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Russia lost twenty million people fighting Hitler.
In parts of that country, one in three buildings was totally destroyed.

And hos many more did Comunism...or Stalin for that matter kill?

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The last thing Russia needed at the end of WWII was a multi-generational arms race with a continental superpower whose homeland infrastructure and civilian population were virtually untouched.

And yet they started it.  Partition of Berlin ring a bell?  Berlin airlift jog your memory? 

YOu're just pissed because the U.S. finished it and in turn broke the Iron grip of the USSR on most of Europe.
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Do you have a link for your belief that "Russia...instigated the whole thing to begin with."

Russia lost twenty million people fighting Hitler.
In parts of that country, one in three buildings was totally destroyed.

The last thing Russia needed at the end of WWII was a multi-generational arms race with a continental superpower whose homeland infrastructure and civilian population were virtually untouched.

you'll have to do some Googling

EXCLUSIVE: New book reveals how KGB operation seeded Muslim countries with anti-American, anti-Jewish propaganda during the 1970s, laying the groundwork for Islamist terrorism against U.S. and Israel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348191/EXCLUSIVE-KGB-operation-seeded-Muslim-countries-anti-American-anti-Jewish-propaganda-1970s-laying-groundwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html#ixzz2Z3OCmzry


Isabella Ginor, "The Cold War's Longest Cover-up: How and Why the USSR Instigated the 1967 War," MERIA, Vol. 7, No. 3 (September 2003), http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2003/issue3/jv7n3a3.html.

http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_01_04-2009_01_10.shtml#1231474494

Terrorism and the Soviet Union

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you'll have to do some Googling

EXCLUSIVE: New book reveals how KGB operation seeded Muslim countries with anti-American, anti-Jewish propaganda during the 1970s, laying the groundwork for Islamist terrorism against U.S. and Israel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348191/EXCLUSIVE-KGB-operation-seeded-Muslim-countries-anti-American-anti-Jewish-propaganda-1970s-laying-groundwork-Islamist-terrorism-U-S-Israeli-targets.html#ixzz2Z3OCmzry


Isabella Ginor, "The Cold War's Longest Cover-up: How and Why the USSR Instigated the 1967 War," MERIA, Vol. 7, No. 3 (September 2003), http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2003/issue3/jv7n3a3.html.

http://www.volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_01_04-2009_01_10.shtml#1231474494

Terrorism and the Soviet Union



FDR was thirty years ahead of Andropov:

"The Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement of 1944 was based on negotiations between the United States and Britain over the control of Middle Eastern oil. Below is shown what the American President Franklin D. Roosevelt had in mind for to a British Ambassador in 1944:

"Persian oil …is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it’s ours.[6]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_intervention_in_the_Middle_East

You might want to Google Mohammad Mosaddegh if you're curious about Kermit Roosevelt's contribution to terror in the Middle East.

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Are you ready to provide the "Pseudostinians" with a level playing field?

I side with the people that want peace and democracy, so, **** no. Next? **** Muzzies and their pedophile prophet and **** you too. Go join them, DUmb****. I might even get a new smilie for you after you're stupid ass is flattened like a pancake by a D9.
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Not counting Pearl Harbor.

Neither the Russians nor Arafat bombed Pear Harbor, and Hawaii wasn't part of the US homeland in 1941.

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^You obviously have never heard of the Powell doctrine.

Luckily, Wiki has:

"The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powell_Doctrine#Analysis_and_CommentariesPowell Doctrine has been reported as emerging legacy from Korean and Vietnam and 'Never Again vs. Limited War' policy debates (either win or don't start versus value of limited war) [4][5] and Weinberger's Six Tests described in his 1984 speech 'The Uses of Military Power'.[6] The Doctrine has been noted as not fully applicable for policy in conflicts that are humanitarian intervention, war of choice, protracted counter-insurgency or anti-terrorism, and where the criteria are subjective or open to differing interpetations."

Have you heard of any US wars since 1945 that were not  war$ of choice?

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Have you heard of any US wars since 1945 that were not  war$ of choice?

I guess brown folk and all kinda Asian people don't deserve freedom to you and you probably had no problem with the Commies moving in and trying to take over the Damn world, killing millions of the people that inhabited the lands they took over.

Then again, you're probably a Communist dickhead, so no, it probably doesn't matter to you. All for the hammer and sickle. Communist ****.
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The Palestinians had their chance at a "level playing field" in 1948 and they refused.

And as far as aid to the Palestinians:

http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592

All of that money.  If it had been used properly the Palestinians should be living rather nicely and have all kinds of modern utilities and services for their people.  Instead they use that money for this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/04/palestinian-authority-pays-millions-in-salaries-to-jailed-terrorists-with-help/

What percentage of those "jailed terrorists" have been convicted of any crime?
What percentage have been charged with any crime?
How many are children under the age of 18 being held to pressure their parents into conforming with Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza get $1.3 billion in US economic assistance over the last twenty years (none of it FMS) while Israel pockets $1.8 billion to $2.4 billion per year over the same time period. You're level playing field seems to pit Arabs with rocks against Jews with rockets.

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What percentage of those "jailed terrorists" have been convicted of any crime?
What percentage have been charged with any crime?
How many are children under the age of 18 being held to pressure their parents into conforming with Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza get $1.3 billion in US economic assistance over the last twenty years (none of it FMS) while Israel pockets $1.8 billion to $2.4 billion per year over the same time period. You're level playing field seems to pit Arabs with rocks against Jews with rockets.

Is it your problem that the U.S. is not arming the Arabs to wipe out Israel instead of arming Israel to defend itself?
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...Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza get $1.3 billion in US economic assistance over the last twenty years (none of it FMS) while Israel pockets $1.8 billion to $2.4 billion per year over the same time period. You're level playing field seems to pit Arabs with rocks against Jews with rockets.

Funny you should put it quite that way, dick breath. Because, as I recall, the "palestinians" - Only for the sake of argument am I granting that your butt buddies are a real people, Buckwheat; don't get your panties in a bunch - have fired more tons of explosive, in the form of Katusha rockets into Israel, than your other hard on, Nazi Germany, fired into England during the entirety of the 2nd World War. For a group of sub-humans who, you point out, is at a 20:1 disadvantage in American tax dollars to spend, they sure have an awful lot of cash on hand to buy ordinance in warehouse store quantities.

No question from me, feltcher. What good would it do? You're already ignoring facts and dodging questions from folks far more conversant in the issue than I am. Just wanted to point out that your ass was showing. Again.
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How many are children under the age of 18 being held to pressure their parents into conforming with Israel's the Jews occupation of Palestine?

Say what's on your mind, ****er. I guess the Pseudostinians could always take their sorry asses back to the home of their religion, Saudi. Oh, but wait, neither the Jordanians, nor the Syrians, nor the Saudis, nor the Iraqis, nor the Egyptians, nor the, name the ****ing Muzzie country, want them. Those Joooooooooos, however, well, they've been in that land for thousands of years, and thousands of years before that murderous, pedophilic, sexist, racist, backwards ****ing cult ever left Saudi Arabia. Let me guess, you think the Crusades were about taking Muzzie lands, don't you, you ****ing retard?

BTW, where was their hero Yasser born? If you say SW Asia, or the Middle East to make it regional, you'd be wrong.
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What percentage of those "jailed terrorists" have been convicted of any crime? All should have been executed not jailed
What percentage have been charged with any crime? See above
How many are children under the age of 18 being held to pressure their parents into conforming with Israel's occupation of Palestine? No such place, all in that territory is Israel's They need to eliminate all the terrorist that are living in their land

Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza get $1.3 billion in US economic assistance over the last twenty years (none of it FMS) while Israel pockets $1.8 billion to $2.4 billion per year over the same time period. You're level playing field seems to pit Arabs with rocks against Jews with rockets.The Israeli land invaders can pound sand If I had a say and as far as money goes they would be the recipient of that money in the form of atoms being split.
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I guess brown folk and all kinda Asian people don't deserve freedom to you and you probably had no problem with the Commies moving in and trying to take over the Damn world, killing millions of the people that inhabited the lands they took over.

Then again, you're probably a Communist dickhead, so no, it probably doesn't matter to you. All for the hammer and sickle. Communist ****.

That he is.  He thinks Noam Chomsky is just the greatest.  YOu know...the Communist idiot that denied the Killing Fields of Cambodia ever happened.
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Is it your problem that the U.S. is not arming the Arabs to wipe out Israel instead of arming Israel to defend itself?

My problem with arming the Jewish state stems from the fact that it's been condemned by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#IsraelUN Human Rights Council in 32 resolutions passed by the Council since 2006; that's roughly 48% of all country-specific resolution passed by the Council.

Since Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza began 46 years ago, approximately 750,000 Palestinians have been detained by the Occupying Power and it continues to flood the territory it occupies with its civilians, all in violation of established international law.

What makes you think supporting state-sponsored terror isn't a problem?

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That he is.  He thinks Noam Chomsky is just the greatest.  YOu know...the Communist idiot that denied the Killing Fields of Cambodia ever happened.

Noam's never denied the killing fields of Cambodia (or Laos) and he got a lot closer to those war crimes than you did:

"Noam agreed, and I guess we both had one of the most unique experiences of our lives — he on the back of my motorcycle, me driving him about the streets of Vientiane, as he sought to learn as much as he could about U.S. war-making in Laos, still at that point largely unknown to the world outside.

"It was only in the next month that Richard Nixon finally admitted for the first time that the U.S. had been bombing Laos for the previous six years, though he and Henry Kissinger continued to lie by claiming that the bombing was only striking military targets."

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/17/when_chomsky_wept/

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Noam's never denied the killing fields of Cambodia (or Laos) and he got a lot closer to those war crimes than you did:

"Noam agreed, and I guess we both had one of the most unique experiences of our lives — he on the back of my motorcycle, me driving him about the streets of Vientiane, as he sought to learn as much as he could about U.S. war-making in Laos, still at that point largely unknown to the world outside.

"It was only in the next month that Richard Nixon finally admitted for the first time that the U.S. had been bombing Laos for the previous six years, though he and Henry Kissinger continued to lie by claiming that the bombing was only striking military targets."

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/17/when_chomsky_wept/

You're a lying sack of crap.  he did so deny they happened.

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Chomsky was one of the chief deniers of the Cambodian genocide of the 1970s, which took place in the wake of the Communist victory and American withdrawal from Indochina. He directed vitriolic attacks towards the reporters and witnesses who testified to the human catastrophe that was taking place there. Initially, Chomsky tried to minimize the deaths (a “few thousand”) and compared those killed by Pol Pot and his followers to the collaborators who had been executed by resistance movements in Europe at the end of World War II. By 1980, however, it was no longer possible to deny that some 2 million of Cambodia's 7.8 million people had perished at the hands of the Communists. But Professor Chomsky continued to deny the genocide, proposing that the underlying problem may have been a failure of the rice crop. As late as 1988, Chomsky returned to the subject and insisted that whatever had happened in Cambodia, the U.S. was to blame.

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Chomsky and Herman ridicule the idea that the people are “suffering in misery under a savage oppressor bent on genocide,” a notion disproved by “common sense” (pp. 151-2). They argue that if the population is being slaughtered, one would expect “unwillingness to fight for the Paris-educated fanatics at the top,” whereas the record indicates that the Cambodian people “have not exactly been awaiting liberation from their oppressors” (p. 156). They suggest that the killers “may actually have saved many lives” (p. 160). Echoing the ideology of the Khmer Rouge, they denounce the country’s “urban society” as “a colonial implantation,” which the perpetrators “know only as a murderer and a remote oppressor,” and thus plainly deserves its fate (p. 290). In their eyes, the atrocities are a “direct and understandable response to the violence of the imperial system,” a suggestion that readers may well interpret as an explicit justification for mass murder (p. 291).

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My problem with arming the Jewish state stems from the fact that it's been condemned by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#IsraelUN Human Rights Council in 32 resolutions passed by the Council since 2006; that's roughly 48% of all country-specific resolution passed by the Council.

The same U.N. Human rights council that allows Syria and Libya and other repressive regimes to be members?

Tell me troll...what country are you originally from?  I'm guessing the Middle East.

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Since Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza began 46 years ago, approximately 750,000 Palestinians have been detained by the Occupying Power and it continues to flood the territory it occupies with its civilians, all in violation of established international law.

Again with the lies and total willingness to ignore the truth.

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What makes you think supporting state-sponsored terror isn't a problem?

Because Israel isn't a terrorist state.
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My problem with arming the Jewish state stems from the fact that it's been condemned by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#IsraelUN Human Rights Council in 32 resolutions passed by the Council since 2006; that's roughly 48% of all country-specific resolution passed by the Council.

Since Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza began 46 years ago, approximately 750,000 Palestinians have been detained by the Occupying Power and it continues to flood the territory it occupies with its civilians, all in violation of established international law.

What makes you think supporting state-sponsored terror isn't a problem?

Umm, if you're going to use a link, you might want to use one that doesn't prove what a bigot and anti-Semite you truly are. From the link you provided:

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As of 2010, Israel had been condemned in 32 resolutions by the Council since its creation in 2006. The 32 resolutions comprised 48.1% of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council. By April 2007, the Council had passed nine resolutions condemning Israel, the only country which it had specifically condemned. Toward Sudan, a country with human rights abuses as documented by the Council's working groups, it has expressed "deep concern.".

The council voted on 30 June 2006 to make a review of alleged human rights abuses by Israel a permanent feature of every council session. The Council's special rapporteur on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is its only expert mandate with no year of expiry. The resolution, which was sponsored by Organisation of the Islamic Conference, passed by a vote of 29 to 12 with five abstentions. Human Rights Watch urged it to look at international human rights and humanitarian law violations committed by Palestinian armed groups as well. Human Rights Watch called on the Council to avoid the selectivity that discredited its predecessor and urged it to hold special sessions on other urgent situations, such as that in Darfur.

The Special Rapporteur on the question of Palestine to the previous UNCHR, the current UNHRC and the General Assembly was, between 2001 and 2008, John Dugard. Bayefski quotes him as saying that his mandate is to "investigate human rights violations by Israel only, not by Palestinians". Dugard was replaced in 2008 with Richard Falk, who has compared Israel's treatment of Palestinians with the Nazis' treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. Like his predecessor, Falk's mandate only covers Israel’s human rights record. The Palestinian Authority has informally asked Falk to resign, among other reasons due to viewing him as "a partisan of Hamas." Falk disputes this and has called the reasons given "essentially untrue". In July 2011, Richard Falk posted a cartoon some critics has described as anti-Semitic onto his blog. The cartoon depicted a bloodthirsty dog with the word "USA" on it wearing a kippah, or Jewish head covering. In response, Falk was heavily criticized by world leaders in the United States and certain European countries. The United States called Falk's behavior "shameful and outrageous" and "an embarrassment to the United Nations", and officially called on him to resign. US Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chairwoman of the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee called on Falk to resign as well. The Anti-Defamation League described the cartoon as a "message of hatred".

The UN Human Rights Council was castigated by Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for facilitating an event featuring a Hamas politician. The Hamas parliamentarian had spoken at an NGO event in the UN Geneva building. Israel’s ambassador to the UN, Ron Prosor, denounced the speech stating that Hamas was an internationally recognized terrorist organization that targeted civilians. “Inviting a Hamas terrorist to lecture to the world about human rights is like asking Charles Manson to run the murder investigation unit at the NYPD”, he said.
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Umm, if you're going to use a link, you might want to use one that doesn't prove what a bigot and anti-Semite you truly are. From the link you provided:


Oops...left out an important piece of info there.

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Oops...left out an important piece of info there.

No surprise really. I love it when I can use a troll's own link to show what a putz they are.  :-)

And there's more in that article that proves that the majority of the members on that counsel have a bitter hatred of the state of Israel. I didn't bring it over because it would have been too long to post here.
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So, our new anti semite is a troll, and a fraud.
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So, our new anti semite is a troll, and a fraud.

Nothing more complicated.  Usually isn't.
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So, our new anti semite is a troll, and a fraud.

I've seen this same thing happen on other sites.  I think their obsession with this is a mental disorder.
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Newsflash, troll, while the Soviets did in fact lose 20 million during WWII, that number is probably a welcome respite compared to the Ukranian genocide and Stalinist purges of the 1930's.  And I'm sure as shit it is a drop in the bucket compared to Mao's "Great Leap Forward" of the 50's and 60's.

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Newsflash, troll, while the Soviets did in fact lose 20 million during WWII, that number is probably a welcome respite compared to the Ukranian genocide and Stalinist purges of the 1930's.  And I'm sure as shit it is a drop in the bucket compared to Mao's "Great Leap Forward" of the 50's and 60's.

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