Woman beheaded in Oklahoma

[SVPete]

I personally have no problem with muslims... as long as they leave me and the country alone. Unfortunately they do not denounce this type of behavior and unfortunately they will eventually not leave me alone.

You have read about ISIS and their exploits? That is just the most recent muzzie atrocity. Coming to a town in the US near you soon!!!  Glad you still have your head on top of your shoulders. Go to ISIS controlled territory, say you are a Christian and see if it stays there. Religion of peace my ass!   If the so called moderate muslims would stand up en masse and denounce that kind of behavior, and quit funding it, then I might agree with you.  Until I see that, your argument holds no water.

I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts.

[Chris_]

SECOND OKLAHOMA MUSLIM Threatens to Behead Coworker – Says He Represents ISIS

Jacob Mugambi Muriithi, a Muslim from Kenya, was arrested after he threatened to behead a coworker at the Bellevue Nursing Home. Muriithi told the coworker he “represented ISIS and that ISIS kills Christians.”

Gateway Pundit

******* animals.

[SVPete]

Hey, cool! I've been "Bitch-Whiffed" a couple of times in the past day or two! I was starting worry that I was boring the snot out of folks here!

[obumazombie]

^Have another.

[BlueStateSaint]

Gateway Pundit

******* animals.

Here's a version from The Blaze:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/28/another-oklahoma-man-reportedly-a-muslim-arrested-after-he-allegedly-threatened-to-cut-off-coworkers-head-this-is-just-what-we-do/

The woman said she asked him why they kill Christians and he replied, “This is just what we do,” the detective reported.

Plus, Pete, if there are 'moderate' Muslims, we should be hearing them condemn these beheadings.  The only thing we're hearing from Muslims in the US just happen to be the crickets that are near them at any given time.  If you have proof of it being different, post a link.  You may know individual Muslims that are horrified at this, but until they band together and say "Enough!  We have to change!" and deal with the consequences, they're drowned out by insects.

[SVPete]

Plus, Pete, if there are 'moderate' Muslims, we should be hearing them condemn these beheadings.  The only thing we're hearing from Muslims in the US just happen to be the crickets that are near them at any given time.  If you have proof of it being different, post a link.  You may know individual Muslims that are horrified at this, but until they band together and say "Enough!  We have to change!" and deal with the consequences, they're drowned out by insects.

Your first sentence is a point I've posted elsewhere for years, minus the word, "if". You contradict your suggestion that such Muslims don't really exist - you know, what that word "if" in your fist sentence means - in the second and fourth sentence of this paragraph.

You challenge me to, "If you have proof of it being different, post a link." I'll do better than "a link. DuckDuckGo search on the phrase "muslims condemning violence by muslims". If your "challenge" was more than a rhetorical challenge you thought I could not meet, you'll find a good number of links to instances of Muslims condemning violence by Muslims. Heh! Not only did I meet your challenge, but I met the predictable retort of, "Well that's only one (or only two, or only ...)."

Since with one side of your keyboard you try to suggest that peaceful Muslims do not exist, explain why I've worked around Muslims for over 10 years that I know of, yet my head is still on my shoulders. Explain why there is an Islamic Center within 5 miles of my home (its address is 400 Budd Avenue, Campbell, CA; you can see it using Google Earth if you're terminally curious), but there hasn't even been one terror bombing or suicide bombing these past 10+ years. Not to mention many more Islamic Centers here in Silicon Valley. I meet Muslims in grocery stores, department stores, the gym, hiking trails, and more places than I care to recall, but no bomb wreckage or hacked-off heads ... why is that?

I met and exceeded your "challenge", , now you can try mine.

Oh, and lest I forget, thanks for the Whiff-Slap.

[wasp69]

Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.

Since with one side of your keyboard you try to suggest that peaceful Muslims do not exist, explain why I've worked around Muslims for over 10 years that I know of, yet my head is still on my shoulders. Explain why there is an Islamic Center within 5 miles of my home (its address is 400 Budd Avenue, Campbell, CA; you can see it using Google Earth if you're terminally curious), but there hasn't even been one terror bombing or suicide bombing these past 10+ years. Not to mention many more Islamic Centers here in Silicon Valley. I meet Muslims in grocery stores, department stores, the gym, hiking trails, and more places than I care to recall, but no bomb wreckage or hacked-off heads ... why is that?

Let me help you with this:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

Wake up, Pete.  You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)... 

Are you getting it?  Is this sinking in?  Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant.  Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak.  Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews.  Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley?  They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart.  Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.

Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.

[vesta111]

Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.

Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

Wake up, Pete.  You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)... 

Are you getting it?  Is this sinking in?  Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant.  Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak.  Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews.  Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley?  They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart.  Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.

Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.

Give it time Wasps , sort of a hide and watch thing.

  Isis with millions of dollars behind them start off with a BANG, Off With a few heads to scare the rest of the world with their so called  ancient war fare had some how come to scare the pants off the rest of the world.

Lots of threats to country's by Isis why not threaten them back ?     

[J P Sousa]

  Department of Justice Set to Ban Profiling by Federal Law Enforcement: Report 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/26/department-of-justice-set-to-ban-profiling-by-federal-law-enforcement-report/ 


The Justice Department is expected in the coming weeks to ban federal law enforcement officers from profiling, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday night.

According to the Times, the new policy will bar federal authorities from using an individual’s ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation to target people for suspicion of a crime.

The new policy will include an exemption for federal officers working on national security investigations, the Times reported, noting that congressional sources said officials concerned about terrorism lobbied hard for the exemption.

I guess Obama and his good buddy holder are afraid their Muslim friends will get caught.

Many Muslims are terrorists but we can't suspect Muslims might be terrorists. 


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[Eupher]

Wasp69 nails it, of course. (h5)

I spent a considerable amount of time in what used to be called "West Berlin." One district in that particular part of Berlin is named Kreuzberg. This is a worker's district primarily, with a fair amount of old construction inhabited by many tens of thousands of Turkish workers who were "invited" by the West German government to c'mon over and be part of the economic "wonder" that was happening to Germany in the late 1940s and 1950s.

They arrived, set up shop, and started influencing their neighborhoods.

As it stands right now, there are about 10% of the city that are Middle Eastern. You can roughly extrapolate and assume that most of these are Muzzies. In some districts like Neuköln, the percentage is 80%.

The result? Predictable, per wasp69's observations and quote:

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/08/11/no-go-zones-in-berlin-are-noted/

[J P Sousa]

Wasp69 nails it, of course. (h5)

I spent a considerable amount of time in what used to be called "West Berlin." One district in that particular part of Berlin is named Kreuzberg. This is a worker's district primarily, with a fair amount of old construction inhabited by many tens of thousands of Turkish workers who were "invited" by the West German government to c'mon over and be part of the economic "wonder" that was happening to Germany in the late 1940s and 1950s.

They arrived, set up shop, and started influencing their neighborhoods.

As it stands right now, there are about 10% of the city that are Middle Eastern. You can roughly extrapolate and assume that most of these are Muzzies. In some districts like Neuköln, the percentage is 80%.

The result? Predictable, per wasp69's observations and quote:

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/2010/08/11/no-go-zones-in-berlin-are-noted/

A sobering article.

Especially;

  One thing that should be learned from Islamic sociology is that the larger the percentage of Muslims in a non-Islamic society, the worse the level of Islo-anarchy.
 

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[BlueStateSaint]

Wasp nailed it, Pete.  I think that what we'd all say is that one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.

Try again.

Oh--I think that Bill Maher and I have something in common . . .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdGK3F4pC0[/youtube]

[SVPete]

Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.

Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

Wake up, Pete.  You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)... 

Are you getting it?  Is this sinking in?  Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant.  Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak.  Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews.  Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley?  They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart.  Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.

Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.

Wow! An impressive response to something I didn't and wouldn't say. Like I posted above to I_B_P, "I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts."

You, I_B_P, BSS and maybe a couple others imagine you have me figured out. In reality you almost as far wrong as it is possible to be.

[SVPete]

Wasp nailed it, Pete.  I think that what we'd all say is that one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.

Try again.

Wasp nailed his own - and your - imaginings, if you think he responded to the meaning of anything I actually have said.

Nice attempt to dismiss my challenge, but it doesn't work. I can understand why you would dismiss rather than attempt to answer my questions.

Let me give you a brief geography lesson. I live in Silicon Valley. The extent of that is not exactly precisely defined, but if you take the area to be from San Jose in the south, to Palo Alto in the north, to Los Gatos in the west, to Milpitas in the east - I assume you can see what I mean using MapQuest or Google Maps, if care to - the population of Silicon Valley is on the order of 1.5 million people. So what you try to dismiss as "one person's experience" is in reality the daily experience of many hundreds of thousands in Silicon Valley alone. And many more 10s of millions in CA and other states have the same experience. The murderers like that character in OKC (and the Kenyan in OKC who threatened a co-worker) or that character apprehended recently in NY or NJ after killing several people are real, are a danger (and are almost certainly not the only Muslims who will commit murder), and grab headlines.

But reality is that they are a tiny minority among Muslims in the US. That is the answer to my questions that you evaded, seemingly out of need to avoid.

[BlueStateSaint]

Pete, if they're such a tiny minority (and they are, IMO, for the time being, as Wasp pointed out in his link), why is the number of their attacks growing by what seems to be leaps and bounds?  Maybe because their population within the US is getting to the points--'decision points,' for lack of a better term--that they can (and, by their past performances in other countries, again referencing Wasp's chart) do said acts with impunity.  There was some ridiculous number that I heard on Rush's show today, that since 2000 (IIRC), the Muslim population of the US has increased by over 2 million.

You still have your head because the population of Muslims isn't at the level in the USA that they begin 'ethnic cleansing' at--yet.  If it continues at this rate, the USA is going to be a heluva mess, with the Left, the gay lobby, and the Islamist Muslims (which are continuing to build numbers daily--remember, there's over a billion Muslims in the world from which to glean their 10%-15% from) are going to fight it out.  My guess is that the Islamist Muslims will win in that struggle.

The remedy for all of this?  It's all summed up here: 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Again, and this seemed to enter one of your ears, make a circuit of the inside of your head, and go out the other ear faster than what it entered, I said this:

one person's experience is not indicative of the whole.

You're trying to cover the entirety of Muslims in the USA with your experiences.  That doesn't fly.  You know that.

[wasp69]

Wow! An impressive response to something I didn't and wouldn't say. Like I posted above to I_B_P, "I see you have no clue about what my "argument" is or about me. The latter I can understand, since I didn't post much here between 2010 and this spring, but as for my "argument", try reading what I posted instead of reading your stereotypes into my posts."

You, I_B_P, BSS and maybe a couple others imagine you have me figured out. In reality you almost as far wrong as it is possible to be.

Then you have my deepest apologies for wasting both of our time.

[SVPete]

Wake up, Pete.  You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)...

If you actually understood anything about Islam, and either understood or thought through what you "know" of Christianity and Martin Luther, you would realize what a horrible non-analogy that is! In case you missed my posts about this a couple of thread pages ago, I have read the Qur'an - it's an insomnia cure, but I did so trying to understand it. I wanted to understand, to some degree, the people who would fly airplanes into skyscrapers full of innocent people and who want to hack my head off. Further, I am an Evangelical Christian who was raised in the Lutheran church. So I have some familiarity with the subjects of this inapt analogy. Let me try to be brief and clear:

* The Bible is the foundational document of Christianity; Christians for centuries have understood it to be God's inspired Word in its original autographs;

* Martin Luther's intent was to return Christians to the Bible as authoritative over traditions and to the teachings of the Bible;

* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;

* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.

IOW: Luther wanted Christians to be true to their faith, as it is defined in the Bible; the "radical" Muslims are the ones who want Muslims to be true to their faith. I'll go a step farther than you. I do not think Islam is reformable, in the sense becoming peaceful at its core. The reason I think this is that I've read the Qur'an (in English), and it defines Islam as, at heart, a raiders' and a forced-conversion-or-death religion. If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti read and understand my previous posts!

Are you getting it?  Is this sinking in?

 

I read the Qur'an in 2002. I've been around and hosted in my Christian missionaries to Muslim countries at least since the 1980s and 1990s. My "getting it" and "sinking in" happened decades ago.

Like I said above, you all imagined you had me figured out and read your imaginings into my posts. And your imaginings are almost diametrically wrong. Try reading my posts instead of your imaginations! 

[wasp69]

You're trying to cover the entirety of Muslims in the USA with your experiences.  That doesn't fly.  You know that.

Don't waste your breath, BSS.  If the words of those who have been there and done that don't make a dent, there's nothing that will burn through that level of arrogance. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Don't waste your breath, BSS.  If the words of those who have been there and done that don't make a dent, there's nothing that will burn through that level of arrogance.

Yeah--a few of our other members--RayRayTheSBS comes to mind, for one--use the phrase 'weapons-grade stupidity.'

But, there is something that will cut through that level of arrogance.  Let's hope it ain't Pete that's the one who finds that out first-hand.

[wasp69]

If you actually understood anything about Islam, and either understood or thought through what you "know" of Christianity and Martin Luther, you would realize what a horrible non-analogy that is! In case you missed my posts about this a couple of thread pages ago, I have read the Qur'an - it's an insomnia cure, but I did so trying to understand it. I wanted to understand, to some degree, the people who would fly airplanes into skyscrapers full of innocent people and who want to hack my head off. Further, I am an Evangelical Christian who was raised in the Lutheran church. So I have some familiarity with the subjects of this inapt analogy. Let me try to be brief and clear:

* The Bible is the foundational document of Christianity; Christians for centuries have understood it to be God's inspired Word in its original autographs;

* Martin Luther's intent was to return Christians to the Bible as authoritative over traditions and to the teachings of the Bible;

* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;

* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.

IOW: Luther wanted Christians to be true to their faith, as it is defined in the Bible; the "radical" Muslims are the ones who want Muslims to be true to their faith. I'll go a step farther than you. I do not think Islam is reformable, in the sense becoming peaceful at its core. The reason I think this is that I've read the Qur'an (in English), and it defines Islam as, at heart, a raiders' and a forced-conversion-or-death religion. If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti read and understand my previous posts!

 

I read the Qur'an in 2002. I've been around and hosted in my Christian missionaries to Muslim countries at least since the 1980s and 1990s. My "getting it" and "sinking in" happened decades ago.

Like I said above, you all imagined you had me figured out and read your imaginings into my posts. And your imaginings are almost diametrically wrong. Try reading my posts instead of your imaginations! 

You've already gotten my sincere apology, Pete.  Ignore this poor, ignorant soul and enjoy your muslim multi-culti.

[docstew]

* The Qur'an is the foundational document of Islam; Muslims regard it, in the Arabic, to be the literal words of Allah;

* If you have read the Qur'an or significant portions of it, you would know that it is the "radical" Muslims - the head-hackers - who are trying to turn Muslims back to being faithful to the teachings of the Qur'an.

Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.

It is telling that the other translation for the word "Islam" is surrender. That is what Muslim conquerors used to offer to a city: Islam or death. If you wanted to live, you chose Islam.

[SVPete]

Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.

It is telling that the other translation for the word "Islam" is surrender. That is what Muslim conquerors used to offer to a city: Islam or death. If you wanted to live, you chose Islam.

This "response" was so predictable that the very post you quoted had this statement:

If anyone thinks I just contradicted myself, it is because they haven't bothered ti (sic) read and understand my previous posts!

Try reading before responding! Try understanding instead of Olympic-level conclusion-jumping! You all are (or should be) too smart to be posting such a field-full of strawmen!

[SVPete]

Right here you prove your own point false. "True Muslims" are NOT peaceful, by your own words, because they ARE following the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith.

Here's a challenge for you to ignore or dismiss: link and quote where I said that all Muslims were completely faithful to the Qur'an. Or where I (rather than you) posted the Muslim equivalent of the, "No true Scotsman," fallacy.

As an aside, do you realize that your phrase, "... the teachings of the Quran and the Sura and Hadith," illustrates your lack of understanding of Islam? A "Sura" or "Surah" is a chapter of the Qur'an, not a separate book (as are the Hadith). A tiny thing, but so elementary that it says much.

[Dori]

My first hand experience with Muslims isn't very good, and I've had several.  I can only think of two in a positive light.

[txradioguy]

Pete, if the only perspective you have with these savages is working around them and "hey, there's a mosque right by my house and nothing's happened", then your position is a dangerously naive one - especially considering all of the evidence that smacks us in the face about the cult of mohammed every single day.

Let me help you with this:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

Wake up, Pete.  You are talking about a religious group that has not found their Martin Luther, who get more extreme in violence and bloodlust to prove they're more pious than the other groups, who have as part of their "faith" a complete blessing to lie to your face because you are a non believer, who's "moderates" are considered by the "pious" to be in a state of apostasy for not following the faith correctly (and they'll kill them just to prove that point)... 

Are you getting it?  Is this sinking in?  Islam is a far greater threat than communism or National Socialist fascism, Pete, simply because it has many more followers and is more easily absorbed in the vacuum of a society that has decided Jesus is no longer relevant.  Islam is the faith of victimhood which is why it is so popular in the black communities and in prisons - they're feeding the class and race warefare that the liberals have beaten into the heads of the weak.  Islam promises them revenge and blood for the transgressions of the White Christians and Jews.  Those peaceful muslims you see all over Silicon Valley?  They don't give a shit about you, infidel, and they will smile at your face while they hate you in their heart.  Believe me when I tell you this as someone who has seen islam with the mask removed.

Clutch those vipers to your breast if you wish, but don't expect those who know better to join you.

QFT