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A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« on: August 29, 2013, 01:22:34 PM »
by Michael David Rawlings

There is frequently more to be learned from the unexpected questions of a child than the discourses of men.  —John Locke

For those of you who believe in nothing and, therefore, are easily deceived by almost anything, atheistic scientists like Lawrence Krauss, who intentionally muddle ontological distinctions merely to get a rise out of the philosophers and theologians they detest, do a disservice to science. Whether in jest or not, it's irresponsible. They dishonor their profession and treat us all with contempt when they imply that the problem of existence is strictly a scientific matter. As a group, atheists, whether they be accomplished scientists or not, are notoriously bad thinkers outside the comfort zone of their presumptuous metaphysics and are theologically illiterate bumpkins to boot. Karl W. Giberson, an evolutionary theist, is something else altogether . . . or is he?

I agree with Krauss that religious creation stories don't explain, at least from a scientific perspective, why there is something rather than nothing. The claim that "God created the quantum vacuum and its ordering principles" simply replaces a scientific mystery with a theological one: Where did God come from? —"Can science explain the final mystery of creation?"

http://michaeldavidrawlings1.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-mountain-of-nothin-out-of-somethin-or.html
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 01:45:22 PM »
I read your article and this was the only relevant question I found.

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Why does the idea of God get smaller in the minds of some as the cosmos gets more spectacularly weird in our understanding? .

As an agnostic the idea of god never gets smaller. Also, I would submit that the cosmos is not in the process of getting "more spectacularly weird". After all the God particle has supposedly been found.
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 04:45:30 PM »
What is a "Classical Liberal" (the condensed version) anyway ?
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 08:07:53 PM »
What is a "Classical Liberal" (the condensed version) anyway ?

Locke, Paine, Jefferson, Madison, Mason, de Tocqueville, Hayek. Champions of individual liberty and responsibility.

To a man, feared and hated by modern leftists (and more than a few on the authoritarian Right.)
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 09:04:42 PM »
God didn't come from anywhere. He is always. Many have trouble grasping this concept.

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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 10:03:26 PM »
God didn't come from anywhere. He is always. Many have trouble grasping this concept.

Finitum non capax infiniti
No mortal can fully appreciate the concept of time not beginning. That's where faith has to come into play. The same applies to an entity who has no beginning or end.
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2013, 08:38:41 AM »
What is a "Classical Liberal" (the condensed version) anyway ?

What Big Dog said, though I have a bit of a problem with Paine given his attitude toward the foundational doctrine of Christianity.
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2013, 08:44:39 AM »
I read your article and this was the only relevant question I found.

As an agnostic the idea of god never gets smaller. Also, I would submit that the cosmos is not in the process of getting "more spectacularly weird". After all the God particle has supposedly been found.

If you say so, but it seems to me that with every question answered a host of others arise.   :???:
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 12:12:00 PM »
God didn't come from anywhere. He is always. Many have trouble grasping this concept.

Finitum non capax infiniti

Indeed.
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 08:17:21 AM »
by Michael David Rawlings replaces a scientific mystery with a theological one: Where did God come from?


Eternal: e·ter·nal  [ih-tur-nl] 
adjective
1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing (opposed to temporal )


God is eternal, no beginning, no ending.  God created everything, including time.  Why is it that people who are "so smart" just can't grasp the simple fact that eternal is eternal.   :???:
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2013, 10:34:24 AM »

Eternal: e·ter·nal  [ih-tur-nl] 
adjective
1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing (opposed to temporal )


God is eternal, no beginning, no ending.  God created everything, including time.  Why is it that people who are "so smart" just can't grasp the simple fact that eternal is eternal.   :???:

If God came from somewhere he wouldn't be God now, would he ? Why would someone even pose the question "Where did God come from?"
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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2013, 04:39:09 PM »
by Michael David Rawlings

There is frequently more to be learned from the unexpected questions of a child than the discourses of men.  —John Locke

For those of you who believe in nothing and, therefore, are easily deceived by almost anything, atheistic scientists like Lawrence Krauss, who intentionally muddle ontological distinctions merely to get a rise out of the philosophers and theologians they detest, do a disservice to science. Whether in jest or not, it's irresponsible. They dishonor their profession and treat us all with contempt when they imply that the problem of existence is strictly a scientific matter. As a group, atheists, whether they be accomplished scientists or not, are notoriously bad thinkers outside the comfort zone of their presumptuous metaphysics and are theologically illiterate bumpkins to boot. Karl W. Giberson, an evolutionary theist, is something else altogether . . . or is he?

I agree with Krauss that religious creation stories don't explain, at least from a scientific perspective, why there is something rather than nothing. The claim that "God created the quantum vacuum and its ordering principles" simply replaces a scientific mystery with a theological one: Where did God come from? —"Can science explain the final mystery of creation?"

http://michaeldavidrawlings1.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-mountain-of-nothin-out-of-somethin-or.html

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Re: A Mountain of Nothin' out of Somethin' or Another
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2013, 06:29:12 PM »
If God came from somewhere he wouldn't be God now, would he ? Why would someone even pose the question "Where did God come from?"

Precisely.
Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains on their own appetites. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there is without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.  —Edmund Burke