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[Bad Dog]

If you hate fundamentalist Christians, you're going to looooove me.

First, What's wrong with them?

Second, Why the hate from the party of tolerance?

Third, If the left is so tolerant why do fundamentalists need to change?

Good luck getting Lex to respond.  He can only regurgitate what was pumped in by his professors.

[CG6468]

Good luck getting Lex to respond.  He can only regurgitate what was pumped in by his professors.

Why bother with him?

[Lex]

No idiot.  YOU are the retard.

And the sources:

^ Stanley G. Payne. A History of Fascism, 1914-1945. University of Wisconsin Press, 1995. Pp. 263.
^ Martin Blinkhorn. Fascists and Conservatives: The Radical Right and the Establishment in Twentieth-Century Europe. Reprinted edition. Oxon, England, UK: Routledge, 1990, 2001. Pp. 10
^ a b Stanley Payne. A History of Fascism, 1914-1945. Madison, Wisconsin, USA: University of Wisconsin Pres, 1995. Pp. 261.
^ Sheelagh M. Ellwood. Spanish fascism in the Franco era: Falange Española de las Jons, 1936-76. Macmillan, 1987. Pp. 99-101.
^ a b Hans Rogger, Eugen Weber. The European Right. Berkeley and Los Angeles, California, USA: University of California Press; London, England, UK: University of Cambridge Press, 1965. Pp. 195.
^ a b Benjamin Welles. Spain: the gentle anarchy. Praeger, 1965. Pp. 124.

Take it up with the authors.


Again...from the experts:

 
I've studied plenty about it.  And what I've read does nothing to change what I said.

You're wrong.

In the first quote you posted, it stated that (1) Falangism respects private property except in the cases of credit facilities, which would still mean the means of production (a.k.a capital) are still in private hands, and (2) a national syndicalist economy that creates national syndicates of both employees and employers to mutually organize and control the economic activity (i.e, compromising to meet the needs of the nation's economy.)

Capitalism is defined as:

an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

According to what you posted, Falangists fit that role. They may have used capitalism for the benefit of the nation, but private owners still very much profited, and the means of production were still in private hands.

[obumazombie]

^What point are you trying to prove ?

[txradioguy]

^What point are you trying to prove ?

He's trying...and failing to prove that his little Nationalist Socialist hero...and the Socialist ideas it promotes...isn't what we all know it to be.

He's fallen in love with the romantic terms and isn't seeing what they really mean.

[txradioguy]

Falange [ˈfælændʒ (Spanish) faˈlanxe]
n
 (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the Fascist movement founded in Spain in 1933; the one legal party in Spain under the regime (1939-75) of Francisco Franco (1892-1975), the Spanish general and statesman



Fa•lange (ˈfeɪ lændʒ, fəˈlɑn heɪ)

n.
the fascist party in power in Spain during the Franco regime.

[< Sp, short for Falange Española Tradicionalista Traditionalist Spanish Phalanx]


Thesaurus Legend:  Synonyms Related Words Antonyms




Noun

1.

Falange - the Spanish Nazi party under Franco
national socialism, Naziism, Nazism - a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Falangists



Go ahead and continue to deny reality if you want.  You'll just make yourself look foolish.

[JohnnyReb]

Falange - the Spanish Nazi party under Franco
national socialism, Naziism, Nazism - a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Falangists

Ah, now I see why Hitler liked Franco so much....enough so that he sent the Condor Legion there for "training".

[Big Dog]

Spanish Nazis.



I hate those guys.

[Lex]

Falange [ˈfælændʒ (Spanish) faˈlanxe]
n
 (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the Fascist movement founded in Spain in 1933; the one legal party in Spain under the regime (1939-75) of Francisco Franco (1892-1975), the Spanish general and statesman



Fa•lange (ˈfeɪ lændʒ, fəˈlɑn heɪ)

n.
the fascist party in power in Spain during the Franco regime.

[< Sp, short for Falange Española Tradicionalista Traditionalist Spanish Phalanx]


Thesaurus Legend:  Synonyms Related Words Antonyms




Noun

1.

Falange - the Spanish Nazi party under Franco
national socialism, Naziism, Nazism - a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Falangists



Go ahead and continue to deny reality if you want.  You'll just make yourself look foolish.

You're the one denying reality here. You pull definitions to suit your agenda (specifically the one saying they were a Nazi party, sorry but not all fascists are Nazis.) First off, National Socialism isn't Socialism either, just in name. They still had respect for private property. Not to mention the link from Freedictionary says it was a fascist party, not a Nazi party. There's no denying they were fascist, indeed they were, but to call them Nazi? That's an incorrect definition and I'm sure if you talk to an actual Falangist, you'll see that they aren't National Socialists.

[Karin]

I'm not sure what's going on in this enormous thread, but

an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

sounds like an excellent plan to me. 

[EagleKeeper]

You're the one denying reality here. You pull definitions to suit your agenda (specifically the one saying they were a Nazi party, sorry but not all fascists are Nazis.) First off, National Socialism isn't Socialism either, just in name. They still had respect for private property. Not to mention the link from Freedictionary says it was a fascist party, not a Nazi party. There's no denying they were fascist, indeed they were, but to call them Nazi? That's an incorrect definition and I'm sure if you talk to an actual Falangist, you'll see that they aren't National Socialists.

Heh, "they still had respect for private property"

Well then, good on them!

[txradioguy]

You're the one denying reality here. You pull definitions to suit your agenda (specifically the one saying they were a Nazi party, sorry but not all fascists are Nazis.) First off, National Socialism isn't Socialism either, just in name. They still had respect for private property. Not to mention the link from Freedictionary says it was a fascist party, not a Nazi party. There's no denying they were fascist, indeed they were, but to call them Nazi? That's an incorrect definition and I'm sure if you talk to an actual Falangist, you'll see that they aren't National Socialists.

Lex...I'm not the one make up these definitions.  Experts in the field are writing these definitions that are accepted and deemed credible.  They are the ones who have done the research talked to and studied the Falangist movement from it's beginning until now.  If you or one of your pointy headed profs who has never done anything other than shove propaganda into the heads of young unknowing college kids like you have a problem with those expert definitions...take it up with the experts.

I'm sure they'll be willing to hear from a second year college kid like yourself just how wrong they are.

 

[CG6468]

Lex, why don't you get outta this introduction area and post something somewhere else for this?

[obumazombie]

Lex, why don't you get outta this introduction area and post something somewhere else for this?

Word up.

[Ptarmigan]

Quite a large topic for a Welcome post.

[here]

Quite a large topic for a Welcome post.

I know and who the heck is going to have the guts to make one now?  I admit, I'm afraid to do so

[Eupher]

I know and who the heck is going to have the guts to make one now?  I admit, I'm afraid to do so

I'd say let HIM do that.

Generally, n00bs post a short intro post in this forum, then after the hello, how-are-yous, opens one or more topics for discussion. In that area is generally where the "meat" is, rather than in this forum.

[RobJohnson]

Welcome to CC, Lex.