Life, a stupid question

[Big Dog]

Life means being self aware, but also having a desire for self preservation.

An unborn baby has not yet developed self-awareness nor desires of any kind (including a desire for self-preservation).

Is it not alive?

[Big Dog]

OK, I've had a glass of wine and I'll take the challenge.  Only death shakes faith and despite some religions that celebrate 'returning home', we all have doubts that this is it and our biological expiration ends a chance to make things right, or to say what we didn't dare

Are you sure about that?

[obumazombie]

An unborn baby has not yet developed self-awareness nor desires of any kind (including a desire for self-preservation).

Is it not alive?

I am on (or close to) your same wavelength. Check reply #21, this thread.

[obumazombie]

Are you sure about that?

Is that a rhetorical question ? I ask ironically.

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An unborn baby has not yet developed self-awareness nor desires of any kind (including a desire for self-preservation).

Is it not alive?

I'm pretty sure studies prove that isn't true; they instinctively scream to signal hunger, and any discomfort

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That is an awesome question.

I look to my right and ask myself if my cat is alive
I believe that I can trace my cats lineage back to the first organism as I can do for myself.

Let me know when your cat can trace yours

[EagleKeeper]

I can trace my DNA all the way back to the beginning.

Can you?

[Big Dog]

Is that a rhetorical question ? I ask ironically.

Socratical, but not rhetorical, my ironical friend.

[Big Dog]

I'm pretty sure studies prove that isn't true; they instinctively scream to signal hunger, and any discomfort

I look forward to reading the studies which prove fetuses in the womb scream from hunger or discomfort.

Link to one, please?

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Are you sure about that?

Yes, I know this well.  While we are living the possibilities exist and human beings, no matter their obvious fate, have hope, but death is an unknown dance

[Big Dog]

How do you explain soldiers, or emergency personnel?

What an odd question.

Are you inferring that Soldiers and emergency personnel lack self-awareness or the desire for self-preservation?

[Big Dog]

Yes, I know this well.  While we are living the possibilities exist and human beings, no matter their obvious fate, have hope, but death is an unknown dance

Go back and re-read your statement.

"Only death shakes faith".

Are you sure about that?

[obumazombie]

Go back and re-read your statement.

"Only death shakes faith".

Are you sure about that?

I have it on good authority that question is Socratic !

[EagleKeeper]

Yes, I know this well.  While we are living the possibilities exist and human beings, no matter their obvious fate, have hope, but death is an unknown dance

I think you have missed the entire point.

You stupid bastard...are you alive?

If you are how did you come into being? Was it a accident...are you accidently alive?

Are you a dead person talking to me.

Are you alive?

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What an odd question.

Are you inferring that Soldiers and emergency personnel lack self-awareness or the desire for self-preservation?

I think they have a greater force than most, and are fully aware they leave corporal protection in the dust.  I'm in awe of people who can run into danger, and not away.  Undoubtedly, the natural state of man is to self-preserve their being, and it excludes them from heroism  

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I look forward to reading the studies which prove fetuses in the womb scream from hunger or discomfort.

Link to one, please?

Hmm, you didn't specifically state in vitro but yes, deprive a fetus of fetal circulation, it reacts.

[obumazombie]

Hmm, you didn't specifically state in vitro but yes, deprive a fetus of fetal circulation, it reacts.

Reaction is not necessarily self awareness.

[Big Dog]

Hmm, you didn't specifically state in vitro

Ah, but I did.

An unborn baby has not yet developed self-awareness nor desires of any kind (including a desire for self-preservation).

Is it not alive?

[Big Dog]

Undoubtedly, the natural state of man is to self-preserve their being, and it excludes them from heroism  

This statement contains a serious, if not fatal, mistake.

As the philosopher said, "check your premises".

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I think you have missed the entire point.

You stupid bastard...are you alive?

If you are how did you come into being? Was it a accident...are you accidently alive?

Are you a dead person talking to me.

Are you alive?

How does calling people a "stupid bastard" facilitate discussion?  Your language choice bores me

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Reaction is not necessarily self awareness.

Yes, I agree but fetal physiology is too complex for me tonight too

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Go back and re-read your statement.

"Only death shakes faith".

Are you sure about that?

Do you not agree that while we live, we can have out questions answered?

[Big Dog]

Do you not agree that while we live, we can have out questions answered?

Again, with the non sequetur.

"Only death shakes faith" does not equal "while we live, we can have our questions answered" (which is demonstrably false, by the way).

Words have meaning, Humpty Dumpty. Try again.

You said, "Only death shakes faith". Defend that statement.

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Again, with the non sequetur.

"Only death shakes faith" does not equal "while we live, we can have our questions answered" (which is demonstrably false, by the way).

Words have meaning, Humpty Dumpty. Try again.

You said, "Only death shakes faith". Defend that statement.

Humpty Dumpty? I don't feel the need to defend what I know intimately but feel free to dispute it yourself

[obumazombie]

Ignorance is correctible in the absence of denial.