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Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« on: May 17, 2011, 01:42:48 AM »
I will preview this discussion by saying that I have never considered myself to be a racist- you guys can decide if you think this is untrue.  I currently live with a guy from Lesotho, and during my undergraduate years I spent 2 years living with good friends from Guatemala and Chile.  I've never disliked anyone because of the color of their skin, nor have I ever jumped to immediate conclusions about someone before getting to know them because of their race/ethnicity.

I think that in theory, affirmative action is a great thing.  It is a novel idea to make campuses diverse and have a mixture of people.  However, in practice I believe it has truly failed.  I attended Harvard as an undergrad, and so I will describe my experience there to give you all an idea of where I am coming from.  I think that if two students are equally qualified for a school, giving the edge to one who is black over another who is white is not a bad thing- diversity is good.  However, with affirmative action this never seems to be the case, and almost always it is a student of color less qualified getting the edge over a white/Chinese student who is qualified.  A good friend of mine from California with Mexican background received a 27 on the ACT (not to overemphasize the ACT as a measure of intelligence) and was accepted into Harvard.  I can honestly say that the cut-off for even considering Harvard at my high school was a 33.  Now, does this have any real impact?  I think yes.  The students of color (Black/Latino) who were not international students (who I found to be some of the most brilliant and interesting students enrolled), as a whole performed significantly worse academically in my experience than did the non-colored students.  In my freshmen year a large number of students took psychology 101, known as one of the least difficult classes on campus.  That year I lived on a floor with 3 African-American students and 4 Latino students.  The highest grade between the 7 of them was a B-.  I can assure you that my white friends from the upper-middle class suburban town who were rejected from Harvard and ended up at a lesser school could have just as easily gotten an A in that class.  Now, do students of color have significantly lower GPA's than those other students?  I have not seen the data nor do I know that it exists.  I would expect not, and the reason being that these students tend to (a quite surprisingly high percentage) pursue majors in Africana Studies and Latina/Latino Studies.  I would be interested to see the breakdown of majors for different student elasticities.  I took a class in the Africana Studies department my sophomore year and was shocked when I was one of three white students in a thirty-five student lecture.  Because the professors much grade each student relative to the class as a whole, these classes tend to be incredibly undemanding and the same students who received C-s in psych 101 find themselves at the median in their Africana studies classes.  I received an A in the course and can honestly say I have not done less work in a class since my early years of high school.  I think that neither party (the school or the students of color) gain very much from an under-qualified student being thrown into an environment where their intelligence is in fact not comparable to the other students.  The same students who were helped in because of their race were the ones complaining that they wished they had gone to state schools, avoiding any reasonably difficult class, and often feeling lost in an environment that did not allow them to excel.

As for my thoughts on racism.  Racism is obviously very much prevalent in the U.S. predominantly in the South.  I think often times people misinterpret many things for racism, however.  During my college years I tended to find that the African American (non-international) students were more obnoxious, bothersome, and rude, as a whole.  They were the ones shouting loudly and hollering across the library at late hours of the night during exam week, swearing at 2am in the student center, and generally being loud and at many times annoying.  Are there plenty of white students who did the exact same thing? Yes, and they annoyed me just the same.  However, the proportions were not equal, and so as a whole, during college I tended to not enjoy the company of most of the African-American students who went to my school.  Did I still have African-American friends, eat lunch with them, hang-out.  Yes.  Not generalizing to the whole, just stating a finding that held true on average.  Do I still wait to get to know anyone regardless of their race before making a judgment about them- I try my best.

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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 02:22:13 AM »


As for my thoughts on racism.  Racism is obviously very much prevalent in the U.S. predominantly in the South.  I think often times people misinterpret many things for racism, however.

Contradict yourself much?  And nice broad brush statement, next you'll be saying that there's anti-Semitism in Germany because of the history of atrocities committed there.

Does racism exist?  Certainly.  Does it exist predominantly in the South?  No, you jackass.  It's just as racist to say that an African-American can't do something on their own as it is to say they are inferior.  It's racist to believe that all people of an ethnic group must believe the same things.  There's more racism at DU than there ever would be at anything short of a Klan rally (and did I mention that the KKK was a Democrat organization?  Along with most slave-owners and proponents of Jim Crow laws being Democrats as well)

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 04:15:38 AM »


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As for my thoughts on racism.  Racism is obviously very much prevalent in the U.S. predominantly in the South.

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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 06:46:34 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 07:26:24 AM »
Contradict yourself much?  And nice broad brush statement, next you'll be saying that there's anti-Semitism in Germany because of the history of atrocities committed there.

Does racism exist?  Certainly.  Does it exist predominantly in the South?  No, you jackass.  It's just as racist to say that an African-American can't do something on their own as it is to say they are inferior.  It's racist to believe that all people of an ethnic group must believe the same things.  There's more racism at DU than there ever would be at anything short of a Klan rally (and did I mention that the KKK was a Democrat organization?  Along with most slave-owners and proponents of Jim Crow laws being Democrats as well)

Yeah, it's so racist blacks are still fleeing the South.

In a reversal, more blacks moving back to South

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"It's no coincidence that the shift is happening as we encounter economic turmoil that is being felt disproportionately among blacks, such as mortgage foreclosures, loss of jobs and economic devastation in major Northern hubs," said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau. "With major changes and less racial devastation in the South, people are finding their way back."

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BTW, anyone notice the migration seems to parallel the timeline the political scene went from Democrat to Republican?
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 08:07:21 AM »
Racism is obviously very much prevalent in the U.S. predominantly in the South.

Not generalizing to the whole, just stating a finding that held true on average.  Do I still wait to get to know anyone regardless of their race before making a judgment about them- I try my best.

So you "try your best" not to generalize about color, but have absolutely no problem in generalizing about the South.  I wish I could give you more than one BS for your BS.  You sound exactly like a DUmbazz, exactly.

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 08:21:19 AM »
Stereotypers are all alike.

Ain't that the damn truth..... :lmao: :lmao:
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 08:43:37 AM »
Back to the point instead of personalities, Intelligento, I would respond to your comments on affirmative action by saying that it is an issue of scale.  What may be a good idea, or at least a worthwhile stab at one, on a very small scale can become a disaster when it is translated to a large scale.  Perhaps it is an artifact of our industrial heritage and the follow-on digital revolution, but we are all too ready to believe that everything is scalable, when that is not the case if real humans are a key element of the product or process instead of just actors in it.

In the case of the Ivy League AA policies, what it effectively does is discount the value of the sheepskin.  To a lesser extent the same is true of their legacy admissions, but those graduates tend to be incredibly connected and set up so that the sheepskin is simply a ticket punch rather than the ticket itself - the Kennedys, Bushes, and Kerrys of the world.  In a peculiar sense, their AA policies actually foster racism, because aside from the prospect of being hired as a token from the outset, the racial minority graduate of these schools has to overcome the well-known fact that he or she successfully completed a program with much lower standards than White male students in the same class, and therefore if the employer is looking for technical competence, they'd really be better off hiring a graduate of well-reputed land grant college, with the plus of not having to pay a premium for an Ivy League degree that doesn't really mean anything special.     
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2011, 09:02:40 AM »
So you "try your best" not to generalize about color, but have absolutely no problem in generalizing about the South.  I wish I could give you more than one BS for your BS.  You sound exactly like a DUmbazz, exactly.

I'm thinking you are from the south.  Did not say all southerners are racists- not by any means.  Have family down there who is not racist at all; also have family there who is highly racist.  Don't take an impersonal remark personally, it'll never get you very far. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 09:07:53 AM »
Contradict yourself much?  And nice broad brush statement, next you'll be saying that there's anti-Semitism in Germany because of the history of atrocities committed there.

Does racism exist?  Certainly.  Does it exist predominantly in the South?  No, you jackass.  It's just as racist to say that an African-American can't do something on their own as it is to say they are inferior.  It's racist to believe that all people of an ethnic group must believe the same things.  There's more racism at DU than there ever would be at anything short of a Klan rally (and did I mention that the KKK was a Democrat organization?  Along with most slave-owners and proponents of Jim Crow laws being Democrats as well)

I think confusing 200+ years of slavery and a 5 year Holocaust led by a single dictator is a little bit dangerous.  I also think blaming late 19th century Democrats for being aligned with Jim Crowe is dangerous and the line between the parties of today and the parties of 100+ years ago is thick and hard to gloss over.  Please do not take what I say back to DU vs. here.  I don't appreciate it and it limits the scope of my argument and turns it into an argument I don't care to have.  Are there racist Democrats? Yes.  Are there racist Republicans?  Also yes.  I know both.

I'd also ask you to please stop deviating from the core of my post which was centered around affirmative action. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 09:14:00 AM »
I'm thinking you are from the south.  Did not say all southerners are racists- not by any means.  Have family down there who is not racist at all; also have family there who is highly racist.  Don't take an impersonal remark personally, it'll never get you very far. 

Your family in the south being racist doesn't conclude that racism doesn't exist in the North nor does it conclude that it is more prevalent in the South.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 09:16:09 AM »
Your family in the south being racist doesn't conclude that racism doesn't exist in the North nor does it conclude that it is more prevalent in the South.

More prevalent in the south != non-existent in the north, nor did I make that claim.  I've found in my experience there to be much more obvious racism in the south.  It is my opinion; fine, disagree.  Like I said, please get back to my original argument and stop making this a north v. south debacle that I never intended (nor do I want) to participate in.

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 09:30:24 AM »
More prevalent in the south != non-existent in the north, nor did I make that claim.  I've found in my experience there to be much more obvious racism in the south.  It is my opinion; fine, disagree.  Like I said, please get back to my original argument and stop making this a north v. south debacle that I never intended (nor do I want) to participate in.

Could it be that in the south we see a lot more of that bad behavior that so pissed you off at HAA-vard? Besides, that bunch at HAA-vard was supposed to be the upper crust of the black race, was it not?

Be yee certain for the truth shall set you free....or make you racist as the case may be.

I was just interupted by a phone call from my son. He went to the main school office to call me...(use of cell phones not allowed) ... He's going to a classmates house after school to finish a European History project that they have been weeking on in class for a week (students were paired up for project). The reason they can't finish it in class, "The blacks won't behave. They're yelling, screaming, laughing, talking and the teacher can't do anything about it because that would be racist." ...and these are supposed to be the above average, advanced students....sheeeesh.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 09:35:48 AM »
Maybe it would be helpful if you defined exactly what you mean by "racism."

Before you got here, there was a guy who called the Tea Partiers racists, and had a weird definition. He ran away.

Speaking for myself, I'm a bit leery when the term "racism" comes up these days.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 09:36:14 AM »
Could it be that in the south we see a lot more of that bad behavior that so pissed you off at HAA-vard? Besides, that bunch at HAA-vard was supposed to be the upper crust of the black race, was it not?

Be yee certain for the truth shall set you free....or make you racist as the case may be.

That is weird. I NEVER experienced black people shouting all over the library at Augusta State. They didn't interrupt in class, participated in the discussions in a very intelligent manner, and, well, I didn't see any difference between the white or black students.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2011, 09:51:08 AM »
I'm thinking you are from the south.  Did not say all southerners are racists- not by any means.  Have family down there who is not racist at all; also have family there who is highly racist.  Don't take an impersonal remark personally, it'll never get you very far. 

TRANSLATION: I'm not racist. Some of my best friends are southern crackas.


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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2011, 10:05:11 AM »
That is weird. I NEVER experienced black people shouting all over the library at Augusta State. They didn't interrupt in class, participated in the discussions in a very intelligent manner, and, well, I didn't see any difference between the white or black students.

The last time I was in a mixed college environment was 44 years ago. There were still some remnants of southern manners then.

I never attended an intergrated school until college. But being more or less fresh out of high school when they were intergrated here, I got wind of how it was...no problems...the black kids had come from schools that had the same disciplinary rules the white schools had had. But over the years, and I think with influence from Al and Jesse, they have learned they can get away with anything if they just scream racism.

I thought long and hard about putting my son in a private school. Then I thought, "He's going to have to live and work with the general public. He might as well learn how to do that as he grows up so it won't be such a shock to him."  The first 6 years weren't bad but starting in middle school it has been down hill since then.

Next year he'll have enough credits to graduate a year early. I'm going to make him stay 12 full years. He can pick up some college credits that last year so it won't be a total waste.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2011, 10:07:02 AM »
....Some of my best friends are southern crackas.....

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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2011, 11:47:13 AM »
I will preview this discussion by saying that I have never considered myself to be a racist- you guys can decide if you think this is untrue.  I currently live with a guy from Lesotho, and during my undergraduate years I spent 2 years living with good friends from Guatemala and Chile.  I've never disliked anyone because of the color of their skin, nor have I ever jumped to immediate conclusions about someone before getting to know them because of their race/ethnicity.

I think that in theory, affirmative action is a great thing.  It is a novel idea to make campuses diverse and have a mixture of people.  However, in practice I believe it has truly failed.  I attended Harvard as an undergrad, and so I will describe my experience there to give you all an idea of where I am coming from.  I think that if two students are equally qualified for a school, giving the edge to one who is black over another who is white is not a bad thing- diversity is good.  However, with affirmative action this never seems to be the case, and almost always it is a student of color less qualified getting the edge over a white/Chinese student who is qualified.  A good friend of mine from California with Mexican background received a 27 on the ACT (not to overemphasize the ACT as a measure of intelligence) and was accepted into Harvard.  I can honestly say that the cut-off for even considering Harvard at my high school was a 33.  Now, does this have any real impact?  I think yes.  The students of color (Black/Latino) who were not international students (who I found to be some of the most brilliant and interesting students enrolled), as a whole performed significantly worse academically in my experience than did the non-colored students.  In my freshmen year a large number of students took psychology 101, known as one of the least difficult classes on campus.  That year I lived on a floor with 3 African-American students and 4 Latino students.  The highest grade between the 7 of them was a B-.  I can assure you that my white friends from the upper-middle class suburban town who were rejected from Harvard and ended up at a lesser school could have just as easily gotten an A in that class.  Now, do students of color have significantly lower GPA's than those other students?  I have not seen the data nor do I know that it exists.  I would expect not, and the reason being that these students tend to (a quite surprisingly high percentage) pursue majors in Africana Studies and Latina/Latino Studies.  I would be interested to see the breakdown of majors for different student elasticities.  I took a class in the Africana Studies department my sophomore year and was shocked when I was one of three white students in a thirty-five student lecture.  Because the professors much grade each student relative to the class as a whole, these classes tend to be incredibly undemanding and the same students who received C-s in psych 101 find themselves at the median in their Africana studies classes.  I received an A in the course and can honestly say I have not done less work in a class since my early years of high school.  I think that neither party (the school or the students of color) gain very much from an under-qualified student being thrown into an environment where their intelligence is in fact not comparable to the other students.  The same students who were helped in because of their race were the ones complaining that they wished they had gone to state schools, avoiding any reasonably difficult class, and often feeling lost in an environment that did not allow them to excel.

As for my thoughts on racism.  Racism is obviously very much prevalent in the U.S. predominantly in the South.  I think often times people misinterpret many things for racism, however.  During my college years I tended to find that the African American (non-international) students were more obnoxious, bothersome, and rude, as a whole.  They were the ones shouting loudly and hollering across the library at late hours of the night during exam week, swearing at 2am in the student center, and generally being loud and at many times annoying.  Are there plenty of white students who did the exact same thing? Yes, and they annoyed me just the same.  However, the proportions were not equal, and so as a whole, during college I tended to not enjoy the company of most of the African-American students who went to my school.  Did I still have African-American friends, eat lunch with them, hang-out.  Yes.  Not generalizing to the whole, just stating a finding that held true on average.  Do I still wait to get to know anyone regardless of their race before making a judgment about them- I try my best.


First of all, get out of Harvard.  You (or your parents) are paying way too much for you to attend a liberal arts school.  Put your money into an education (ie hard sciences) that will give you a return for your investment.

Second, affirmative action in theory is just as big a failure as it is in reality.  By using skin color and ethnic/demographic background as a higher qualifier than actual ability is telling those that do not qualify on the merits of their talent that they'll be let in because they can't make it on their own.  Or, as President Bush so correctly stated, the soft bigotry of low expectations.  What you are seeing in school and what you will see later in life in the job place is the utter failure of affirmative action.

Third, it has been my experience that those who claim the loudest that they aren't racist are generally the first to use race as a means to group individuals (see bolded above).  If you were not racist, why do you need to talk about your White, Latino, "African-American", etc friends as if they are segmented by their heritage?  Why don't you just have friends?  Does it really matter so much what color they are that you have to go out of your way to identify them as such?

Fourth, if you don't want a discussion about the South, don't bring it up.  And, while you're at it, don't count on insulting the South (and Southerners by extension) and think it will go unchallenged.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2011, 11:56:29 AM »
... If you were not racist, why do you need to talk about your White, Latino, "African-American", etc friends as if they are segmented by their heritage?  Why don't you just have friends?  Does it really matter so much what color they are that you have to go out of your way to identify them as such?

They aren't friends, they're boxes to be checked-off to build one's liberal bona fides.

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Fourth, if you don't want a discussion about the South, don't bring it up.  And, while you're at it, don't count on insulting the South (and Southerners by extension) and think it will go unchallenged.

Seriously.

There's a reason I don't waste my time bringing-up what a bunch of arrogant, helpless, uselessly-educated, busy-bodies northerners can be.

And they reek of Canadian sex-love.

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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2011, 12:02:36 PM »

Third, it has been my experience that those who claim the loudest that they aren't racist are generally the first to use race as a means to group individuals (see bolded above).  If you were not racist, why do you need to talk about your White, Latino, "African-American", etc friends as if they are segmented by their heritage?  Why don't you just have friends?  Does it really matter so much what color they are that you have to go out of your way to identify them as such?

Fourth, if you don't want a discussion about the South, don't bring it up.  And, while you're at it, don't count on insulting the South (and Southerners by extension) and think it will go unchallenged.

First off, nothing wrong with a liberal arts school.  I'm no longer even at Harvard so the point is moot, but a liberal arts education is certainly not a bad thing- if you were not able to receive one yourself that is no reason to go whining about the uselessness of it. Not sure what kind of "return" for my money you are speaking of, but in terms of a monetary return I've done more than ok with my degree.

As for my identification of my friends by their race, was it not clear that the point of my argument was to point out that the friends (or floormates) of mine who were of color were not as academically qualified as those not of color.  Is this saying they are less academically qualified because of their race? No, it is an "and" statement.  They are not "segmented by their heritages."  They are segmented by their intellectual prowess, which, in my experience, also separated them out into their own heritages by default.  Later on I mentioned the same thing (which you seem to have missed).  A number of the African-American students at Harvard were disrespectful.  Is this saying that they are disrespectful because they are black? Absolutely not, it is one thing, and many of them happened to share a similar heritage.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2011, 12:11:47 PM »
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2011, 12:14:20 PM »
First off, nothing wrong with a liberal arts school.  I'm no longer even at Harvard so the point is moot, but a liberal arts education is certainly not a bad thing- if you were not able to receive one yourself that is no reason to go whining about the uselessness of it. Not sure what kind of "return" for my money you are speaking of, but in terms of a monetary return I've done more than ok with my degree.

He's not whining. If you want to see whining, go to DU. There's a shitload of those useless parasites with liberal arts degrees over there that either can't find work or can't stay employed.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 12:15:49 PM »
I'll ask again...


Maybe it would be helpful if you defined exactly what you mean by "racism."

Before you got here, there was a guy who called the Tea Partiers racists, and had a weird definition. He ran away.

Speaking for myself, I'm a bit leery when the term "racism" comes up these days.
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Re: Affirmative Action and my other 'racist' thoughts
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2011, 12:42:30 PM »
I'll ask again...


Maybe it would be helpful if you defined exactly what you mean by "racism."

Before you got here, there was a guy who called the Tea Partiers racists, and had a weird definition. He ran away.

Speaking for myself, I'm a bit leery when the term "racism" comes up these days.

Hmm I'll take a stab at this one.  I'd define racism as the making assumptions/judgments/drawing conclusions about someone because of their race, in most cases nasty ones, without knowing the individual.  Essentially believing that people are different (once again mainly in a negative way), due entirely to their race.