right back.

Holiday sales up 4% from last year----------Dow up from roughly 6000 to roughly 12,000 since Bush (6547 to 12,300 now)-------------------GDP up 11% since Bush (-8% to +3%)-----------------------------21 straight months of PRIVATE SECTOR job growth after Bush lost 5 million jobs his last year. 

But wait, what is this?  Actual facts in a DUpost?  Oh the horror.

stockholmer (2,687 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. too bad those 'facts' are wrong

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property
located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the third quarter of 2011 (that
is, from the second quarter to the third quarter), according to the "third" estimate released by the Bureau
of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real GDP increased 1.3 percent.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

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Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 6.3 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008, (that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to final estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP decreased 0.5 percent.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2009/pdf/gdp408f.pdf

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Factor in inflation (even taking the Fed's totally bogus, hedonically manipulated number of 3.4% - in reality the actual inflation rate is around 7 to 10%) and GDP is contracting.

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Key Charts From The NFP Report: Records In Jobless Duration And People Who Want A Job As Civilian Labor Force Plunges

Here are the four most important data points and charts from today's job report: the civilian labor force declined from 154,198 to 153,883, a 315K decline despite the civilian non-institutional population increased (as expected) from 240,269 to 240,441: always the easiest way to push down the unemployment rate. Percentage wise this was a drop from 64.2% to 64.0%: the lowest since back in 1983. Naturally, this would mean that the people not part of the labor force rose, and indeed they did by 487,000 to a record 86,558 from 86,071. This also means that more people are looking for a job: and indeed, the number of "Persons who want a job now" rose by 192K to a record 6.595 million. And lastly, confirming the behind the scenes disaster of the US jobless picture, the average duration of unemployment rose to a new record 40.9 weeks from 39.4 weeks previously. And that is your "improving" jobless picture in a nutshell.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/key-charts-nfp-report-records-jobless-duration-and-people-who-want-job-civilian-labor-force-plu

 

 


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The Dow (artificially propped up with trillions in quanitative easing)

http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1324857237068&chddm=494224&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=INDEXDJX:.DJI&ntsp=0

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QUICK, Shoot the messenger!!

banned from Kos (1,886 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

6. No, your Teabagger site - ZeroHedge, home of the Ron Paul Inflationistas - is wrong.

q4 2008 GDP was -8.9%.

And inflation is not some mysterious 7-10% as they claim. CPI is stated with and without energy/food.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/inflation-conspiracy-theories/

(Krugman on Inflation Conspiracists) 

Krugman.  Yeah, right now that is RICH!

A very small Yule Log at this point.  Will it survive I, The Jury??

[jukin]

When 0bama's reign of change started 20% of the nation was in poverty. In less than three years he has upped that to 50%. His goal for transforming the nation, like all commies, is to get that up to 90% in poverty.

Like Rush said, 0bama has not failed. He has succeeded. However, his success will mean our failure and he is over half way to his goal.

[Revolution]

I've said it before, and in fact, my father has also said it: If things keep going the way they're going...if Obumble gets another 4 years, there are going to be torches, and pitchforks headed to the whitehouse. Cause honestly, even if the majority of America does vote him back in, I'll be damned to think The Heartland, and the middle class won't do their very best to stop what's happening from happening once they see it for themselves.

(And honestly, why doesn't EVERYONE see it by now?!? 

[a777pilot]

I've said it before, and in fact, my father has also said it: If things keep going the way they're going...if Obumble gets another 4 years, there are going to be torches, and pitchforks headed to the whitehouse. Cause honestly, even if the majority of America does vote him back in, I'll be damned to think The Heartland, and the middle class won't do their very best to stop what's happening from happening once they see it for themselves.

(And honestly, why doesn't EVERYONE see it by now?!? 

If this Fool, Bobo, the Post Trutle, is re-elected (Class, can you say massive fraud?) I opine that he will be the very first President actually thrown out of office via the impeachment process and the help of the US military.

[miskie]

banned from Kos (1,886 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

6. No, your Teabagger site - ZeroHedge, home of the Ron Paul Inflationistas - is wrong.

q4 2008 GDP was -8.9%.

And inflation is not some mysterious 7-10% as they claim. CPI is stated with and without energy/food.

http://krugman.blogs.nyti...tion-conspiracy-theories/

(Krugman on Inflation Conspiracists)

The quote on GDP figures came from http://www.bea.gov  - the Zerohedge site contains employment data.

[jukin]

The DUmbass forgot to tell us about the unemployment going down due to 400,000 people giving up looking for work. 0bamam keeps that going and we will be at full employment but nobody working in months.

As I previously mentioned since 0bama has been president, the USA has close to 5 million fewer jobs available. Even Ezra Klien wrote that if the unemployment number was calculated with the same amount of Americans working (the denominator) as when 0bama took over the unemployment rate would be 11.3%.  If the UE rate were calculated (different methodology, not smaller denominator) as it was during Reagan the UE would be almost 20%.

IIRC when the quarterly GDP number (then revised downward and then downward again) is given it is on an annualized basis. Not from quarter to quarter.

[miskie]

The DUmbass forgot to tell us about the unemployment going down due to 400,000 people giving up looking for work. 0bamam keeps that going and we will be at full employment but nobody working in months.

As I previously mentioned since 0bama has been president, the USA has close to 5 million fewer jobs available. Even Ezra Klien wrote that if the unemployment number was calculated with the same amount of Americans working (the denominator) as when 0bama took over the unemployment rate would be 11.3%.  If the UE rate were calculated (different methodology, not smaller denominator) as it was during Reagan the UE would be almost 20%.

IIRC when the quarterly GDP number (then revised downward and then downward again) is given it is on an annualized basis. Not from quarter to quarter.

One of the things that I am amused by with the unemployment numbers, is when GW Bush was President, the primitives gleefully announced exactly why the calculations were all wrong - but mentioning the calculation problems now gets one banned.

[a777pilot]

We will all know when the economy has "turned".  The monthly jobs reports will show the nation is producing well over 300,000 jobs per month in the private sector and the un-employment rate will go back up.

The economy needs to produce around 250,000 jobs on a monthly basis just to keep up with population growth, so we need many more jobs in  the private sector to get those that are now without a good job to recover.  As for the UN-employment rate going up, that will shoe that those that have quit trying to find work are back in the market and once again have hope of finding a good job.

[Wineslob]

banned from Kos, how does it feel to be:

[Karin]

Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 08:00 AM
 stockholmer (2,701 posts)
9. Zero Hedge is not a 'Teabagger' site, you have always been wrong on most posts

The DUmmies are doing this alot lately, "Look at that source, nothing but teabaggers and right wing loons!!!!"  It's all they have.  Never mind that the source data comes from the government itself. 

[a777pilot]

The DUmmies are doing this alot lately, "Look at that source, nothing but teabaggers and right wing loons!!!!"  It's all they have.  Never mind that the source data comes from the government itself. 

ROFLMAO!

You believe what this government put out?  That's funny.

[Karin]

No, my point is that to the DUmmies, the government sources are infallible.  Big Government Good. 

I know the bastards lie to us all the time.  That's what that baby was doing when he stuck his hand inside Obama's mouth.  "Stop your lying, fool!" 

[a777pilot]

No, my point is that to the DUmmies, the government sources are infallible.  Big Government Good. 

I know the bastards lie to us all the time.  That's what that baby was doing when he stuck his hand inside Obama's mouth.  "Stop your lying, fool!" 

LOL!

Can't agrue with that.

[vesta111]

If this Fool, Bobo, the Post Trutle, is re-elected (Class, can you say massive fraud?) I opine that he will be the very first President actually thrown out of office via the impeachment process and the help of the US military.

No way 777 will the military go against their commander and chief.   They swore allegiance to him  and the Constitution and as Americans have to protect him and how ever he himself interprets the Constitution. 

Our Founders put in place many ways to block the military from taking over our government for just reasons.

The replacement of a sitting president is put on the People, not the military. Now to the catch 22, the people want to remove a president but if he refuses he has the military to protect him.

Not all military will do so but those that swore allegiance to the President and their country will do so. Right or wrong the President and the Constuition how ever the President interprets it must be defended.

[a777pilot]

No way 777 will the military go against their commander and chief.   They swore allegiance to him  and the Constitution and as Americans have to protect him and how ever he himself interprets the Constitution. 

Our Founders put in place many ways to block the military from taking over our government for just reasons.

The replacement of a sitting president is put on the People, not the military. Now to the catch 22, the people want to remove a president but if he refuses he has the military to protect him.

Not all military will do so but those that swore allegiance to the President and their country will do so. Right or wrong the President and the Constuition how ever the President interprets it must be defended.

I was an active duty Marine for 20+ years.  At no time did I ever take an oath to a President.  I, like so many others, took an oath to the US Consitution.  I consider that oath still in effect.  The military would never protect a Preident that was impeached and ordered removed from office by the Seante.

Remember this is coming from a Marine.

[JohnnyReb]

I was an active duty Marine for 20+ years.  At no time did I ever take an oath to a President.  I, like so many others, took an oath to the US Consitution.  I consider that oath still in effect.  The military would never protect a Preident that was impeached and ordered removed from office by the Seante.

Remember this is coming from a Marine.

...and that is why they would like to do away with the Marines. Of course they will still have to wait another 50/60 years for them to all die off/age before implementing their evil plans.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I was an active duty Marine for 20+ years.  At no time did I ever take an oath to a President.  I, like so many others, took an oath to the US Consitution.  I consider that oath still in effect.  The military would never protect a Preident that was impeached and ordered removed from office by the Seante.

Remember this is coming from a Marine.

Don't let vesta get you stirred up, her posts are kind of like what you'd get from a response-generating software algorithm that had 'length > 20 lines' and 'relevance below 60%' as its driving criteria.

[a777pilot]

Don't let vesta get you stirred up, her posts are kind of like what you'd get from a response-generating software algorithm that had 'length > 20 lines' and 'relevance below 60%' as its driving criteria.

OK, point taken.  Thanks.

[Karin]

Oh, that point when a newcomer meets Vesta.  It's often like 

I'll never forget when Gina met up with Vesta.    

[GOBUCKS]

Vestanumbers often confuses the American military with the pre-war Wehrmacht, just as she often confuses up with down.

[zeitgeist]

Oh, that point when a newcomer meets Vesta.  It's often like 

I'll never forget when Gina met up with Vesta.    

I have no idea why but your comment just brought to mind Pet Rocks and Mood Rings. 

[docstew]

I was an active duty Marine for 20+ years.  At no time did I ever take an oath to a President.  I, like so many others, took an oath to the US Consitution.  I consider that oath still in effect.  The military would never protect a Preident that was impeached and ordered removed from office by the Seante.

Remember this is coming from a Marine.

+1 from active Army. My oath is to the Constitution. I have a moral and legal obligation to disregard orders that contravene the Constitution.

[a777pilot]

+1 from active Army. My oath is to the Constitution. I have a moral and legal obligation to disregard orders that contravene the Constitution.

Thank you for your service and your attitude.

[BlueStateSaint]

+1 from active Army. My oath is to the Constitution. I have a moral and legal obligation to disregard orders that contravene the Constitution.

I'm an old cavalryman.  AFAIC, my oath to the Constitution is still in force.

[a777pilot]

I'm an old cavalryman.  AFAIC, my oath to the Constitution is still in force.

Thank you for your service.