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KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 AMOriginal messageHow in the hell can CHURCHES be voting sites??? I was just listening to MSNBC in the background a few minutes ago and they were reporting on the fiasco that is the Michigan primary. Some talking head was talking about the mood of primary voters at a church that is a polling station.Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless? I know that the separation between state and church has been terribly eroded, especially within the past 7 years. But using churches as voting sites is beyond the pale as far as I'm concerned.
Every voting site I have ever been to have been municipal buildings or schools. Are churches regularly used as voting sites and I'm just clueless?
SEIU Local 32BJ represents more than 85,000 cleaners, doormen, porters, maintenance workers and window cleaners in the mid-Atlantic region. Attendance was encouraged by prominent New York pastors including the Rev. Johnny Ray Youngblood of St. Paul Community Baptist Church in Brooklyn, and the union, which gave members credit for attending that could be used to earn money for organizing activities. The union endorsed Clinton last year, but Fishman didn’t mention her in an impassioned speech about the union’s effort to organize security workers.
KzooDem (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 11:20 AMResponse to Original message22. Wow...guess I just didn't realize so many polling places are churches. Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:25 AM by KzooDemI have only voted at schools and municipal sites as mentioned before. I've only checked where my voting site was going to be and didn't really pay attention to where other voting sites were.I guess from a practical standpoint (space) it makes sense, but it still raises my spearation of church and state hackles. thats cause youre an idiot who doesnt understand what that term actually means. Maybe if we changed our national voting day from a WEEKEDAY to a WEEKEND day, we'd not only likely get more voters participating in democracy, but we'd also have room for them to vote in our municipal buildings. Thanks for the responses. I'm a little emarassed to discover I didn't know how common church-site voting is. Perhaps my concern was misplaced, but I still think that in a perfect world voting should not take place in a place of worship. But, as we all know this is decidedly not a perfect world.
this thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means... since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU.
Angela Shelley (605 posts) Tue Jan-15-08 12:00 PMResponse to Reply #4758. It´s the SYMBOLISM when using a church as a polling station: ... Churches don´t have to pay taxes, report their income or their wealth, they discriminate on the basis of gender, race, and personal beliefs, their leaders can come up with new rules everyday and are not held accountable by their members, but yet ... we enjoy using their buildings to cast our vote. ...It´s symbolic for the attitude in the country: "We really don´t want anything to do with you, but we would be glad to take advantage of your presence"
eppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AMResponse to Original message37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week. All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
Quote from: Lauri on January 15, 2008, 01:19:28 PMthis thread reminds me that i need to teach my daughter what 'the separation of church and state' means... since she's only 8 years old, i expect that she will understand this issue far better than the adult kookoo at DU. It means "crush all predominantly white Christian-based churches," right?
We used to vote in the church a quarter of a mile away...now it is in the church a couple miles in the other direction...been that way since I moved here in 2001. Oh and idiot DUmbass, since when it just walking into a place of worship for another purpose other then to worship considered religious behavior that a secular person must be protected against? I've walked into all sorts of worship centers to attend secular gatherings. Nobody withers up and dies and there are no church members(unless they are part of the club or whatever) waiting to jump you and preach. Churches normally either donate their space for charitable events(even secular ones) or rent out the space. I've been to many many scrapbooking events at local churches that were not sponsored by the church. They merely donated or rented the space out.
Quoteeppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AMResponse to Original message37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week. All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz. Umm, have you ever heard of churches running food banks, daycares, or other socially beneficial programs? Idiot.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-15-08 12:19 PMResponse to Original message77. Why The **** Not? Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 12:23 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIMEThere's not the slightest thing wrong with the concept. Not in the slightest.Not sure what in the world you think is 'beyond the pale' or why you're so uppity about the concept, but I'd wager it's due to some deep rooted issue against religion that actually has nada to do with the actual concept of voting in a church. Regardless, I find the OP to be laughable.On edit: I also see that you posted in the thread that it 'raises your separation of church and state hackles' blah blah. If it's one thing I LOATHE, it's people who take the separation concept to such ignorant and petty degrees, as to think that a concept like that in the OP would pertain whatsoever. It's those types of people who make our party look bad as it relates to religion. That type of melodramatic misinterpretation of what separation of church and state actually means is used constantly as fodder against us liberals, when in fact it is just the product of a small few who need to get their heads out of their asses and stop being so intolerant of religion.
go west young man Tue Jan-15-08 01:01 PMResponse to Reply #112117. As I posted it's Brunswick Georgia. Home of FLETC. The Ford LTDs were outside of both churches. Sitting in the shadows. Just like the KGB used to do. I am not mistaken.My voting registration card was sent to me in the mail so of course I was registered.
this dude has a rambling story about his wife from Russia.. yadda yadda he wasnt listed on the record at the voting place.. then he says this.. go west young man Tue Jan-15-08 01:01 PMResponse to Reply #112117. As I posted it's Brunswick Georgia. Home of FLETC. The Ford LTDs were outside of both churches. Sitting in the shadows. Just like the KGB used to do. I am not mistaken.My voting registration card was sent to me in the mail so of course I was registered.???
Quote from: WinOne4TheGipper on January 15, 2008, 01:34:28 PMQuoteeppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AMResponse to Original message37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week. All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz. Umm, have you ever heard of churches running food banks, daycares, or other socially beneficial programs? Idiot.the church we used to go was held in a high school gymnasium. a few of the locals thought that was also a 'church and state' issue.. i swear, the depth of stupidity in some people is embarassing.
and then a few idiots show up... QuoteAngela Shelley (605 posts) Tue Jan-15-08 12:00 PMResponse to Reply #4758. It´s the SYMBOLISM when using a church as a polling station: ... Churches don´t have to pay taxes, report their income or their wealth, they discriminate on the basis of gender, race, and personal beliefs, their leaders can come up with new rules everyday and are not held accountable by their members, but yet ... we enjoy using their buildings to cast our vote. ...It´s symbolic for the attitude in the country: "We really don´t want anything to do with you, but we would be glad to take advantage of your presence"Quoteeppur_se_muova Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 AMResponse to Original message37. They are big, EMPTY buildings which sit UNUSED six days a week. All the energy to heat and cool them is generating greenhouse gases for Jeebuz.
For the last eight years, I've been voting in a Jewish Temple.Oh Noes!!!! I always felt like I was being influenced by some unseen force while standing in line next to their bake sale table full of Challah bread.On a serious note, I'm really starting to love that OPERATIONMINDCRIME.
