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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2013, 01:53:28 PM »
According to the Bible, "know" means "yes."

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2013, 01:54:26 PM »
Those aren't people.

They're Muslims.

I defy you to name 1 nation with a Muslim population that doesn't have a terrorism problem.

Meanwhile, the Jews have done more to advance civilization in the last 2000 years than any singular group in history despite the centuries of persecution.

I'm not throwing away Israel in trade for a bunch of unwashed, murderous sub-savages.

What DNA evidence have you seen that makes you "think" Muslims are not human beings?
You can't name a nation with or without a Muslim population that doesn't have a terrorism problem today assuming your definition of terrorism includes violence or threats of violence against a civilian population in pursuit of political, ideological or economic goals.
Jews produce genius out of all proportion to their numbers, and that encourages some Jews to believe they are racially superior to other humans, especially Palestinians:

"But if separation was the official policy of Labor Zionism, behind the scenes Ben Gurion and his officials increasingly appreciated that it would not be enough in itself to achieve their goal of a pure ethnic state. Land sales remained low, at about 6 per cent of the territory, and the Jewish-owned parts of the economy relied on cheap Palestinian labour.

"Instead, the Labor Zionists secretly began working on a programme of ethnic cleansing.

"After 1937 and Britain's Peel Report proposing partition of Palestine, Ben Gurion was more open about transfer, recognising that a Jewish state would be impossible unless most of the indigenous population was cleared from within its borders.

"Israel's new historians have acknowledged Ben Gurion's commitment to transfer. As Benny Morris notes, for example, Ben Gurion 'understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst.'

"The Israeli leadership therefore developed a plan for ethnic cleansing under cover of war, compiling detailed dossiers on the communities that needed to be driven out and then passing on the order, in Plan Dalet, to commanders in the field.

"During the 1948 war the new state of Israel was emptied of at least 80 per cent of its indigenous population."

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2013, 01:56:21 PM »
Don't you have a Bund meeting to attend?
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2013, 02:16:04 PM »
Don't you have a Bund meeting to attend?

Do you want to look at how the leaders of the Jewish Agency in Palestine responded to Hitler's victims?
Here's my view, what's yours?

"To the leaders of the Jewish Agency, the rise of fascism had a definite upside.

"Menahem Ussishkin told a Zionist Executive meeting, "There is something positive in their tragedy and that is that Hitler oppressed them as a race and not as a religion. Had he done the latter, half the Jews in Germany would simply have converted to Christianity.'

"In 1934, Labor Zionist Moshe Beilinson went to Germany and reported back to the Labor Party, 'The streets are paved with more money than we have ever dreamed of in the history of our Zionist enterprise. Here is an opportunity to build and flourish like none we have ever had or ever will have.'

"Specifically, 'the opportunity' meant the potential for thousands of new immigrants and their assets to come flooding into Palestine.

"However, Zionist officials were quite blunt in stating that they didn't want all the refugees from Hitler's Holocaust.

"They didn't want the burden of absorbing millions of impoverished sick refugees who had no ideological passion for Palestine. The Agency only wanted young, healthy Jews who could come over and work and fight and build the state. As Israeli historian Tom Segev writes,

"Urban life was, in their [Zionist leaders] eyes, a symptom of social and moral degeneration; returning to the land would give birth to the 'new man' they hoped to create in Palestine. In parceling our the immigration certificates, they therefore gave preference to those who could play a role in their program for building the country. They preferred healthy young Zionists."

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2013, 02:21:11 PM »
When people choose to be animals, they lose their humanity.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2013, 02:40:54 PM »
When people choose to be animals, they lose their humanity.

Exactly the point I was making but Herr Ubermunchkin watched as it sailed over his head.

How telling.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2013, 02:44:16 PM »
Exactly the point I was making but Herr Ubermunchkin watched as it sailed over his head.

How telling.
Concur.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2013, 04:19:09 PM »
Tee it up, Bitch:

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Yup.  Looks like I hit a nerve...bitch.  What's the matter Ed...still sore over the verbal ass kicking you took on this at CU?
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2013, 04:24:37 PM »
Question for the Jew hating bigot...


If the Israelis are all about this "apartheid" and exterminating the "Palestinians"...why have they refused every single offer of their own homeland ever offered them?

If all they want is land to call their own why haven't they acce[ted any one of the numerous offers presented to them?

That would include 97% of the Golan and 100% of the Gaza Strip.  Everything they had ever wanted right there on a silver platter.  All the Egyptian had to do was tell Ehud Barak "yes" and the deal would have been done.

Yet the Egyptian refused to accept demands that HE himself had made.

Why is that?
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2013, 04:25:11 PM »
Why are so many people afraid of a tiny postage stamp piece of land with a population of what?  Four or five million?

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2013, 04:27:39 PM »
Why are so many people afraid of a tiny postage stamp piece of land with a population of what?  Four or five million?



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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2013, 04:29:04 PM »
Concur.
I know there have been calls to ban him, but I say if he remains civil, let him stay. We need a dyed in the wool lib/socialist/dem/anti semite to keep us on our toes.

WRONG!
This asshole has already opened two hate filled threads on CC. we don't need to allow more. Nor do we need to let a troll open hate threads or hijack other threads at will.

I know you don't like to ban anyone. But scum like this are the very reason for bans in the first place. Even with opposition like he has received, he pushes his message of hate in every thread he touches.

Frankly I want to see George not only banned but the two threads he has opened to be disappeared as well.

Mods, george has long since ceased to be a chew toy. Short fuse please. There is NO reason to keep any longer. Thank you.
---At the very least take his hate threads out of the terrorism forum. Jews are not terrorists.

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2013, 04:29:23 PM »
Why are so many people afraid of a tiny postage stamp piece of land with a population of what?  Four or five million?


Over the centuries Jerusalem has become a superpower of influence.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PM »
Over the centuries Jerusalem has become a superpower of influence.


How so?  Nothing much has happened there in the last two thousand years.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2013, 04:39:05 PM »

How so?  Nothing much has happened there in the last two thousand years.
It has been a prize coveted ever more by muslims who fear it's influence and see it as a major stumbling block for the advancement of islamist jihad.
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« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2013, 04:43:53 PM »

How so?  Nothing much has happened there in the last two thousand years.

9/11 style trutherism. Jews are are only second to Conservatives as being the chief cause of every evil that's happened in the world since the dawn of time.

It's easier to make someone the boogie man than own up to your own actions.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2013, 04:48:12 PM »
OK. so here we go. Questions and answers for CC,

Q) Whats the difference between a busload of Nazi-assholes-like-georgephillip and a porcupine?
A) On a porcupine the pricks are on the outside.

Q) What do you have when a Nazi-asshole-like-georgephillip is burried up to his neck in sand?
A) Not enough sand.

Q) What do you call a Nazi-asshole-like-georgephillip wearing a thee piece suit?
A) a defendant.

Q) what do you call a Nazi-assholes-like-georgephillip wearing regulation white sheets and hood?
A) a target!





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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2013, 04:57:45 PM »
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2013, 05:27:58 PM »
What's black hearted and yellow and screams ?
A bus full of anti semites falling off a cliff.

What's black hearted and yellow and screams, and is a national tragedy ?
One seat was empty.

What do you call a bus full of anti semites at the bottom of the ocean ?
A good start.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2013, 05:35:52 PM »
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"During the 1948 war the new state of Israel was emptied of at least 80 per cent of its indigenous population."

That's because the Arab League countries told Arabs to get out of the newly formed country so they could have unlimited freedom to kill anything that moves and ensure it wouldn't be a fellow Arab.
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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2013, 08:26:59 PM »
That's because the Arab League countries told Arabs to get out of the newly formed country so they could have unlimited freedom to kill anything that moves and ensure it wouldn't be a fellow Arab.

Some of the 700,000 Arabs displaced by the creation of the Jewish state in '48 left because their "leaders" advised them to do so.
Rich Arabs went on vacation, expecting to return after hostilities ceased.
The majority of Arabs were displaced at the point of a Jewish bayonet or flamethrower:

"In late August 1948, during a United Nations-sanctioned truce, Israeli soldiers conducting what they called Mivtza Nikayon — Operation Cleaning — encountered some Palestinian refugees just north of the Egyptian lines. The Palestinians had returned to their village, now in Israeli hands, because their animals were there, and because there were crops to harvest and because they were hungry. But to the Israelis, they were potential fighters, or fifth columnists in the brand new Jewish state. The Israelis killed them, then burned their homes."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/books/review/Margolick-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2013, 08:50:34 PM »
Yup.  Looks like I hit a nerve...bitch.  What's the matter Ed...still sore over the verbal ass kicking you took on this at CU?

I'm not sure who Ed is or what CU stands for, but anytime you want a thread about Israel's deliberate attack on the Liberty, Ill be happy to contribute.  :fuelfire:

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2013, 09:42:48 PM »
Question for the Jew hating bigot...


If the Israelis are all about this "apartheid" and exterminating the "Palestinians"...why have they refused every single offer of their own homeland ever offered them?

If all they want is land to call their own why haven't they acce[ted any one of the numerous offers presented to them?

That would include 97% of the Golan and 100% of the Gaza Strip.  Everything they had ever wanted right there on a silver platter.  All the Egyptian had to do was tell Ehud Barak "yes" and the deal would have been done.

Yet the Egyptian refused to accept demands that HE himself had made.

Why is that?

If you're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_IIOslo II, Arafat rejected that "historic trade" because he would have suffered the same fate as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_RabinYitzhak Rabin if he hadn't.
Oslo II divided the West Bank into three areas, A, B, and C. Area C which contains all Jewish settlements takes up about 73% of the entire West Bank. Jews are the majority there, and it's likely to be the next annexation to take place in Palestine.

Areas A and B are "Palestinian controlled" yet subject to IDF incursions at any time.

The basic terms of Oslo II reaffirm the Cairo accords of 1994 which stipulate "that the Israeli Military Administration retains exclusive authority in 'legislation, adjudication, (and) policy execution...'"

In exchange, Arafat was required to renounce the Right of Return and recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Such a deal; give up two-thirds of Palestine and the right of return or compensation for what's been taken by force of arms.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199601--.htm

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2013, 09:49:24 PM »
What DNA evidence have you seen that makes you "think" Muslims are not human beings?
You can't name a nation with or without a Muslim population that doesn't have a terrorism problem today assuming your definition of terrorism includes violence or threats of violence against a civilian population in pursuit of political, ideological or economic goals.
Jews produce genius out of all proportion to their numbers, and that encourages some Jews to believe they are racially superior to other humans, especially Palestinians:

"But if separation was the official policy of Labor Zionism, behind the scenes Ben Gurion and his officials increasingly appreciated that it would not be enough in itself to achieve their goal of a pure ethnic state. Land sales remained low, at about 6 per cent of the territory, and the Jewish-owned parts of the economy relied on cheap Palestinian labour.

"Instead, the Labor Zionists secretly began working on a programme of ethnic cleansing.

"After 1937 and Britain's Peel Report proposing partition of Palestine, Ben Gurion was more open about transfer, recognising that a Jewish state would be impossible unless most of the indigenous population was cleared from within its borders.

"Israel's new historians have acknowledged Ben Gurion's commitment to transfer. As Benny Morris notes, for example, Ben Gurion 'understood that there could be no Jewish state with a large and hostile Arab minority in its midst.'

"The Israeli leadership therefore developed a plan for ethnic cleansing under cover of war, compiling detailed dossiers on the communities that needed to be driven out and then passing on the order, in Plan Dalet, to commanders in the field.

"During the 1948 war the new state of Israel was emptied of at least 80 per cent of its indigenous population."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Zionism's_Dead_End.html

The site that you are quoting, Third World Traveler, is hardly an authoritative source.  From its main page:

THIRD WORLD TRAVELER
is an archive of articles and book excerpts
that seek to tell the truth
about American democracy, media, and foreign policy,
and about the impact of the actions of
the United States government, transnational corporations, global trade and financial institutions, and the corporate media,
on democracy, social and economic justice, human rights, and war and peace,
in the Third World, and in the developed world.

THIRD WORLD TRAVELER also provides information and links to aid international travelers.

In addition, he lists a number of people that he considers heroes, including Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowdon, and he has an obituary for Hugo Chavez linked.  He also positively cites Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and Oliver Stone, all of whom are deeply dishonest haters of the United States and her allies.  If that is your idea of an authoritative source, then you really have no leg to stand on here.  The citations of obscure Jews over the past century to make false claims about Israel is an absurdly transparent tactic.  These were men and women who had little or no influence, unlike the far more widely disseminated apostles of hatred on the Arab side, such as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the leadership of the various Arab nations and those other Arabs who openly supported the Nazis during the war, and provided safe havens for them after.  

However, even obviously false statements must be refuted, and the statements about ethnic cleansing are patently false.  Take just one instance, the battle for Haifa.  A British police report from Haifa, dated April 26,1948 stated that “every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe.” (New York Times, April 23, 1948).  In addition, David Ben Gurion sent Golda Meir to Haifa to reach out to the Arab population and convince them to stay, but Arab propaganda deemed anyone who stayed as traitors to the Arabs and Islam.  Jamal Husseini, the chairman of the Palestine Higher Committee, told the UN Security Council that instead of accepting the Haganah’’s truce offer, the Arabs “preferred to abandon their homes, their belongings, and everything they possessed in the world and leave the town.”  The U.S. Consul-General in Haifa, Aubrey Lippincott, wrote on April 22, 1948 that “local mufti-dominated Arab leaders” were urging “all Arabs to leave the city, and large numbers did so.”   Even the Economist, which was extremely critical of the Jews, wrote at the time that “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit. . . . It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”  Time Magazine reported “The mass evacuation, prompted partly by fear, partly by orders of Arab leaders, left the Arab quarter of Haifa a ghost city. . . . By withdrawing Arab workers their leaders hoped to paralyze Haifa."  

The claim that the Zionists forcibly expelled the Arab population is a lie, perpetuated by the Arabs themselves, who were intent on ethnically cleansing the Jews.  But, here's a question for you, since you have repeated the lie:  Why is it that, with a numerically superior Arab/Muslim population, and numerically superior invading allied armies, the Arabs chose to leave, rather than stay and join the attacks on the Jews?  After all, in 1936, they were perfectly happy to riot and murder Jews.  What, beside the orders of the surrounding states, had changed?  

Do you want to look at how the leaders of the Jewish Agency in Palestine responded to Hitler's victims?
Here's my view, what's yours?

"To the leaders of the Jewish Agency, the rise of fascism had a definite upside.

"Menahem Ussishkin told a Zionist Executive meeting, "There is something positive in their tragedy and that is that Hitler oppressed them as a race and not as a religion. Had he done the latter, half the Jews in Germany would simply have converted to Christianity.'

"In 1934, Labor Zionist Moshe Beilinson went to Germany and reported back to the Labor Party, 'The streets are paved with more money than we have ever dreamed of in the history of our Zionist enterprise. Here is an opportunity to build and flourish like none we have ever had or ever will have.'

"Specifically, 'the opportunity' meant the potential for thousands of new immigrants and their assets to come flooding into Palestine.

"However, Zionist officials were quite blunt in stating that they didn't want all the refugees from Hitler's Holocaust.

"They didn't want the burden of absorbing millions of impoverished sick refugees who had no ideological passion for Palestine. The Agency only wanted young, healthy Jews who could come over and work and fight and build the state. As Israeli historian Tom Segev writes,

"Urban life was, in their [Zionist leaders] eyes, a symptom of social and moral degeneration; returning to the land would give birth to the 'new man' they hoped to create in Palestine. In parceling our the immigration certificates, they therefore gave preference to those who could play a role in their program for building the country. They preferred healthy young Zionists."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/Hidden_Roots_Zionism.html

Again, quoting obscure members of the Labor Party, speaking before the Holocaust, is hardly evidence of the beliefs of the majority of Jews in what was then Palestine, nor even of the Labor Party as a whole.  

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Re: Zionism's Dead End: Separation and Transfer
« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2013, 09:50:25 PM »
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If you're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_IIOslo II, Arafat rejected that "historic trade" because he would have suffered the same fate as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_RabinYitzhak Rabin if he hadn't.
Oslo II divided the West Bank into three areas, A, B, and C. Area C which contains all Jewish settlements takes up about 73% of the entire West Bank. Jews are the majority there, and it's likely to be the next annexation to take place in Palestine.

Areas A and B are "Palestinian controlled" yet subject to IDF incursions at any time.

The basic terms of Oslo II reaffirm the Cairo accords of 1994 which stipulate "that the Israeli Military Administration retains exclusive authority in 'legislation, adjudication, (and) policy execution...'"

In exchange, Arafat was required to renounce the Right of Return and recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Such a deal; give up two-thirds of Palestine and the right of return or compensation for what's been taken by force of arms.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199601--.htm
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