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Offline vesta111

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As we are told and much is really now and before trying to sort all this out.

Interesting that God would sit down and have a conversation with his out cast that lead to a bet between the two over who would give their faith to who and use a poor human as The most powerful one.
   
Our God just sat back and allowed Satan to inflicting  on a human all these horrid things, kill his family, inflict boils and disease on the man and both sit back to watch what this man was to do.

How do we know today that our God is not back at the poker table  with Allah cashing in their chips and playing for those who rule the earth ?????

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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2014, 07:48:55 AM »
As we are told and much is really now and before trying to sort all this out.

What are you trying to say, nadin vesta?

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Interesting that God would sit down and have a conversation with his out cast that lead to a bet between the two over who would give their faith to who and use a poor human as The most powerful one.
   
Our God just sat back and allowed Satan to inflicting  on a human all these horrid things, kill his family, inflict boils and disease on the man and both sit back to watch what this man was to do.


I am not going to poke any holes in your faith, vesta. The answer is plain and simple, but you must figure it out for yourself.

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How do we know today that our God is not back at the poker table  with Allah cashing in their chips and playing for those who rule the earth ?????

Could be. Or maybe your God is playing Russian roulette with Kali, Goddess of Death. Winner takes all.
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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 07:52:39 AM »
Perhaps God is using the radical Muslims in a way similar to how his used the Babylonians or the Assyrians?
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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 12:39:57 PM »
If you're looking for an idea of what the world would be like if every moral failing, calamity and tragedy were held at bay by divine Providence you need look no further than the Garden of Eden.

Man's problem isn't his circumstances, it's himself.

That's the point of the story of Eden and of Job and the other 64 books.
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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2014, 02:05:52 PM »
Let me help you. Matthew 24 and 25

Mat 24:3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8  All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:40  Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41  Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43  But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Mat 24:45  Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Mat 24:46  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Mat 24:47  Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Mat 24:48  But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Mat 24:49  And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Mat 24:50  The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51  And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:1  Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6  And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8  And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9  But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13  Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Mat 25:14  For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Mat 25:15  And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Mat 25:16  Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
Mat 25:17  And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
Mat 25:18  But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
Mat 25:19  After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
Mat 25:20  And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mat 25:21  His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:22  He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mat 25:23  His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:24  Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mat 25:25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
Mat 25:26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Mat 25:28  Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29  For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30  And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 25:31  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Are you ready to meet the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Do you know Him? Are you looking for Him, or are you lost?

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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2014, 05:23:00 PM »
As we are told and much is really now and before trying to sort all this out.

Interesting that God would sit down and have a conversation with his out cast that lead to a bet between the two over who would give their faith to who and use a poor human as The most powerful one.
   
Our God just sat back and allowed Satan to inflicting  on a human all these horrid things, kill his family, inflict boils and disease on the man and both sit back to watch what this man was to do.

How do we know today that our God is not back at the poker table  with Allah cashing in their chips and playing for those who rule the earth ?????

First of all there is no war between God and Satan. A war would imply that God stands a chance of losing. If God could lose then He wouldn't be God. God knows the outcome of all events because  He is God and all events serve God's plan for the restoration of humanity. Because bad things happen doesn't mean there isn't  good to come out of it even if we can't see it. Take the story of Joesph. Beaten by his brothers, sold into to slavery, imprisoned for a crime he didn't commit and in the end God used all this tragedy to save the children of Israel from famine.

Does God cause evil to happen? No, but he does allow evil events occur when a greater good will be brought forth. The Bible teaches us that all things serve God and that includes the enemies of God and the unbelievers. Groups like the American Humanist Association and the Freedom From Religion Foundation are only forwarding God's plan by doing what they are doing. Even Westbro Baptist Church is moving God's plan forward, just not in the way they think they are.

In reply to the title of this thread, it is said that God and Satan are playing a game of chess but to paraphrase a book I read, God is really playing solitaire with a deck He stacked.
"My enemy's enemy is the enemy I kill last."
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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2014, 05:57:20 PM »
Does God cause evil to happen? No, but he does allow evil events occur when a greater good will be brought forth. The Bible teaches us that all things serve God and that includes the enemies of God and the unbelievers.

I have always phrased it as God wills that free will happen. The rest is up to us.
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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2014, 07:45:51 PM »
I quoted those two chapters to show that everything is planned. It's just whether or not people are prepared.

Job stumbled after hearing his friends. Remember God rebuked Job, but he was ultimately rewarded afterwards. 

1Corinthians 10:13  "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Can you face the temptation or are you going to bite the fruit?

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Re: There was a great war in the universe betweem God and his most beloved .
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 03:06:46 PM »
I have always phrased it as God wills that free will happen. The rest is up to us.
Bingo. Free will means men have a choice. There are always those who will choose evil, no mater what the consequences are. Can't blame God for that.

Free will with it's dangers is far better than being an obedient robot.