Life, a stupid question

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Ignorance is correctible in the absence of denial.

I just see you as critical, and I will never know if you are correct -your words don't explain an argument to me

[Dori]

I look forward to reading the studies which prove fetuses in the womb scream from hunger or discomfort.

A baby in the womb can't scream, it has no air in it's lungs and people being fed through a stomach tube don't scream from hunger either.



 

[Big Dog]

Humpty Dumpty?

Yes, Humpty Dumpty.

From Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
   
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Get it now, Humpty?

I don't feel the need to defend what I know intimately but feel free to dispute it yourself

Your statement was, "Only death shakes faith". This statement is easily shown to be false, as the following examples show:

1. A Baptist preacher loses faith in God, and quits the ministry.
2. A wife loses faith in her husband, after learning that he is having an affair.
3. An Obama zombie loses faith in King Hussein, because a rainbow unicorn didn't appear on her doorstep the day after his inauguration.

Three cases of faith shaken (not stirred), and not a death in the bunch.

[Big Dog]

A baby in the womb can't scream, it has no air in it's lungs and people being fed through a stomach tube don't scream from hunger either.

Indeed. By Humpty Dumpty's definition, they are not alive, because they can't scream.

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Yes, Humpty Dumpty.

From Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
   
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Get it now, Humpty?


Your statement was, "Only death shakes faith". This statement is easily shown to be false, as the following examples show:

1. A Baptist preacher loses faith in God, and quits the ministry.
2. A wife loses faith in her husband, after learning that he is having an affair.
3. An Obama zombie loses faith in King Hussein, because a rainbow unicorn didn't appear on her doorstep the day after his inauguration.

Three cases of faith shaken (not stirred), and not a death in the bunch.

You have Western thinking, I do not.  You see faith in terms of a what a year?  More?

[Dori]

Your statement was, "Only death shakes faith". This statement is easily shown to be false, as the following examples show:

1. A Baptist preacher loses faith in God, and quits the ministry.
2. A wife loses faith in her husband, after learning that he is having an affair.
3. An Obama zombie loses faith in King Hussein, because a rainbow unicorn didn't appear on her doorstep the day after his inauguration.

Three cases of faith shaken (not stirred), and not a death in the bunch.

Good points.  You can also say that many people facing death also find their spiritual faith.

[obumazombie]

Your statement was, "Only death shakes faith". This statement is easily shown to be false, as the following examples show:

1. A Baptist preacher loses faith in God, and quits the ministry.
2. A wife loses faith in her husband, after learning that he is having an affair.
3. An Obama zombie loses faith in King Hussein, because a rainbow unicorn didn't appear on her doorstep the day after his inauguration.

Three cases of faith shaken (not stirred), and not a death in the bunch.

I am a zombie for owebuma, and I approved this message !

[Big Dog]

You have Western thinking, I do not.  You see faith in terms of a what a year?  More?

"You have Western thinking, I do not".   What kind of silly word salad is this?

You're demonstrating the working of a disordered mind, Humpty.

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Your insults bore me -go play

[obumazombie]

Your insults bore me -go play

I find your characterization of Big Dog's observations as boring very critical.

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I find your characterization of Big Dog's observations as boring very critical.

Very well then, Big Dog needs a playmate

[freedumb2003b]

Yes, Humpty Dumpty.

From Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."
   
Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Get it now, Humpty?


Your statement was, "Only death shakes faith". This statement is easily shown to be false, as the following examples show:

1. A Baptist preacher loses faith in God, and quits the ministry.
2. A wife loses faith in her husband, after learning that he is having an affair.
3. An Obama zombie loses faith in King Hussein, because a rainbow unicorn didn't appear on her doorstep the day after his inauguration.

Three cases of faith shaken (not stirred), and not a death in the bunch.

If I may step in: those are changes of faith.  Not shaken faith.

Indeed as stated, only death can shake faith, since it is the only true test of faith.  All else is conjecture, not test.

It is like the fools who think hate is the opposite of love.  The wise know indifference is the opposite of love.

[Big Dog]

If I may step in: those are changes of faith.  Not shaken faith.

Indeed as stated, only death can shake faith, since it is the only true test of faith.  All else is conjecture, not test.

If you limit the definition of the word "faith" to religious faith, you may be right. But "faith" is a bigger word, with bigger meaning, than that.

Faith in a spouse does not require anyone's death to be shaken, damaged or destroyed.
The (misplaced) faith of the Obama worshiper does not require death to be shaken, damaged, or destroyed.

It is like the fools who think hate is the opposite of love.  The wise know indifference is the opposite of love.

True.

[Big Dog]

Hmm, you didn't specifically state in vitro but yes, deprive a fetus of fetal circulation, it reacts.

After a short night's sleep, I'm back to spank you some more, Humpty.

In vitro means "in a test tube". Did you really mean to say that?

[marv]

Congratulations everyone, this is a great thread. But it's something like looking for different shades of black.

[Big Dog]

Reaction is not necessarily self awareness.

Indeed. More often than proof of life, reaction is proof of physics.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

[CG6468]

Yes, I think we can in the sense that we are likely from the same source; are you touching on religion with your question?  Interestingly, I can trace my paternal lineage to the 1700 -I think earlier but it never interested me

I have mine back to about 1560. Before that is really cloudy.

[FlaGator]

I was not asking if you believe in religion, I was asking if you believe in life?

That question is very complex. It would depend on how you define life and that would depend on your philosophical or spiritual world view. What do you consider to be life? I am a Christian and as a Christian my soul and physical being are entwined in what we call this world. But, is this world all there is? I believe that my essence continues after death. My physical body dies but my spirit (soul if you will) passes on to another form of existence. I believe that God made our souls to be immortal for as long as he wills them to exist. Perhaps immortal is then the wrong way of looking at things. My existence (life) is tied to God's will and we have life in him.

When a dog dies, it really dies because their is nothing in its being to go forward. Its existence is bound to this world. Our existence is bound to God's.

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I have mine back to about 1560. Before that is really cloudy.

Interesting CG .  On a related topic,  I thought of doing that DNA tracing project study -was it National Geographic?

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That question is very complex. It would depend on how you define life and that would depend on your philosophical or spiritual world view. What do you consider to be life? I am a Christian and as a Christian my soul and physical being are entwined in what we call this world. But, is this world all there is? I believe that my essence continues after death. My physical body dies but my spirit (soul if you will) passes on to another form of existence. I believe that God made our souls to be immortal for as long as he wills them to exist. Perhaps immortal is then the wrong way of looking at things. My existence (life) is tied to God's will and we have life in him.

When a dog dies, it really dies because their is nothing in its being to go forward. Its existence is bound to this world. Our existence is bound to God's.

I'm hoping that dog's do have a forever;  I can recall a minister telling me he thought they did too.

[thundley4]

I'm hoping that dog's do have a forever;  I can recall a minister telling me he thought they did too.

SOme believe pets go to heaven because they would be necessary for the human's souls.

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SOme believe pets go to heaven because they would be necessary for the human's souls.

If there is a separate dog heaven, I'd be damn happy to go there.

[freedumb2003b]

If you limit the definition of the word "faith" to religious faith, you may be right. But "faith" is a bigger word, with bigger meaning, than that.

Faith in a spouse does not require anyone's death to be shaken, damaged or destroyed.
The (misplaced) faith of the Obama worshiper does not require death to be shaken, damaged, or destroyed.

I stand totally corrected.  "Faith" is trust in that which cannot be proven.  

I did indeed elevate it to Faith in God, which can never ever be proven in our empirical lives (unless He just decides "That's it, I am going to just skywrite The Meaning across all the world").

Faith in obozo now requires trust in the presence of complete and concrete empirical proof that he is a socialist, a buffoon, a manchild and an idiot.  

Thanks for helping me refine my thinking...

[freedumb2003b]

If there is a separate dog heaven, I'd be damn happy to go there.

Whatever heaven I go to (assuming a LOT...), my now passed beloved Musica and Neysa (cats) had better be there or I AIN'T STAYING!

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Whatever heaven I go to (assuming a LOT...), my now passed beloved Musica and Neysa (cats) had better be there or I AIN'T STAYING!

No kidding.  I avoid my parents and two siblings in this life; I sure a hell don't want to see them for eternity but my beloved dog, I still miss.