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What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslim population "is bound by the entire Islamic doctrine?"
About the same ratio as radical Zionists who follow Abraham Kook?

"The earlier influence of fundamentalist Rabbi Abraham Kook (1865-1935), or Kuk, was significant. He preached Jewish supremacy and said: 'The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels -- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.'

"His teachings helped create the settler movement, and his son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook, founded the extremist Gush Emunim (GE) under the slogan: 'The Land of Israel, for the people of Israel, according to the Torah of Israel.'"

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/961/focus.htm

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What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslim population "is bound by the entire Islamic doctrine?"

According to the Koran....all of them.



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About the same ratio as radical Zionists who follow Abraham Kook?

"The earlier influence of fundamentalist Rabbi Abraham Kook (1865-1935), or Kuk, was significant. He preached Jewish supremacy and said: 'The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels -- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.'

"His teachings helped create the settler movement, and his son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook, founded the extremist Gush Emunim (GE) under the slogan: 'The Land of Israel, for the people of Israel, according to the Torah of Israel.'"

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/961/focus.htm

Equating Judaism to radical Islam?

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What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslim population "is bound by the entire Islamic doctrine?"
About the same ratio as radical Zionists who follow Abraham Kook?

"The earlier influence of fundamentalist Rabbi Abraham Kook (1865-1935), or Kuk, was significant. He preached Jewish supremacy and said: 'The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels -- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.'

"His teachings helped create the settler movement, and his son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook, founded the extremist Gush Emunim (GE) under the slogan: 'The Land of Israel, for the people of Israel, according to the Torah of Israel.'"

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/961/focus.htm


What you're attempting to do here...is downplay the radicalism in Islam. And, you're citing the state-run Egyptian media as an authoritative source on Zionism and Judaism, which is like asking a rabbi his opinion of pork recipes.


The other falsehood that you're is peddling is equating Islamic doctrine with the doctrine of a single Jewish intellectual. Islamic doctrine comes from Mohammed, the Sunna and the Hadiths, and is not subject to choice. Rabbi Kuk was an obscure rabbi, whose influence was highly limited. A Jew who doesn't follow Kuk's ideology isn't an apostate. A Muslim who denies any of Mohammed's (and therefore Allah's) commands is guilty of apostasy, which is a death sentence. The 1.6 billion Muslims may not all believe as rabidly as the Iranian mullahs, but enough of them do to ensure that the rest fall into line, which is why there has been almost no attempt to reform Islam in the face of modernity. All Muslims are expected to believe that the Qur'an is the word of Allah and has existed eternally, and any deviation from it is apostasy. The schisms in Islam are not doctrinal, but are based on succession and power distribution (Sunni/Shia, Ismaili, etc.), and only occur when someone gets enough power to challenge the status quo. The schisms in Judaism are doctrinal (Orthodox, Conservative and Reform), just as they are in Christianity.
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What you're attempting to do here...is downplay the radicalism in Islam. And, you're citing the state-run Egyptian media as an authoritative source on Zionism and Judaism, which is like asking a rabbi his opinion of pork recipes.


The other falsehood that you're is peddling is equating Islamic doctrine with the doctrine of a single Jewish intellectual. Islamic doctrine comes from Mohammed, the Sunna and the Hadiths, and is not subject to choice. Rabbi Kuk was an obscure rabbi, whose influence was highly limited. A Jew who doesn't follow Kuk's ideology isn't an apostate. A Muslim who denies any of Mohammed's (and therefore Allah's) commands is guilty of apostasy, which is a death sentence. The 1.6 billion Muslims may not all believe as rabidly as the Iranian mullahs, but enough of them do to ensure that the rest fall into line, which is why there has been almost no attempt to reform Islam in the face of modernity. All Muslims are expected to believe that the Qur'an is the word of Allah and has existed eternally, and any deviation from it is apostasy. The schisms in Islam are not doctrinal, but are based on succession and power distribution (Sunni/Shia, Ismaili, etc.), and only occur when someone gets enough power to challenge the status quo. The schisms in Judaism are doctrinal (Orthodox, Conservative and Reform), just as they are in Christianity.

I'm not downplaying the influence of radical Islam as much as you're ignoring the influence that racist rabbis exert over elements of the IDF.
Kook's legacy exists today in the settler movement which sees state power as a legitimate tool to create a new messianic era based on the belief God created the world for Jews; Greater Israel belongs to Jews alone, and holy wars are acceptable to attain it. Given the overwhelming monopoly of violence that Jews exert in Palestine today, Kook's influence extends far beyond that of a single Jewish intellectual.

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I'm not downplaying the influence of radical Islam as much as you're ignoring the influence that racist rabbis exert over elements of the IDF.

Do you have proof of this?  From something other than an Egyptican publicaion that is.

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Kook's legacy exists today in the settler movement which sees state power as a legitimate tool to create a new messianic era based on the belief God created the world for Jews; Greater Israel belongs to Jews alone, and holy wars are acceptable to attain it

He was one person.  Trying to equate one man and his weird belief to ALL of Islam is just plain silly on your part and you should be ashamed of yourself fro trying to pull such a dishonest stunt like this.


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Given the overwhelming monopoly of violence that Jews exert in Palestine today,

You're kidding right?  Israel has shown far more restraint than anyone should expect them to when they are constantly attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas who are funded by radical Islamists in Iran and Syria who want nothing more than to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, and say so publicly on a regular basis.

Yet somehow Israel is the bad guy here?

And while we're on this subject, you do realize that none of this would really be a topic of debate today if the Palestinians had simply acceted U.N. Resolution 181 in 1948?  But that wasn't good enough.  So strong was their hatred for Israel and the Jews they rejected it.  So whatever problems and crisis they find themselves in today because they have no "homeland" (which is a joke in itself) is of their own doing.


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Kook's influence extends far beyond that of a single Jewish intellectual.

No it doesn't.  And just because you claim it does because some Egyptian publication said so isn't "proof".  It's biased kookery (no pun intended)
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What percentage of the world's 1.6 billion Muslim population "is bound by the entire Islamic doctrine?"
About the same ratio as radical Zionists who follow Abraham Kook?

"The earlier influence of fundamentalist Rabbi Abraham Kook (1865-1935), or Kuk, was significant. He preached Jewish supremacy and said: 'The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews -- all of them in all different levels -- is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.'

"His teachings helped create the settler movement, and his son, Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda Kook, founded the extremist Gush Emunim (GE) under the slogan: 'The Land of Israel, for the people of Israel, according to the Torah of Israel.'"

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/961/focus.htm


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Sounds like the newbie hates Jews.

Most Moose-Limb apologists do.
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The Land of Israel, for the people of Israel, according to the Torah of Israel.'"


I fail to see the problem with this.
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I fail to see the problem with this.

Agreed. Especially considering that the Bible/Torah contains a copy of the bill of sale for the land right there in the beginning.
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After our aspiring anti semite noob's attempt to derail the thread, try Walid Shoebat.
He was the first to open my eyes to the true threat of islam.
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Hey, georgephillip. Knock off the anti-Semite crap; go start your own thread and quit trying to hijack mine.
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Hey, georgephillip. Knock off the anti-Semite crap; go start your own thread and quit trying to hijack mine.
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After our aspiring anti semite noob's attempt to derail the thread, try Walid Shoebat.
He was the first to open my eyes to the true threat of islam.
Until my brother turned me on to him, I thought christians and muslims prayed to the same God by different means.
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I was DUmb too until 9/11. After that I started doing research on the web and reading more Islamic history.....boy was I DUmb to the truth about Islam.
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I fail to see the problem with this.

Get your eyes checked.

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Section_III._Occupied_territories

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Get your eyes checked.

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Section_III._Occupied_territories
You anti semites refuse to acknowledge that Israel is inhabiting their own sovereign lands, not occupying some mythical Palestinian land.
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Get your eyes checked.

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Section_III._Occupied_territories

Shut the **** up and get off of my thread. Go somewhere else for your mental masturbation.
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Get your eyes checked.

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Section_III._Occupied_territories

Get your head checked.  That's soverign Israeli soil.  

You uses the term "settler" as if it were a crime to live on land that you have legitimate claims to. All claims to the West Bank by Jordan were dropped decades ago, which leaves Israel the sole legal authority, both by UN Resolution and the laws of land warfare. If settling on such land is a crime, then Mohammed's taking of Medina and Mecca, and the Islamic colonization of the formerly Christian kingdoms of North Africa and the Levant must be far greater crimes, as was the Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian invasions of Israel in 1948, 1967 and 1973. However, these arguments are based on facts and history, not narrow minded factually inaccurate bigotry like you're putting forth.
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Shut the **** up and get off of my thread. Go somewhere else for your mental masturbation.

I agree.  Mods can we break this up and give this little anti-Semite that's messing up CG's thread his own so I can continue educating that fool.
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I reported him to the mod.

Please stop responding to him; it only encourages more tripe from the Jew hater.
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I reported him to the mod.

Please stop responding to him; it only encourages more tripe from the Jew hater.
He has managed to derail the thread quite effectively. Timing might be perfect for the guise of Roper to appear. (My radical islam alter ego Religion of peacer).
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He has managed to derail the thread quite effectively. Timing might be perfect for the guise of Roper to appear. (My radical islam alter ego Religion of peacer).

It appears that my complaint had an effect. He's gone from this thread and started another Jew hating thread.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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It looks like our anti semite noob has posted his driveby rant and moved on.
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I was DUmb too until 9/11. After that I started doing research on the web and reading more Islamic history.....boy was I DUmb to the truth about Islam.

You and me both.  I was also angry that we were not more informed.  Our media and schools have done a good job of hiding the truth about that religion.

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It looks like our anti semite noob has posted his driveby rant and moved on.

He'll be back.  He's been averaging a meme a day.
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