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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: BernieSupporter on February 24, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
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So, uhm, this has been an interesting week for me, obviously.
After I dropped my friend home last night (and tucked him in -- see my other thread if you haven't seen it), I couldn't sleep. I had so much going through my brain. I thought about some of the conversations on here. I really couldn't sleep.
So what do I find myself doing? I called my friend's dad, who graciously gave me his cell phone number this week. He was free this morning and said he could squeeze me in if I could get to where he works. Took a Zipcar out there and me with him. I had to skip one of my classes (my communication class -- I have a perfect attendance record and the teacher is really laid back.)
It's one of those things that will always stay in my mind. I had to wait a few minutes. His secretary finally let me in. Even though his office is next to his plant, he still has a plush sort of place. Dark furniture and he sat back in a chair like it was his throne. He wanted to know what I wanted.
So I thanked him for his time the other day. And I said I thought about it. And that he was right.
He leaned back and asked me to repeat that and explain it.
So I told him he was right. About being a Republican. But, most importantly, about being wealthy and being proud of being wealthy, and not wanting to give up what he owns. He made it for himself. And he laughed again and said that he knew there was something I wanted to say. So I told him.
I just flat-out said that I want to be rich. And that the best way for people to become rich and successful is if our country had a system in place to better reward people who took chances. And that Bernie's ideas would do nothing but bankrupt the people who actually make things to reward people who don't deserve them.
This was obviously music to his ears. A huge smirk on his face. And I'll never forget what he said.
"No one wants to admit it, but a---holes like me run the world. And once you realize that, you can have that, too. Welcome to the darkside." Then he said if I wanted to intern at his place he had room for me starting in a few weeks. So I think I'm going to do that.
He actually went to our college and is on some board at the business school. He's going to set me up with the dean over there to explore my academic options later on today. He said that he'd help and give me some suggestions, too. I might just let him register me for classes.
Got back to school. What do I see on my door? A Trump sign. I'm supposed to catch up with my friend tonight for some drinks (shhh) so I'm sure that will be a fun chat.
Anyways, I thought you'd like to hear this story. And I also want to say the following:
I learned my lesson.
You were all right all along.
I am no longer voting for Bernie Sanders. His policies really are ridiculous.
And I am now (and hopefully forever will be) a conservative.
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First, bitchslapped for being a suck up and a sell-out.
Second, welcome to the other [comfy] side.
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Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies!!
KC
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Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.
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You were never truly wrong. You weren't a good fit with the Bernie crowd (i.e., you were WORKING towards a goal to better yourself, and you were willing to listen to different thought).
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No offense intended but I have a healthy dose of skepticism about things,not intended as an insult but age and experience.
A couple of points though.
First is that everyone dreams of being rich but that is neither the only mark of success in life or of being conservative.
See Hillary Clinton about that as no person alive has shown the ruthless greed she has.
Second is that nowhere is being successful tied to being an asshole.
They come in all stripes,income levels and political persuasion.
Being a conservative is about values,having self respect and a desire to achieve.
That is not always measured by what is written on a check.
It is who one is as a person.
It is about having compassion while recognizing a free ride does not deliver a happy person.
Nothing wrong with anyone having a goal to be "rich".
Just keep in mind that the word has more meanings to us then simply a monetary one.
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That's an excellent post, Carl. BernieBro, please read it again slowly. Flagator, if it's an anti bouncy, I'm not sure what the point of it was.
BernGuy, congrats on the insight, and also on getting an internship. There is nothing better. I had one, and not only does it look great on a resume, but it can teach you what you don't want to do. In my case, that was internal audit. Gad, nothing worse.
I hope you change your screenname, and stay on here. It's a peck of fun making fun of the DUmmies.
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I could see it coming . . . :-)
If I might suggest a new userid, how 'bout "FmrBernSupporter" or "FmrBernFeeler?" :whistling:
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I don't know if it is true or not but I found it a fairly well-told story.
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Forum rules ask cave members to be nice to the new guys. And I respect that. Even doubters are being very respectful in this thread. I'm gonna take on a more confrontational tone and I'll pay the price if I'm wrong. If I'm right, then I think you're creating a false narrative about people on the right, who they are and what they believe in, and then you're gonna get us all to agree with you and make us look like aholes. I'm not sure why that's important, unless you're trying to prove a point. But I'll show you where I'm coming from.....
It's one of those things that will always stay in my mind. I had to wait a few minutes. His secretary finally let me in. Even though his office is next to his plant, he still has a plush sort of place. Dark furniture and he sat back in a chair like it was his throne. He wanted to know what I wanted.
Excellent descriptive writing in what I suspect is your attempt to create the perfect stereotype of the evil republican business owner. I'm starting to imagine Montgomery Burns.
So I told him he was right. About being a Republican. But, most importantly, about being wealthy and being proud of being wealthy, and not wanting to give up what he owns. He made it for himself. And he laughed again and said that he knew there was something I wanted to say. So I told him.
I think you're setting up this idea that to be a Republican is to be wealthy, proud, and selfish. But I'll humor you and suppose this guy is real which I'm starting to doubt. And I'll ask, is he proud of being wealthy or proud of having made something for himself and his family? And/or is he proud to be wealthy because half the country, the POTUS, and popular media says he should be ashamed to be wealthy? So his pride is a reaction to being shamed. And does he not want to give up what he owns, or...would he rather do it on his terms? Or have a bunch of people and the government calling him an ahole and forcing him to give up what he earns on their terms? That's theft.
I just flat-out said that I want to be rich. And that the best way for people to become rich and successful is if our country had a system in place to better reward people who took chances. And that Bernie's ideas would do nothing but bankrupt the people who actually make things to reward people who don't deserve them.
Aside from what I've bolded and will respond to, this entire statement sets out to define FALSELY what a capitalist free market system is. A system that rewards some, and screws over others. This is wrong, the system is meant to benefit everyone who tries and doesn't give up. Helping people who struggle is another issue.
Looking at your statement, I think you've missed the point entirely. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be rich. But there is a bigger picture idea: wanting to have as much control over your own destiny as you possible can in this imperfect world. All the left wants to do is create regulations for everything. How you talk, how you learn, how you spend money....how you feel......that isn't controlling your own destiny.
Also, Bernie isn't gonna bankrupt rich people, he's gonna bankrupt everyone. My kids and my kids kids are gonna take home -25 cents for every dollar they make because they're paying for all the stuff Bernie wants.....
This was obviously music to his ears. A huge smirk on his face. And I'll never forget what he said.
"No one wants to admit it, but a---holes like me run the world. And once you realize that, you can have that, too. Welcome to the darkside." Then he said if I wanted to intern at his place he had room for me starting in a few weeks. So I think I'm going to do that.
You're an excellent writer. Very descriptive when you want to be. This statement here furthers the great job you're doing in creating the archetypal evil rich Republican. At this point I'm really thinking you're a fake, and I'll take heat for saying this, but, if this is what you think it is to be a Republican, to be someone who values small government, liberty, privacy....then you're completely out of touch and wrong. You're clearly presenting money and power as something evil, "the darkside." This is what you've been taught. That power is evil.
I learned my lesson.
You were all right all along.
I am no longer voting for Bernie Sanders. His policies really are ridiculous.
And I am now (and hopefully forever will be) a conservative.
Why not just come out and ask us what it means to be a conservative? Because what you've presented in this story as to what it means to be a republican or a conservative, it's not only untrue, it fits exactly into the liberal narrative........
I seriously doubt I'm wrong about this, but if I am, I'll eat crow. Even if this story is true, and there really is this boss guy, I'll still say that you misunderstood your experience. You really are a good writer though, very descriptive and I'm rooting for the main character :)
EDIT: Strikethrough text was from a point that I edited out. I forgot to delete that part.
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... but, if this is what you think it is to be a Republican, to be someone who values small government, liberty, privacy....then you're completely out of touch and wrong.
Except for this part, I tend to agree with what you said.
Carl made excellent points.
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Except for this part, I tend to agree with what you said.
Carl made excellent points.
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Aww man, that's a mistake. Sorry about that. Thank you for getting that. I was editing and must have missed something.
I should have said, You're an excellent writer. Very descriptive when you want to be. This statement here furthers the great job you're doing in creating the archetypal evil rich Republican. At this point I'm really thinking you're a fake, and I'll take heat for saying this, but, if this is what you think it is to be a Republican, to be someone who values small government, liberty, privacy.... then you're completely out of touch and wrong. You're clearly presenting money and power as something evil, "the darkside." This is what you've been taught. That power is evil.
This: ... to be someone who values small government, liberty, privacy....
...was from something I edited out..... that was my generalized description of what a conservative is about...not even necessarily a republican....
I also realize my tone was very accusitory.....I don't like that I said, "at this point I'm really thinking you're a fake..." I do, but I shouldn't have articulated it that way. I do have the flu so please forgive me :)
I'll edit the post.... And yes, Carl picked up on what I saw before I did and was way more of a gentleman about it.
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Aww man, that's a mistake. Sorry about that. Thank you for getting that. I was editing and must have missed something.
I should have said,
This: ...was from something I edited out..... that was my generalized description of what a conservative is about...not even necessarily a republican....
I also realize my tone was very accusitory.....I don't like that I said, "at this point I'm really thinking you're a fake..." I do, but I shouldn't have articulated it that way. I do have the flu so please forgive me :)
I'll edit the post.... And yes, Carl picked up on what I saw before I did and was way more of a gentleman about it.
I'm not mad about you accusing me at all. That's fine. I am 100 percent real. But I don't want to fight to convince anyone. There's no way I ever will so what can I do?
Reading again, yeah, I made my friend's dad sound sorta generic. He was being super tongue-in-cheek. He has a really sarcastic sense of humor. And yes, people like me (Bernie supporters) do put this whole "evil stereotype" on Republicans, particularly people who are wealthy. He was playing that part up to me. I'm realizing the world isn't black and white and that people who are conservative aren't bad people, despite what a lot of my classmates think.
And, to be fair, my friend I made the bet with will be the first to admit he's an a-hole to people. He's really funny and a good guy, but just doesn't really hide his feelings to anyone. I respect that.
I wasn't planning on posting too much after this last note. You all are really nice and everything and I'll check in time to time. But it's not my thing. Just came here because of the terms of the wager I made and found a nice group of folks.
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Anyways, I thought you'd like to hear this story. And I also want to say the following:
I learned my lesson.
You were all right all along.
I am no longer voting for Bernie Sanders. His policies really are ridiculous.
And I am now (and hopefully forever will be) a conservative.
Ex-Bernout, I salute you for the, apparently, honest consideration you gave to this endeavour. I have followed your saga from the start, not wanting to interfere unless you stumbled. As a lesson learned, you would have eventually come around as you joined the working world and started earning the big bucks. We are all 'liberal' and borderline socialists in our formative years to only be brought into the light as we notice more and more of our earnings disappear down the stinking rat hole that is the government.
Good luck! and don't feel you have comment on every post, just the ones that strike a nerve. Or make you laugh.
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I'm not mad about you accusing me at all. That's fine. I am 100 percent real. But I don't want to fight to convince anyone. There's no way I ever will so what can I do?
Reading again, yeah, I made my friend's dad sound sorta generic. He was being super tongue-in-cheek. He has a really sarcastic sense of humor. And yes, people like me (Bernie supporters) do put this whole "evil stereotype" on Republicans, particularly people who are wealthy. He was playing that part up to me. I'm realizing the world isn't black and white and that people who are conservative aren't bad people, despite what a lot of my classmates think.
And, to be fair, my friend I made the bet with will be the first to admit he's an a-hole to people. He's really funny and a good guy, but just doesn't really hide his feelings to anyone. I respect that.
I wasn't planning on posting too much after this last note. You all are really nice and everything and I'll check in time to time. But it's not my thing. Just came here because of the terms of the wager I made and found a nice group of folks.
Have you found similar reactions to other places you have visited in payment of this wager?
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Have you found similar reactions to other places you have visited in payment of this wager?
No. The other place I posted was super boring. We ended up just using this one. You all have a good sense of humor.
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No. The other place I posted was super boring. We ended up just using this one. You all have a good sense of humor.
You must have some questions of us don`t you?
As far as why have the values that we do.
None of us here,that I know of, are wealthy in a monetary sense so the tired old liberal canard that we are "voting against our own best interests" as the left perceives what they should be would apply.
Doesn`t this make you curious?
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You must have some questions of us don`t you?
As far as why have the values that we do.
None of us here,that I know of, are wealthy in a monetary sense so the tired old liberal canard that we are "voting against our own best interests" as the left perceives what they should be would apply.
Doesn`t this make you curious?
I'm always curious why someone believes the way they do.
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I'm always curious why someone believes the way they do.
Then please feel free to hang around and ask questions,perhaps this particular forum isn`t the best for that but there is a general discussion one that would provide a good venue.
Or if you see an opinion on matters posted within a thread then ask why that person feels that way.
If you are interested.
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No. The other place I posted was super boring. We ended up just using this one. You all have a good sense of humor.
Exberniesupporter, don't be a stranger. You're welcome back here anytime. We don't bite (hard), we enjoy life, and we can't allow what liberals have done and plan to do to this country. We just want to keep what we earn, we don't care if someone has more than we do, and most of all, we just want the @#& DAMED government to leave us alone! Our lives should be none of their business.
Fell free to come on back, we'll leave the light on for you.
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Is there a way to change my user name or do I have to create a new profile? I have a good new name idea you all will like.
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I'm always curious why someone believes the way they do.
I'll bite.
My wife believes the way she does, because she happened to be raised by the only thing worse than wolves: a house full of democrats.
It's hard to justify living a lifestyle that can't put food on a plate in front of a 5-year-old little girl, because both of the parents are too bone idle to work.
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I'll bite.
My wife believes the way she does, because she happened to be raised by the only thing worse than wolves: a house full of democrats.
It's hard to justify living a lifestyle that can't put food on a plate in front of a 5-year-old little girl, because both of the parents are too bone idle to work.
I was raised in a house full of democrats but my experience was somewhat different. My dad was one hard-working guy. Belonged to a union but said many times he'd get out IF HE COULD. He was an electrician, worked all the o/t he could. My parents also owned a small dairy store. My mom would work there, my dad would get off work and go to work at the store. they closed at 9. My little brother and I would be home. Mom would have dinner ready (she'd close the store for an hour in the afternoon, come home, cook, then go back to the store). we'd eat dinner, get ready for bed. They'd come home, give us a good night kiss, then rinse, repeat.
We never once went without food. Sometimes all I'd have for lunch is a cucumber sandwich (at be poked fun at because I was poor and couldn't have meat in the sandwich - this lead to "altercations" at recess), and some fig newtons. But we never went without.
Keep in mind, this is the early 60's, when the democrats of that day were further right than the republicans of today (not that they're that far right). My parents would roll over in their graves if they saw what the party has become.
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Cool story. Now, let's hit this Bong a few times to be sure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRgKC-gxYIA&index=30&list=RDTBpNtmanZ1Y
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I was raised in a house full of democrats but my experience was somewhat different. My dad was one hard-working guy. Belonged to a union but said many times he'd get out IF HE COULD. He was an electrician, worked all the o/t he could. My parents also owned a small dairy store. My mom would work there, my dad would get off work and go to work at the store. they closed at 9. My little brother and I would be home. Mom would have dinner ready (she'd close the store for an hour in the afternoon, come home, cook, then go back to the store). we'd eat dinner, get ready for bed. They'd come home, give us a good night kiss, then rinse, repeat.
We never once went without food. Sometimes all I'd have for lunch is a cucumber sandwich (at be poked fun at because I was poor and couldn't have meat in the sandwich - this lead to "altercations" at recess), and some fig newtons. But we never went without.
Keep in mind, this is the early 60's, when the democrats of that day were further right than the republicans of today (not that they're that far right). My parents would roll over in their graves if they saw what the party has become.
Same here. Most Dems in WV are pretty much repubs anywhere else. Now that they are no longer in power their true colors are shining thru. Walking out of senate committees when they don't get their way, harassing GOP senators, Wisconsin all over again. Throwing temper tantrums. Acting like children.
I think it was more of a mind set back then than anything else. Going on welfare was taboo... unless you were desperate. Ain't that way now. My dad told me he could not afford to send me to college when I hit 18 and if I wanted to go I was going to have to pay for it. The thought never crossed my mind to get whatever the federal grant was. So I went to work and went to school.
Nowdays, all I here from the kids is that can't do anything because they are poor.
I do not know if berniesupporter is sincere... only he knows that... I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though. Even if he is a flaming liberal he seems like good folk. :cheersmate:
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Same here. Most Dems in WV are pretty much repubs anywhere else. Now that they are no longer in power their true colors are shining thru. Walking out of senate committees when they don't get their way, harassing GOP senators, Wisconsin all over again. Throwing temper tantrums. Acting like children.
I think it was more of a mind set back then than anything else. Going on welfare was taboo... unless you were desperate. Ain't that way now. My dad told me he could not afford to send me to college when I hit 18 and if I wanted to go I was going to have to pay for it. The thought never crossed my mind to get whatever the federal grant was. So I went to work and went to school.
Nowdays, all I here from the kids is that can't do anything because they are poor.
I do not know if berniesupporter is sincere... only he knows that... I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though. Even if he is a flaming liberal he seems like good folk. :cheersmate:
Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.
Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).
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Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.
Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).
I would also add, don't make it so hard for a family with a mother and father to get help when one or both of them are working.
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Back then, food stamps were pulled out of a coupon book. You couldn't hide it. Today, with the cards, it's swiped just like a normal debit/credit card.
Go back to the coupons. Put the stigma back. Maybe some will go get a job. (That applies to black/white/brown/green man from Mars).
You may be right there. I think it also may have been that you usually knew the family that owned the grocery store and the girl running the register lived up the street. Didn't want the gossip to start.
Now days, big stores like Krogers, swipe and go. The idiot at the register could not care less. Don't even know what the price is cause it is all scanned.
I do agree with going back to the coupons. I think certain foods should be exempt... like steak and brand name items. Hell have a welfare aisle. Then I think that if they got a big buggy full of beer, cigs and junk food separate from the food, then they should not be allowed food.
I think the best thing is to have a welfare store that only has the staples. You go there... they give you the staples and that is the end of it. That would cut down on selling the food stamps because the stamps would have the recipient's name on them.
Don't matter... people will find a way around the system no matter what. :cheersmate:
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I would also add, don't make it so hard for a family with a mother and father to get help when one or both of them are working.
That is a double edged sword. Pretty much what we got now. For lots of people, there is no incentive to better yourself because you will lose the welfare.
I really don't have the solution to that. Wish I did.
At least they are working.
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When I was 20 years old(1976), I worked at our county Dept. of Social Services. I saw generational poverty, and learned about how the system actually rewards self-destructive behavior. When a 17-year old with a baby is set up in her own apartment, given Medicaid, food stamps, and a monthly check, it can look like quite the cushy life to a kid who has grown up without much.
We had one young woman client who was pregnant, and whose baby-daddy was a minor child whose mom was collecting AFDC for him. He said he thought the two of them would have three kids, courtesy of the taxpayer, before they got married, because why should he have to worry about medical bills?
Many years later I worked for a Christian non-profit. We worked with the churches in our community to meet specific needs. Every single item we were able to give--cribs, car seats, or whatever--came because people in our churches donated because they saw the needs and chose to give.
"Stuff" wasn't all we had to offer. We were sometimes able to provide services that government agencies weren't designed to give. I got a call one day from a NICU nurse who said that a young mom in our community had given birth to triplets, and needed some HELP! I put out a notice to all of our area churches: "Baby holders needed!" with a brief description. Wow! The calls flooded in!! Women were eager to reach out to this woman; to hold, cuddle, rock, and feed those babies. I got a call from one woman who had a disability and didn't feel comfortable holding a newborn, but was willing to regularly spend some special time with the big sister, who was probably feeling a little left out.
I had one woman who offered to do laundry for the babies. The mom seemed to think she had laundry under control, but I kept that lady in mind, and a few months later when I got a call about a different mom who was undergoing medical treatment and needed some help with laundry, I gave her a call. That began a relationship that continued for years, right up until the mom passed away.
At one point one of our clients needed $100 for a pair of special order shoes for her big-footed son. No government agency has funds for that kind of thing. I, personally, reached into my pocket and gave the $100.
You know what? Giving like that blessed me, in a way that being taxed for it never would have.
I'm just letting you know that not all conservatives are heartless or greedy, or "I've got mine, so kiss my a--" types. I have seen the social problems that Johnson's "Great Society" created, and know that all social programs have unintended consequences.
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Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.
I smell a Buzz and a Clik.
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That is a double edged sword. Pretty much what we got now. For lots of people, there is no incentive to better yourself because you will lose the welfare.
I really don't have the solution to that. Wish I did.
At least they are working.
That's what the problem is though. Say one of the parents could work overtime once in awhile, and earn more money or maybe an advancement in his/her job, they can't do it because that one time increase from overtime can mean a big cut in aid. They can't afford the cut, so they don't take a chance at bettering themselves.
We had a guy working at our shop with 6 kids and a stay at home wife that was getting some aid. (Not sure what kind) He would work overtime, but only if the company allowed him to take some straight time off. He worked on Sundays for OT instead of DT, and would take time off on Monday.
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That's what the problem is though. Say one of the parents could work overtime once in awhile, and earn more money or maybe an advancement in his/her job, they can't do it because that one time increase from overtime can mean a big cut in aid. They can't afford the cut, so they don't take a chance at bettering themselves.
We had a guy working at our shop with 6 kids and a stay at home wife that was getting some aid. (Not sure what kind) He would work overtime, but only if the company allowed him to take some straight time off. He worked on Sundays for OT instead of DT, and would take time off on Monday.
Only thing I can think of is to structure it so it encourages you to move up. Maybe the only real way is to make welfare so sucky that you want to get off it. I don't want people that are truly in hard times to starve either. I do not have the answer. Wish I did :shrug:
I do know that there will be a segment of the population that will take advantage no matter what you do. They are the ones that piss me off. :rant:
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Worst. Conversion. Ever.
Two bongs :stoner: :stoner:
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Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.
:cheersmate: Been my thought, all along. When the questions over specifics were repeatedly ignored yet, long drawn out posts were done as if following a script ...... yeah, well.
I'm thinking this is a (possible) class assignment.
This last post on the meeting sounds like he's meeting with Ernst Blofeld.
Excellent descriptive writing in what I suspect is your attempt to create the perfect stereotype of the evil republican business owner. I'm starting to imagine Montgomery Burns.
Or, that...... :-)
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
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:cheersmate: Been my thought, all along. When the questions over specifics were repeatedly ignored yet, long drawn out posts were done as if following a script ...... yeah, well.
I'm thinking this is a (possible) class assignment.
What was the guy's handle that decided he was going to write a paper on us evil rethugs? AllenJake or something like that? Maybe he has returned. :lmao:
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1) This is my new nickname. I figured you all would very much enjoy it.
2) I'll check in from time to time.
I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....
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I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....
Cruex!
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I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....
The old days. Get a shot and take pills for 7 days, and you're cured.
I heard that from a friend.
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I just use tough acting tinactin to extinguish my bern........... or penicillin.....
He's still a liberal. I'd suggest Vagisil. :whistling:
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Now that you crossed the Rubicon, here's a little homework assignment for you:
1. In three paragraphs, defend Laissez-faire economics, viz. the Austrian school, against Keynesian economic theory.
No time limit.
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2. Complete this sentence: The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is ___________.
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2. Complete this sentence: The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is ___________.
The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is existing.
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3. Read ths article: https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism
In three paragraphs or less, contrast Classical Liberalism to Democratic Socialism.
Then, in one paragraph, defend Classical Liberalism using your previous contrast against Democratic Socialism.
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Now that you crossed the Rubicon, here's a little homework assignment for you:
1. In three paragraphs, defend Laissez-faire economics, viz. the Austrian school, against Keynesian economic theory.
No time limit.
I have no idea what any of this means.
In all honesty: Take away the "no time limit" pledge and give me a deadline for me to meet. I'll find a way to answer all of your questions. And if I miss the deadline oh well. But seriously give me one so I have some motivation here.
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I have no idea what any of this means.
In all honesty: Take away the "no time limit" pledge and give me a deadline for me to meet. I'll find a way to answer all of your questions. And if I miss the deadline oh well. But seriously give me one so I have some motivation here.
OK. You have 72 hours to research the unfamiliar terms, and answer the questions.
You may ask 'why is he being so tough'? The answer is, 'because life is tough.'
You described yourself as a convert to 'conservatism'. These questions are part of the 'ism' in conservatism.
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OK. You have 72 hours to research the unfamiliar terms, and answer the questions.
You may ask 'why is he being so tough'? The answer is, 'because life is tough.'
You described yourself as a convert to 'conservatism'. These questions are part of the 'ism' in conservatism.
I will have a response to all of this by Monday at 3:30 p.m. eastern time.
I enjoy this sort of thing a lot. This is a great way to learn. I appreciate you being tough on me.
This is the only essay question I can do, obviously.
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I will have a response to all of this by Monday at 3:30 p.m. eastern time.
I enjoy this sort of thing a lot. This is a great way to learn. I appreciate you being tough on me.
This is the only essay question I can do, obviously.
You may request an extension on time, for good cause, but I expect you to answer all three questions. The learning process is as important as the answers.
I am tough, but fair.
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You may request an extension on time, for good cause, but I expect you to answer all three questions. The learning process is as important as the answers.
I am tough, but fair.
But, if you have a hot redheaded sister, I'm sure that BD would grade accordingly . . . :whistling:
:tongue:
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But, if you have a hot redheaded sister, I'm sure that BD would grade accordingly . . . :whistling:
:tongue:
You are correct, sir!
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Now that you crossed the Rubicon, here's a little homework assignment for you:
1. In three paragraphs, defend Laissez-faire economics, viz. the Austrian school, against Keynesian economic theory.
No time limit.
Had some time before my weekend begins. You didn't say I had to answer all three at the same time, Prof! This is all based on just using Google and the like. I actually know Keynes and the basics from history classes. Hope I did well! I'll answer the other two by Monday. The first two paragraphs describes Austrian School and Keyensian school. Then I answer the question.
The Austrian School of Economics says that our society is a collection of individuals that make choices for themselves, according to The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. Austrian School economists also believe that private ownership provides incentives to divide resources, which are inherently limited. Another explanation of the Austrian School, this one on Investopedia.com, says people create markets naturally. It gives an example that people, even those without experience in markets, left on a deserted island would eventually create a market mechanism. The Austrian School has been described as an early form of libertarianism, a philosophy that emphasizes limited government intervention into the lives of its citizens. The Austrian School also says prices act as a signal in the economic, natural interest rates and prices determine the amount of savings and production in an economy, and that savings and production drive economic growth and determine the strength of an economy. In short, the Austrian School says markets are essentially “hands off†and self-regulating, and government and other interventions into the market causes distortions like recessions and other economic hardships.
The Business Dictionary describes Keynesian economics as stating that economies are driven by the demand created by households, businesses and the government as opposed to that of the free market (as measured by Gross Domestic Product). Thus, one way to alter the downturn of the economy is to increase spending, particularly via the government. The most famous example of government intervention in the economy to spur economic success was via the New Deal, which saw a massive expansion of federal government programs intended to spur economic growth. Government intervention further came after our most recent recession, where President Obama introduced a stimulus package that saw government fund several projects intended to increase employment and spending.
Austrian economics has proven to be superior than Keynesian economics in several ways.
One way comes in the belief of what causes a recession. The Austrian School says recessions are part of a business cycle. The first step in the business cycle sees too much money enter an economy, either by the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates too low or banks lending too much money. An example of this comes from our most recent recession. Federal Reserve, known as the “bank of banks,†sets a “federal funds rate†used as a benchmark to set interest rates for banks to lend to businesses and individuals. Many critics have said this rate was set too low in the years before The Great Recession started in 2008, which inevitably distorted the market, leading to a recession. The movie “The Big Short†shows this. Large banks extended mortgages to many individuals not equipped to pay off their debts. Further problems were caused by government-required and sponsored policies that extended mortgages and other loans to entities unable to pay back their debts. This caused a nationwide rise in housing prices that inevitably caused a “bubble†that burst. Because of this bubble and the amount of outstanding loans, large banks required a taxpayer bailout in order not to collapse entirely. The easy access to money banks had (via a cheap interest rate) caused them to take too many risks, all because of a distorted market based off of intervention from both the Federal Reserve and government housing policies. This model has proven, at least in our most current economic collapse, true. Keynesian models suggest that recessions happen when savings outpace investment, which can lead to a glut of supply, which in turn reduces investment. However, Keynesian thinkers also subscribe a theory of “animal spirits†to a recessionary cause. In essence, this model says negative confidence can prevent investment and economic growth. This “animal spirits†theory is a vague response not based on any actual factual basis. When do people start believing the economy is bad? They essentially believe the economy is bad when jobs are lost – as in, the economy has already turned bad. It’s a weak theory, at best.
Another way the Austrian School of Economics shows superiority over Keynes’ model comes in ways to fix the economy. As shown above, the primary reason why The Great Recession occurred in 2008 was because of excessive lending and risk-taking largely influenced by low interest rates put in place by the Federal Reserve. The Keynesian cure to this model is to reduce interest rates to essentially zero, and to also place money into the economy via a policy known as “quantative easing.†This policy saw the Federal Reserve buy products from banks in order to place more money into the economy and to further depress interest rates. One cartoon equates the difference between the Austrian School and Keynesian models to forest fighting – the Austrian School lets the fire burn out naturally so the forest can return to grow again while Keynesian thinkers attempt to put the fire out before the forest is destroyed. However, an updated version of the cartoon shows Kenynesians fighting the fire by pouring gasoline on the blaze. That is an adequate description – lowering interest rates to solve a problem caused by lower interest rates makes no sense.
A final way the Austrian School shows superiority over Keynesian models is just based on fairness. The Austrian School is based upon individual choices – individuals decide what is best for them, and resources are allocated in response. Keynesian models rely on a government response. This may open a large can of worms due to government interference. The government essentially interferes in the economy via stimulus packages. What can stop the federal government from deciding an economic problem is best fixed by allocating resources of its own choosing? For instance, say the president believes too few people have refrigerators. Why do too few people have refrigerators? This is likely because there is not a demand for refrigerators, or the people without refrigerators are not likely to afford the product. Can the federal government on its whim just force a company to make a refrigerator to sell cheaper than what it does normally? Can the federal government use its justifications for intervening in an economic crisis to take a refrigerator from a family that may have two to give to someone that has zero? Why would people who could by a second refrigerator make such a purchase? Why would someone without the means to do so look to improve their financial condition as they can expect a refrigerator to just be handed to them? Using Keynes to “repair†a broken economy may open up the doors for the government to take too much control over private property and personal lives at a later date in time.
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You are correct, sir!
I'd classify that as fair. :-)
CMD
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I'd classify that as fair. :-)
That goes without saying . . . :whistling:
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2. Complete this sentence: The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is ___________.
The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is that it promotes collective thought at the expense of man's natural quest and desire for personal liberty, freedom and choice.
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The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is that it promotes collective thought at the expense of man's natural quest and desire for personal liberty, freedom and choice.
Congratulations. You've managed to pass high school history where the answers are printed at the back of the book and all you have to do is regurgitate the proscribed text. Care to explain your confession of being a life-long liberal @ Reddit? Personally, I think you're a waste of time. Go play somewhere else.
Oh dear lord have I thought about this moment.
I have been a strident leftist since birth. In high school, I even briefly identified as a communist in high school (yes, I was that guy). I participated in some of the Occupy movements. I sat back in anger during 2008 and only enjoyed a good laugh when reports came out that Hank Paulson got on his knees before Nancy Pelosi and the other Democrats begging for them to not walk away from the bailout. (I think she's repugnant and a millionaire but it was refreshing to hear about the former chairman of Goldman Sachs willingly genuflecting to the enemy.)
It has been super frustrating to always feel like you have been on the short end of the stick.
So what will I do on Election Night if this happens?
There is a high-end cigar and scotch bar where I live. I can only guess the type of patron that place usually caters to. I am going to buy the fattest, thickest cigar I can find. I am going to drop some money on a glass of Scotch (even though I don't drink).
And then I am going to find a banker or the like and blow smoke in his face while I'm cackling in delight.
If I lived in New York, I would stand outside the headquarters of Goldman Sachs and do the exact same thing, too.
I know this may sound cruel or ridiculous but it is 100% my dream.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/40noub/how_will_you_celebrate_a_sanders_victory/cyvmcu9
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The greatest moral failure of Democratic Socialism is that it promotes collective thought at the expense of man's natural quest and desire for personal liberty, freedom and choice.
Promote? More like, demands. Examples of the persecution of free thought, speech and action abound here and abroad. You should be seeing this at college.
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Congratulations. You've managed to pass high school history where the answers are printed at the back of the book and all you have to do is regurgitate the proscribed text. Care to explain your confession of being a life-long liberal @ Reddit? Personally, I think you're a waste of time. Go play somewhere else.
:whistling: :hi5: :whistling:
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Well, that went over like a wet turd in the middle of a dining room floor.
I'm dying to see it wriggle out of this one.
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Congratulations. You've managed to pass high school history where the answers are printed at the back of the book and all you have to do is regurgitate the proscribed text. Care to explain your confession of being a life-long liberal @ Reddit? Personally, I think you're a waste of time. Go play somewhere else.
I thought that from the get go but was willing to give him/her/it the benefit of the doubt. The longer this goes on, the more I think he/she/it is sitting behind a keyboard having a good laugh, at our expense.
You do NOT go from being a lifelong dedicated liberal/communist to conservative in the course of 2 days by posting at Conservative Cave.
I'm done with he/she/it too. Let it go play somewhere else.
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I thought that from the get go but was willing to give him/her/it the benefit of the doubt. The longer this goes on, the more I think he/she/it is sitting behind a keyboard having a good laugh, at our expense.
It may be having a laugh, but not at our expense. It doesn't cost us anything to be skeptics. :popcorn:
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Had some time before my weekend begins. You didn't say I had to answer all three at the same time, Prof! This is all based on just using Google and the like. I actually know Keynes and the basics from history classes. Hope I did well! I'll answer the other two by Monday. The first two paragraphs describes Austrian School and Keyensian school. Then I answer the question.
The Austrian School of Economics says that our society is a collection of individuals that make choices for themselves, according to The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics. Austrian School economists also believe that private ownership provides incentives to divide resources, which are inherently limited. Another explanation of the Austrian School, this one on Investopedia.com, says people create markets naturally. It gives an example that people, even those without experience in markets, left on a deserted island would eventually create a market mechanism. The Austrian School has been described as an early form of libertarianism, a philosophy that emphasizes limited government intervention into the lives of its citizens. The Austrian School also says prices act as a signal in the economic, natural interest rates and prices determine the amount of savings and production in an economy, and that savings and production drive economic growth and determine the strength of an economy. In short, the Austrian School says markets are essentially “hands off†and self-regulating, and government and other interventions into the market causes distortions like recessions and other economic hardships.
The Business Dictionary describes Keynesian economics as stating that economies are driven by the demand created by households, businesses and the government as opposed to that of the free market (as measured by Gross Domestic Product). Thus, one way to alter the downturn of the economy is to increase spending, particularly via the government. The most famous example of government intervention in the economy to spur economic success was via the New Deal, which saw a massive expansion of federal government programs intended to spur economic growth. Government intervention further came after our most recent recession, where President Obama introduced a stimulus package that saw government fund several projects intended to increase employment and spending.
Austrian economics has proven to be superior than Keynesian economics in several ways.
One way comes in the belief of what causes a recession. The Austrian School says recessions are part of a business cycle. The first step in the business cycle sees too much money enter an economy, either by the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates too low or banks lending too much money. An example of this comes from our most recent recession. Federal Reserve, known as the “bank of banks,†sets a “federal funds rate†used as a benchmark to set interest rates for banks to lend to businesses and individuals. Many critics have said this rate was set too low in the years before The Great Recession started in 2008, which inevitably distorted the market, leading to a recession. The movie “The Big Short†shows this. Large banks extended mortgages to many individuals not equipped to pay off their debts. Further problems were caused by government-required and sponsored policies that extended mortgages and other loans to entities unable to pay back their debts. This caused a nationwide rise in housing prices that inevitably caused a “bubble†that burst. Because of this bubble and the amount of outstanding loans, large banks required a taxpayer bailout in order not to collapse entirely. The easy access to money banks had (via a cheap interest rate) caused them to take too many risks, all because of a distorted market based off of intervention from both the Federal Reserve and government housing policies. This model has proven, at least in our most current economic collapse, true. Keynesian models suggest that recessions happen when savings outpace investment, which can lead to a glut of supply, which in turn reduces investment. However, Keynesian thinkers also subscribe a theory of “animal spirits†to a recessionary cause. In essence, this model says negative confidence can prevent investment and economic growth. This “animal spirits†theory is a vague response not based on any actual factual basis. When do people start believing the economy is bad? They essentially believe the economy is bad when jobs are lost – as in, the economy has already turned bad. It’s a weak theory, at best.
Another way the Austrian School of Economics shows superiority over Keynes’ model comes in ways to fix the economy. As shown above, the primary reason why The Great Recession occurred in 2008 was because of excessive lending and risk-taking largely influenced by low interest rates put in place by the Federal Reserve. The Keynesian cure to this model is to reduce interest rates to essentially zero, and to also place money into the economy via a policy known as “quantative easing.†This policy saw the Federal Reserve buy products from banks in order to place more money into the economy and to further depress interest rates. One cartoon equates the difference between the Austrian School and Keynesian models to forest fighting – the Austrian School lets the fire burn out naturally so the forest can return to grow again while Keynesian thinkers attempt to put the fire out before the forest is destroyed. However, an updated version of the cartoon shows Kenynesians fighting the fire by pouring gasoline on the blaze. That is an adequate description – lowering interest rates to solve a problem caused by lower interest rates makes no sense.
A final way the Austrian School shows superiority over Keynesian models is just based on fairness. The Austrian School is based upon individual choices – individuals decide what is best for them, and resources are allocated in response. Keynesian models rely on a government response. This may open a large can of worms due to government interference. The government essentially interferes in the economy via stimulus packages. What can stop the federal government from deciding an economic problem is best fixed by allocating resources of its own choosing? For instance, say the president believes too few people have refrigerators. Why do too few people have refrigerators? This is likely because there is not a demand for refrigerators, or the people without refrigerators are not likely to afford the product. Can the federal government on its whim just force a company to make a refrigerator to sell cheaper than what it does normally? Can the federal government use its justifications for intervening in an economic crisis to take a refrigerator from a family that may have two to give to someone that has zero? Why would people who could by a second refrigerator make such a purchase? Why would someone without the means to do so look to improve their financial condition as they can expect a refrigerator to just be handed to them? Using Keynes to “repair†a broken economy may open up the doors for the government to take too much control over private property and personal lives at a later date in time.
Well-written. There are one or two points I disagree with (e.g., that Austrian School economic theory is an early form of libertarianism; economics are only one component of libertarian philosophy, which predates the Austrian school by more than two centuries), but nothing which negates the thesis.
Given your understanding of examples in the last paragraph, which are exactly the sorts of solution Red Bernie promotes, how is it that you were an enthusiastic Sandernista just one week ago?
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I thought that from the get go but was willing to give him/her/it the benefit of the doubt. The longer this goes on, the more I think he/she/it is sitting behind a keyboard having a good laugh, at our expense.
You do NOT go from being a lifelong dedicated liberal/communist to conservative in the course of 2 days by posting at Conservative Cave.
I'm done with he/she/it too. Let it go play somewhere else.
Maybe he was riding an ass on the road to Damascus...
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Maybe he was riding an ass on the road to Damascus...
Hey--it worked for Saul; he became the Apostle Paul. :cheersmate:
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3. Read ths article: https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism
In three paragraphs or less, contrast Classical Liberalism to Democratic Socialism.
Then, in one paragraph, defend Classical Liberalism using your previous contrast against Democratic Socialism.
Classical Liberalism is a philosophy that advocates the free market and places an emphasis on the freedom of the individual by limiting the powers of the state. Classic liberalism does not believe in a lack of a state as rule of law is a major tenant of the philosophy. Classical liberalism also strongly advocates for personal property rights. However, classic liberalism does want a federal government to have a limited role in the life of its citizens and the economy. The word “liberal†has evolved (or been distorted, upon your point-of-view) into a description of a person’s ideology as running left-of-center. Classical liberalism has now become associated with people who subscribe to conservative political leanings. According to the linked article, the early years of America’s formation has been widely regarded as the model nation of classical liberalism. Some examples of classical liberalism in America stems from Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, along with the abolitionist movement.
Democratic socialism is a political system that believes in democratically elected officials combined with a socialist, or statist, economy. The most well-cited Democratic socialist countries are those in Scandinavia, known for providing many government benefits to its citizens such as free health care, education beyond high school and social welfare programs for those unable to find work. Democratic socialists argue that their system uses democracy as a means to create a system that benefits all of its residents as opposed to only a few. Democratic socialist countries charge their citizens with high taxes as a means to generate revenue needed to pay for government-issued programs. In many cases, these taxes are also used as a means to narrow wealth inequality amongst a population.
Classic liberalism provides for more freedom and chances to succeed than democratic socialism. A limited government allows for an individual to have more opportunities for mobility. A person who starts their own business, for example, will find an easier path to do so in a system with limited government. This system provides more fairness via risk and reward. Those willing to take risks to start businesses and create ideas can find themselves, if successful, rising in income in status. This ability and desire to “improve†a life spurs innovations and inventions. Under a democratic socialist system, there is little-to-know incentive to create a new product or new business or new service. In addition, government programs that provide services a population expect result in high and burdensome taxes. Also, in a free market system, customers may pick and choose who to shop from. People can pay for a specific higher education or different types of health care needs that meet their demands. This requires companies and institutions to continuously seek ways to improve. Under democratic socialism, those choices do not exist. And as there is no competition, there is no reason to change or improve. In addition, government entitlements are hard to remove, even if under a democracy. A government is not likely to move from a public health care system to a privately owned business as it eliminates a form of its power over a population. This system could also run amok and find itself quickly becoming undemocratic, as currently witness in Venezuela, which claims itself as a democracy but has seen the rights of its citizenry stripped away under its socialist government.
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I posted my response because I promised I would. But it's really scaring me that someone dug up something I wrote on Reddit. Do I have to change all my passwords and the like? I really don't like that at all.
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Classical Liberalism is a philosophy that advocates the free market and places an emphasis on the freedom of the individual by limiting the powers of the state. Classic liberalism does not believe in a lack of a state as rule of law is a major tenant of the philosophy. Classical liberalism also strongly advocates for personal property rights. However, classic liberalism does want a federal government to have a limited role in the life of its citizens and the economy. The word “liberal†has evolved (or been distorted, upon your point-of-view) into a description of a person’s ideology as running left-of-center. Classical liberalism has now become associated with people who subscribe to conservative political leanings. According to the linked article, the early years of America’s formation has been widely regarded as the model nation of classical liberalism. Some examples of classical liberalism in America stems from Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, along with the abolitionist movement.
Democratic socialism is a political system that believes in democratically elected officials combined with a socialist, or statist, economy. The most well-cited Democratic socialist countries are those in Scandinavia, known for providing many government benefits to its citizens such as free health care, education beyond high school and social welfare programs for those unable to find work. Democratic socialists argue that their system uses democracy as a means to create a system that benefits all of its residents as opposed to only a few. Democratic socialist countries charge their citizens with high taxes as a means to generate revenue needed to pay for government-issued programs. In many cases, these taxes are also used as a means to narrow wealth inequality amongst a population.
Classic liberalism provides for more freedom and chances to succeed than democratic socialism. A limited government allows for an individual to have more opportunities for mobility. A person who starts their own business, for example, will find an easier path to do so in a system with limited government. This system provides more fairness via risk and reward. Those willing to take risks to start businesses and create ideas can find themselves, if successful, rising in income in status. This ability and desire to “improve†a life spurs innovations and inventions. Under a democratic socialist system, there is little-to-know incentive to create a new product or new business or new service. In addition, government programs that provide services a population expect result in high and burdensome taxes. Also, in a free market system, customers may pick and choose who to shop from. People can pay for a specific higher education or different types of health care needs that meet their demands. This requires companies and institutions to continuously seek ways to improve. Under democratic socialism, those choices do not exist. And as there is no competition, there is no reason to change or improve. In addition, government entitlements are hard to remove, even if under a democracy. A government is not likely to move from a public health care system to a privately owned business as it eliminates a form of its power over a population. This system could also run amok and find itself quickly becoming undemocratic, as currently witness in Venezuela, which claims itself as a democracy but has seen the rights of its citizenry stripped away under its socialist government.
Well done.
Now, Jason, why are you playing games here?
This would be a good time to come clean and take your lumps, or leave.
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Well done.
Now, Jason, why are you playing games here?
This would be a good time to come clean and take your lumps, or leave.
This.
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I posted my response because I promised I would. But it's really scaring me that someone dug up something I wrote on Reddit. Do I have to change all my passwords and the like? I really don't like that at all.
Well pal it is like this:
The internet is open for all the world to see. Don't want something to come back and bite you on the ass? Don't post it on the internet.
Just a little reminder here... you are interacting with grown adults of all professions here... aged anywhere from 20+ to 70+ years old. Some of those professions include Information Technology, Engineering and the like. Some of use have been in their chosen profession longer than you have been alive. Many have advanced degrees. Chances are those in IT were working in IT long before the current version of the internet was around and have actually set up the networks it depends on.
In other words... we are not the knuckle dragging, uneducated neanderthals the MSM and your professors would like you to believe. So if you are blowing smoke up our ass you will be, and looks like you already have been, found out.
I seriously doubt anyone here would hack your passwords. We have better things to do than something that childish.
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I posted my response because I promised I would. But it's really scaring me that someone dug up something I wrote on Reddit. Do I have to change all my passwords and the like? I really don't like that at all.
Nothing to be scared of. People here do due diligence, research things and are very, very good at it. People here also don't like getting their chains yanked, but we do have fairly well-calibrated bullshit detectors.
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Now, Jason, why are you playing games here?
This would be a good time to come clean and take your lumps, or leave.
Yes. You have been treated here, with the utmost (yet skeptical) respect. Had the situation been reversed, you would have gotten run off at the onset; in the most vile fashion imaginable, like (D)U, and you know it.
I think we deserve an explanation.
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Yes. You have been treated here, with the utmost (yet skeptical) respect. Had the situation been reversed, you would have gotten run off at the onset; in the most vile fashion imaginable, like (D)U, and you know it.
I think we deserve an explanation.
Yep. Something tells me we might have seen the last of him. :lmao:
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I posted my response because I promised I would. But it's really scaring me that someone dug up something I wrote on Reddit. Do I have to change all my passwords and the like? I really don't like that at all.
Relax, pinhead.
You're not the only person here with more than one account.
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I posted my response because I promised I would. But it's really scaring me that someone dug up something I wrote on Reddit. Do I have to change all my passwords and the like? I really don't like that at all.
Welcome to an environment where your fellow posters know the medium and how it works. Rather thoroughly, I might add.
CMD
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Maybe we invaded his Safe Spaceâ„¢.
Man up, and come on back, fuzzlenuts.
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Maybe we invaded his Safe Spaceâ„¢.
Man up, and come on back, fuzzlenuts.
fuzzlenuts? :lmao:
Can't say I ever heard that one before!!! H5 for making me spit out my beer!
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Perhaps he is saddled with the gravity of the Hildabeast's crushing defeat of Bernie Claus in SC tonight.
Maybe if he had taken some of his own advice and did some canvasing for Bernie Claus, he wouldn't be staring at defeat. But, no. He decided to spend his time hunched over a cheap computer making a fool of himself while living under the delusion that he was trolling a political forum of "bumpkins".
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Perhaps he is saddled with the gravity of the Hildabeast's crushing defeat of Bernie Claus in SC tonight.
Maybe if he had taken some of his own advice and did some canvasing for Bernie Claus, he wouldn't be staring at defeat. But, no. He decided to spend his time hunched over a cheap computer making a fool of himself while living under the delusion that he was trolling a political forum of "bumpkins".
Hillary will take Michigan. The unions and their shrinking membership won't be enough to carry Bernie to the finish line.
Then we will all be ****ed.
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Why not ask the questions you want to ask about conservatives and form an opinion on your terms? Now's your chance. You are an ambassador from the left, if you hold yourself to a decently high standard I'm sure you'll be treated we ll here.
I actually don't know how you got linked through reddit, people here are obviously very saavy with the internet. So because I'm a new here, maybe you checked me out as well, nothing wrong with that, but, I just want to say, they look just like girls.......and they're just so cute some of them........... so.............
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Why not ask the questions you want to ask about conservatives and form an opinion on your terms? Now's your chance. You are an ambassador from the left, if you hold yourself to a decently high standard I'm sure you'll be treated we ll here.
I actually don't know how you got linked through reddit, people here are obviously very saavy with the internet. So because I'm a new here, maybe you checked me out as well, nothing wrong with that, but, I just want to say, they look just like girls.......and they're just so cute some of them........... so.............
It seems the whole point of his exercise was an attempt to manipulate some of those silly, dumb, and gullible conservatives. We can only speculate at what his end game was, because he was quickly derailed in his attempt.
After seeing some of the stuff that's out there on the interwebnets about this guy, I think I can see why he decided to cut his losses and look for an easier target.
Also,
Does this guy qualify as a reverse-walldude?
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It seems the whole point of his exercise was an attempt to manipulate some of those silly, dumb, and gullible conservatives. We can only speculate at what his end game was, because he was quickly derailed in his attempt.
After seeing some of the stuff that's out there on the interwebnets about this guy, I think I can see why he decided to cut his losses and look for an easier target.
Also,
Does this guy qualify as a reverse-walldude?
I don't have the slightest clue how someone can use a screen name on an anonymous message board, yet have so much found out about them, including name.
Makes no sense to me, but then again, it's why I pay you handsomely to do what you do.
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I don't have the slightest clue how someone can use a screen name on an anonymous message board, yet have so much found out about them, including name.
Makes no sense to me, but then again, it's why I pay you handsomely to do what you do.
There are other dark and mysterious shadows that lurk here at CC that took care of this one. :-)
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There are other dark and mysterious shadows that lurk here at CC that took care of this one. :-)
I think we have seriously seen the end of that one.
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(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/stickjock/CurlyBillWellBye_zpsaa543fcc.jpg)
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Call me skeptical but this has all the earmarks of an anti-bouncy.