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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2013, 08:17:31 AM »
Are they anything like parrots who come to see their masters as lifelong family members ?

I don't want to de-rail the thread on flyers (they really do seem to be cool animals and can acclimate to people), but the "bidness" with parrots tends to be a little more complex.

First of all, when parrots are hand-raised (which is what Skul appears to be doing with his flyers), they ordinarily lose their innate fear of humans. This is a rather new phenomenon as parrots really haven't been widely seen as pets (hence the term "exotic" when used to describe them), therefore they as a collection of species, really haven't been out of the wild that long.

Once they're hand-raised, re-releasing parrots into the wild would be cruel, seems to me. They have not learned to identify, locate, and feed on naturally-found food. And they've not learned to be defensive necessarily, although their natural fear and thus flight is instinctive.

There are still many, many individual parrots that are out there that were captured in the wild and thus never learned to acclimate wholly to humans. Mrs. E and I have two such animals at present that we are fostering: the first is a Nanday conure and the second is an orange-winged Amazon.

Skul is completely correct when he says that parrots are social animals. They look at humans as part of their overall flock, that's to be sure, but the relationships are a little more complex than that. For example, Mrs E and I have a Solomon Islands eclectus parrot - female - who selected me as much more than part of her flock. She selected me as her mate. She exhibits all sorts of typical behavior along those lines -- tries to get me to feed her from my mouth, exhibits nesting behavior, raises her hind end, lays eggs, all that kind of stuff. And she's frustrated when I don't respond like a male eclectus would.

Our African grey, on the other hand, has not sexually matured yet. So we don't really know how she might react when she does mature -- if, in fact, she wants to procreate. Some individual parrots don't indicate an interest in procreation, oddly enough.

Despite the two foster birds being wild-caught, Mrs E and I are working with them. The conure has responded very well and once you get him away from his cage, he'll readily step up on your hand and otherwise accept you. The Amazon -- who is much older at about 50 years old -- is a much tougher nut to crack. In order to move him around, we have had to towel him. But with leather gloves on, I'm able to handle him (with him furiously biting the gloves which is definitely powerful enough to feel significantly through the gloves) and I was able to get him to step up yesterday for the first time.

These two birds are what the bird club calls "custodial birds" since it's unlikely they'll ever be adoptable. We hope to change that with the conure and maybe with time, also the Amazon.

One thing I meant to ask Skul about the flyers -- what about bites and other types of aggression? Do you see any of that?
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2013, 03:32:38 PM »

One thing I meant to ask Skul about the flyers -- what about bites and other types of aggression? Do you see any of that?
Good run down on the parrots.. I don't mind at all.

The only time I've seen aggression was when they have babies. The mothers turn into box-sharks.
When the babes hit around five weeks, it begins to taper off.
When females are in heat, they get a tiny bit froggy.
Other than that, they seem quite docile most of the time.
We do know some people that do have bitey squirrels.  Many of them came from breeders or pet store.
Squirrels that haven't been properly peopled, have a tendency to nip and bite.
I would imagine it's about the same with parrots.

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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2013, 03:52:19 PM »
I don't need no rodents flying or gliding around our place.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2013, 04:36:05 PM »
I don't need no rodents flying or gliding around our place.
Get a hamster, ya old grouch.  :tongue:
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2013, 10:03:56 PM »
Had them when I was a kid. Then our kids had hamsters, gerbils, snakes and a ferret.

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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2013, 10:10:01 PM »
Had them when I was a kid. Then our kids had hamsters, gerbils, snakes and a ferret.


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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2013, 10:20:28 PM »
Excellent treatise on Parrots. In the future I will Parrot Your treatise, and plagiarize it !

Oh! We had a baby robin too. Named him Chirp. Because he went CHIRP all the time! He'd land on our dog's back and on our shoulders. He finally flew away, which is why we saved him in the first place.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2013, 07:31:11 AM »
An update on the orange-winged Amazon (his name is Paulie):

Wearing thin leather gloves (an absolute necessity as an Amazon's bite is extremely strong, second to only that of a macaw or cockatoo), I got Paulie to step up and remain on my hand. Yes, he bit into the glove, but not as ferociously as he had before.

Stepping up on a human hand is a first for him. He's almost 50 years old, and I believe firmly that he's never had anybody work with him like Mrs E and I have.

And then this morning, I put him in the tub for a shower. Afterwards, I cornered him in the tub, again wearing gloves, and he stepped up freely and stayed on my hand all the way back to his cage.

He is learning that the big, bad human hand really ain't so bad after all.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2013, 07:12:44 PM »
An update on the orange-winged Amazon (his name is Paulie):

Wearing thin leather gloves (an absolute necessity as an Amazon's bite is extremely strong, second to only that of a macaw or cockatoo), I got Paulie to step up and remain on my hand. Yes, he bit into the glove, but not as ferociously as he had before.

Stepping up on a human hand is a first for him. He's almost 50 years old, and I believe firmly that he's never had anybody work with him like Mrs E and I have.

And then this morning, I put him in the tub for a shower. Afterwards, I cornered him in the tub, again wearing gloves, and he stepped up freely and stayed on my hand all the way back to his cage.

He is learning that the big, bad human hand really ain't so bad after all.
That's just great that you could get Paulie to do that. For such an old bird, I'm very impressed.  :cheersmate:
Most people don't quite understand that they live that long.
Squirrels, when properly cared for, can live twelve years.
The wife and I raised Tiels, Love birds and Keets, for a while.
It became a burden, and we stopped.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2013, 09:02:34 PM »
That's just great that you could get Paulie to do that. For such an old bird, I'm very impressed.  :cheersmate:
Most people don't quite understand that they live that long.
Squirrels, when properly cared for, can live twelve years.
The wife and I raised Tiels, Love birds and Keets, for a while.
It became a burden, and we stopped.


We don't breed birds -- whoa, that's a whole new level of pain.

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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2013, 08:56:42 PM »
Flyers, are something that the wife and I do.
We do not raise them for sale, and never will.
They, are our hobby, and love,

I thought you meant the Richmond Flying Sqirrels!



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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2013, 07:05:50 AM »
I thought you meant the Richmond Flying Sqirrels!



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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2013, 05:33:42 PM »
Some of the young flyers were out again today.
Wife decided to stuff a little formula in them.
The first photo, is the five week old fox squirrel we got four weeks, six days ago.  :-)
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2013, 05:47:34 PM »
Interesting looking critters, Skul.

Huge eyes. I think you said they're nocturnal?
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2013, 07:09:41 PM »
Interesting looking critters, Skul.

Huge eyes. I think you said they're nocturnal?
They sure are.  A lot of people are unaware they have them, for that reason.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2013, 02:41:51 PM »
That top one would make some good eatin'!  I love squirrel.  Although, I've never had squirrel wings ...

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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2013, 09:00:36 PM »
That top one would make some good eatin'!  I love squirrel.  Although, I've never had squirrel wings ...

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They're pretty thin on the meat end.  :-)
Rather leathery.
Here's three stooges having a mealworm snack.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2013, 05:53:43 PM »
The young Fox squirrel is doing very well. He's up to 140 grams now.
Eyes opened a few days ago. He's exploring and being a pain in the ass.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2013, 11:32:27 AM »
Caught the foxer taking a nap in the sack.
Over 200 grams now, and still growing.
Loves to wrestle with your fingers.
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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2013, 10:04:07 PM »
^That much cuteness is life threatening.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2013, 10:31:37 PM »
The young Fox squirrel is doing very well. He's up to 140 grams now.
Eyes opened a few days ago. He's exploring and being a pain in the ass.

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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2013, 08:04:59 AM »
Two new babies came in yesterday. Finder was not equipped to care for them.
Both are male Gray squirrels almost four weeks old.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2013, 12:09:57 PM »
Piglet was being cute the other night.  She's probably the friendliest of all the monsters.
Loves being petted.  The others will tolerate pets, but, not for any length of time.
She's a pretty girl.
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Re: Flying Squirrels
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2013, 01:24:36 PM »
Looks like Piglet needs to go on the Fat Girl program.  :-)
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« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2013, 02:19:57 PM »
Looks like Piglet needs to go on the Fat Girl program.  :-)
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