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The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:26:47 PM »
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Recently, I came a across a news article focused on an uproar that Miley Cyrus has caused with her new tattoo. The quick version is, she got an “=” sign on her middle finger supporting gay marriage. Tweeting, “All love is equal.” Where the news story picks up is that the former Disney darling quickly triggered a flurry of her twitter followers to respond. Some not so favorable as one tweeted, “Where in the Bible does it say homosexuality is okay?” This prompting Miley to fire back with, “Where does it say in the bible to judge others?" she Tweeted to one of her fans. Concluding with, “Oh right. It doesn't. GOD is the only judge honey. GOD is love.”

“Judging others” is an issue that has confused many people. Unfortunately, when you hear “Don’t judge me” or “The Bible says” it’s usually flowing from the mouth of someone who couldn’t even tell you what Testament the book of Job is in; or the believer that paraphrases certain biblical verses without reflecting on others. First and foremost, I don’t care who you are, we ALL judge. Let me prove my point. When you see a guy sitting at a corner with a cardboard sign, most people think “Homeless.” ~ Judgment. A teen girl holding a baby... “She must have gotten “Knocked-up.” ~ Judgment. Here’s one for ya. The elderly lady who smiles at you in the grocery story, you think “What a sweet lady.” ~ Judgment. I threw that last one in for a reason. When we make an assumption about someone, even if it’s a good one, you just passed judgment upon them.

This debate has two sides. On one side, Jesus did say, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other side, the Bible provides clear urgency that we should not hang out with wrongdoers. “Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers” (Psalm 1:1). If we are to listen to this guidance, then how are we to discern whom the “wicked” that the Bible is speaking of, if we do not pass some sort of judgment upon them?

The rest:  http://blogs.christianpost.com/building-his-kingdom/the-bible-says-not-to-judge-others-or-does-it-10755/
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 02:42:54 PM »
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she got an “=” sign on her middle finger

Sounds more like fill marks on a dipstick. They missed the rest of the tatt, "DO NOT OVERFILL" on the back of her hand.



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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 04:13:00 PM »
Idiot misses the point. She cut off too much hair.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2013, 12:48:10 AM »
That part of the Bible is often misconstrued. The Bible did say make judgement, but not all the time.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2013, 09:02:01 AM »
 The Bible clearly teaches that we are to correct sinning Christians, forgive those that sin against us, and act as salt and light in this world...all of which are impossible without "judging" others. What we cannot judge is another person's salvation, as despite their actions, only God knows.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2013, 07:30:14 PM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on April 03, 2013, 09:02:01 AM
The Bible clearly teaches that we are to correct sinning Christians, forgive those that sin against us, and act as salt and light in this world...all of which are impossible without "judging" others. What we cannot judge is another person's salvation, as despite their actions, only God knows.
So watch yourselves. "If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Luke 17:3
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2013, 07:56:37 PM »
It is perfectly normal, intelligent, and OK to form opinions -- good and bad -- about anything and anyone.  That is how we get through life.

What "Do not judge others" means is do not try to take the place of God and decide how God should treat them.   
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 07:59:41 PM »
Quote from: Undies on April 03, 2013, 07:56:37 PM
It is perfectly normal, intelligent, and OK to form opinions -- good and bad -- about anything and anyone.  That is how we get through life.

What "Do not judge others" means is do not try to take the place of God and decide how God should treat them.   


So it's okay to tell someone that they "should go to Hell", but not to tell them they "are going to Hell", right?
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 08:02:05 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on April 03, 2013, 07:59:41 PM

So it's okay to tell someone that they "should go to Hell", but not to tell them they "are going to Hell", right?

By golly!  I think he's got it!
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 08:05:14 PM »
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Doesn't sound like not judging. Sounds like judging wisely.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 08:09:21 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on April 03, 2013, 08:05:14 PM
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Doesn't sound like not judging. Sounds like judging wisely.
Too bad so many of those that judge Christians are completely ignorant about Christianity.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 10:18:15 PM »
Actually when Jesus says "Judge not that ye be judge yourselves." Basically means that lets say Obama says "Well Bush did that wrong" when he has done worse. You do not judge people by their sins because we are all sinners.
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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 04:16:33 PM »
The verse quoted is usually this one:

Matthew 7:1 - "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

They never go on to verse 2:

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So in the example above, if the scriptures teach that homosexuality is immoral, then to point that out is not judging.  God has already made the judgement.  What the child Miley said ("Where does it say in the bible to judge others? Oh right. It doesn't. GOD is the only judge honey. GOD is love.") is in essance "God loves sin," which is inaccurate.

If I "judge" based upon repeating what God has clearly determined on the issue, then all I've done is make someone aware of what God has already passed judgement upon.  IOW, I've "judged" based upon the same standards by which I am going to be judged, which is God's Word.

God has already made the judgement about what is and isn't moral and immoral.  Repeating what God has said, or pointing to the scriptures and saying "Here, you read it for yourself," isn't me judging anybody.

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Re: The Bible Says Not to Judge Others... Or Does It?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2013, 10:05:35 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on April 04, 2013, 04:16:33 PM
The verse quoted is usually this one:

Matthew 7:1 - "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

They never go on to verse 2:

"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

So in the example above, if the scriptures teach that homosexuality is immoral, then to point that out is not judging.  God has already made the judgement.  What the child Miley said ("Where does it say in the bible to judge others? Oh right. It doesn't. GOD is the only judge honey. GOD is love.") is in essance "God loves sin," which is inaccurate.

If I "judge" based upon repeating what God has clearly determined on the issue, then all I've done is make someone aware of what God has already passed judgement upon.  IOW, I've "judged" based upon the same standards by which I am going to be judged, which is God's Word.

God has already made the judgement about what is and isn't moral and immoral.  Repeating what God has said, or pointing to the scriptures and saying "Here, you read it for yourself," isn't me judging anybody.

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