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Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« on: April 10, 2014, 12:39:09 PM »
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 12:42:31 PM »
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..."It’s a powder keg situation, and fairly recent history shows that when there’s a powder keg, the government’s default solution is to flick lit matches at it"...

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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 01:09:37 PM »
I think it was Hannity who asked him last night if he wasn't afraid this could turn into another Ruby Ridge situation.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 01:40:24 PM »
I just can't help thinking of a hapless shoe salesman married to a redhead.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 02:14:13 PM »
What do you bet that every one of these assholes (the trouble makers in the story) is paid with public funds?


Meet the "bio diversity" Nazis.


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/index.html

Pretty decent pay scale too:

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Communications Associate – Population and Sustainability Program

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Starting salary $40,000 - $50,000. The Center offers an excellent benefits package, including employer-paid medical, dental, vision, disability and life insurance and a 403(b) retirement savings plan with employer match.

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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 03:00:11 PM »
What do you bet that every one of these assholes (the trouble makers in the story) is paid with public funds?


Meet the "bio diversity" Nazis.


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/index.html

Pretty decent pay scale too:

 :thatsright:

I do not know about the male officers but from what I see they have some very well trained K9's.

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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 05:10:52 PM »
I'm betting that it will be Ruby Ridge or Waco al over again and not one person will have to answer for it AGAIN. The White House would just pardon them if it even result in a trial and guilty verdicts.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 05:33:16 PM »
What do you bet that every one of these assholes (the trouble makers in the story) is paid with public funds?


Meet the "bio diversity" Nazis.


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/index.html

Pretty decent pay scale too:

 :thatsright:
I went down the list and read every damn one of them. I saw the problem right off the bat....over half of them are damn lawyers so therefore not a speck of commonsense in the crowd. No knowledge about anything thing but law and trying to use the law to show their authority.

Let them pick up a gun and go take Mr. Bundy's cows....and I want a ticket for that at any price.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 05:59:10 PM »
I'm betting that it will be Ruby Ridge or Waco al over again and not one person will have to answer for it AGAIN. The White House would just pardon them if it even result in a trial and guilty verdicts.

The way that crowd is building, I'd say less like Waco or Ruby Ridge, more like Lexington or Concord; Breed's Hill at worst.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 06:02:22 PM »
The way that crowd is building, I'd say less like Waco or Ruby Ridge, more like Lexington or Concord; Breed's Hill at worst.

I wonder if the National Guard will respond.  The governor is backing Bandy so far.

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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 06:16:18 PM »
What do you bet that every one of these assholes (the trouble makers in the story) is paid with public funds?


Meet the "bio diversity" Nazis.


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/about/staff/index.html

Pretty decent pay scale too:

 :thatsright:

I am not suggesting of using any government power, but many of these environmental and animal rights groups should be investigated and audited by the IRS. Many of them have history of terrorism.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 07:16:00 PM »
The 58 year old woman who got knocked down by Fed thugs was also a cancer survivor.  And the Feds tased the man who rushed in to help her three times!

Here's video of the scene when that happened.  You can hear the tasers being activated. 

http://youtu.be/LhJ6H9vlEDA

The concern that the cattle were being pulled off calves and/or killed is a real possibility.  About the best source for info on this whole unbelievable mess is a Facebook page entitled "We Support Cliven Bundy."


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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2014, 05:40:45 AM »
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2014, 08:45:05 PM »
I known this is from Alex Jones as it was linked at Drudge Report. I am not an Alex Jones fan as I think he is a kook.  :mental:

Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2014, 08:45:42 PM »
I known this is from Alex Jones as it was linked at Drudge Report. I am not an Alex Jones fan as I think he is a kook.  :mental:

Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/
Wouldn't surprise me one bit.  He's been silent on the issue and has a history of land dealings.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2014, 09:21:19 PM »
I had to look up this Alex Jones dude since he was mentioned in relation to the Bundys' situation.  I agree, he is a kook.

But the situation out there and the reasons behind it are becoming 'darker.'  I don't know if y'all consider Breibart to be a good news source, I don't believe any of them without triple checking in other places, but below is a link to an article connecting Reid's kid to a Chinese deal on the land.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Harry-Reid-s-Son-Representing-Chinese-Solar-Panel-Plant-In-5-Billion-Nevada-Deal

Oh, remember the tortoises?  The ones that have pretty much thrived in that area eating the bugs that live in the cow manure, and benefitting from the water improvements that the Bundy family has made for more than 100 years?  Yeah, those tortoises.  This is how well the Feds care for them:

http://now.motherearthnews.com/story/nature/next-story/30684174736e3878396474536f6b6b675a496e726d673d3d

There are many reports on the impending demise of the tortoises, but I chose one from Mother Earth views in deference to lurking DUmmies who think all ranchers are "fat cat 1%ers."  Not that I really give a crap what those goobers think.  But, I will tell you that when a rancher sees one of the tortoises, he or she usually stops and admires it.  Often takes a picture, and if there are others nearby will definitely point it out so they, too, can admire it. 

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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2014, 09:57:12 PM »
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Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch

The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.

Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.
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Yeah.
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Re: Things getting serious at the Bundy ranch.
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2014, 11:25:55 PM »
Infowars

Yeah.

Amazingly the water, from Lake Mead, in this case, is just a bonus.  

Out here, we knew how to fight for water.  It was always about water.

We need to get up to speed.  Fricking have to guess on a global level "who wants what."  And while we enjoy our lifestyle, and are proud of what we produce, we have to realize there are short-sighted people who only want what benefits them immediately.  We must become more aggressive.  

I don't know the Bundy's.  I suspect if I did, I'd think he was a bit of a jerk.  But, able to separate "principles from personalities" I support them completely.  The BLM is playing third grade playground politics.

What was good and appreciated until 1993 still works for all the livestock and wildlife that are impacted.  So what that the BLM changes the rules like a little kid.  You don't' do that out here.  What you said still goes.  If enough changes, then you get with the guy(s) involved and come to an agreement.  

That used to be how we did things.

Apparently not anymore.  We all expect the BLM thugs at our doors at any moment.  

And hardly anybody gives a crap.  We're just hicks.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2014, 12:42:26 PM »
THE FEDS BLINK: BLM ENDS ROUNDUP OF BUNDY CATTLE IN NEVADA -

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_35238.php#sthash.dU2mFKzI.dpuf

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The I-Team has learned the deal to end the gather was brokered by Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie. According to sources, the BLM wants to proceed with the sale of the cattle already gathered during the roundup but is reportedly willing to share the revenue from the sale with Bundy. Sheriff Gillespie has been negotiating with Bundy behind the scenes for months reached a tentative agreement Friday night, though Bundy insisted the sheriff come to his ranch to finalize the arrangement face-to-face -
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2014, 01:30:23 PM »
Seems to be over for now.  We'll see how the dollars and cents come out on this deal.

http://www.mynews3.com/default.aspx

Here is a video of a county commissioner from Utah.  Summarizes why this issue was important to many of us out here.

http://youtu.be/sQW6y9tgSo4

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2014, 01:33:22 PM »
Here is a clear and as concise as possible explanation about the deal:

Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner

There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment.

In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land.

Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen.

This is the very thing that Clive Bundy singlehandedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

Written By Kena Lytle Gloeckner

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2014, 02:07:36 PM »
My blood pressure shoots up every time I read this thread. I have had to deal with the arrogant assholes from the federal government. Usually the really arrogant assholes stay hidden in an office far away and send flunkies out to do the dirty work. So, if it were to come down to shooting someone, don't shoot the one standing in front of you but shoot the coward hiding in that far away office.

It's those hidden cowards that want to restrict your right to own a gun. They know they've pushed people just about as far as they can push them with papers and laws.....to push farther they need to do it at the point of a gun and they don't want you to have one to push back with.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2014, 03:46:55 PM »
My blood pressure shoots up every time I read this thread. I have had to deal with the arrogant assholes from the federal government. Usually the really arrogant assholes stay hidden in an office far away and send flunkies out to do the dirty work. So, if it were to come down to shooting someone, don't shoot the one standing in front of you but shoot the coward hiding in that far away office.

It's those hidden cowards that want to restrict your right to own a gun. They know they've pushed people just about as far as they can push them with papers and laws.....to push farther they need to do it at the point of a gun and they don't want you to have one to push back with.

I can't help but wonder how this would have gone if there weren't a few hundred people hanging around.  More than a few probably armed.

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2014, 03:54:21 PM »
I can't help but wonder how this would have gone if there weren't a few hundred people hanging around.  More than a few probably armed.
They were out manned and probably out gunned and they knew it so they left. They will be back. Next time with more people, arms and probably some type APC.
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2014, 04:04:00 PM »
They were out manned and probably out gunned and they knew it so they left. They will be back. Next time with more people, arms and probably some type APC.

I bet a lot of the local law enforcement weren't too thrilled with what the Feds were doing. 

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