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But I would like your input too as to what you like.

I will soon have my 2nd Wise 60 serving bucket. The first was general entrees, this will be meat and rice.
After this I will be focusing on canned food, especially since I read that Hormel chili will last indefinitely as long as the seal is not broken.

I got one emergency ration bar for a taste test. its a 1200 calorie bar supposed to last you all day. The company is mainstay. I've not read many good reviews of these bars but I will get a 3 day supply for a bug out kit.

I've ordered a couple of #10 cans from Mountain House for a taste test. one is chicken and rice and the other is ground beef. Most importantly...have any of you tried these products?

I'm thinking I need to diversify my stock. my goal at the moment is to survive an interruption, not a total collapse...A private home is what is needed. I'm in an apartment.

The good news is All the supplies I've rcvd have come in boxes marked, Amazon.com. So not even my manager knows about this stock of mine.

Camping gear is being built up too. I have a backpackers mess kit, two Esbit stoves with the solid fuel tabs, a water purifier with two back up filters. Purification tabs. waterproof matches, real basic stuff.
I still don't have a backpack yet. Hopefully by fall I will OK for a few months if I need to.

Oh and does anyone know about bulk storage of rice? Do I just need to buy a bag and forget it, or do I need a special container?

Hopefully by this weekend I will have a few taste tests for you. The ground beef is what I'm worried about. But I will let you know.
***** and again, I would like to know what you have tried and like.

 

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 04:13:47 AM »
But I would like your input too as to what you like.

I will soon have my 2nd Wise 60 serving bucket. The first was general entrees, this will be meat and rice.
After this I will be focusing on canned food, especially since I read that Hormel chili will last indefinitely as long as the seal is not broken.

I got one emergency ration bar for a taste test. its a 1200 calorie bar supposed to last you all day. The company is mainstay. I've not read many good reviews of these bars but I will get a 3 day supply for a bug out kit.

I've ordered a couple of #10 cans from Mountain House for a taste test. one is chicken and rice and the other is ground beef. Most importantly...have any of you tried these products?

I'm thinking I need to diversify my stock. my goal at the moment is to survive an interruption, not a total collapse...A private home is what is needed. I'm in an apartment.

The good news is All the supplies I've rcvd have come in boxes marked, Amazon.com. So not even my manager knows about this stock of mine.

Camping gear is being built up too. I have a backpackers mess kit, two Esbit stoves with the solid fuel tabs, a water purifier with two back up filters. Purification tabs. waterproof matches, real basic stuff.
I still don't have a backpack yet. Hopefully by fall I will OK for a few months if I need to.

Oh and does anyone know about bulk storage of rice? Do I just need to buy a bag and forget it, or do I need a special container?

Hopefully by this weekend I will have a few taste tests for you. The ground beef is what I'm worried about. But I will let you know.
***** and again, I would like to know what you have tried and like.

 

If I were you, I'd store any bulk rice inside food-grade plastic buckets.  Grain beetles will find their way into your apartment.  They did into mine, and I had to toss 20 pounds of the stuff.  I was not pleased, but it was a valuable lesson.
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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 05:38:55 AM »
I try to shy away from canned food - or at least the pre-made meal type of canned food. I get component foods like tomato , tinned fish and chicken , noodles , mixed veg and so on. It gives me somewhat more flexibility with what meals I can prepare. Not to mention that I've yet to encounter a canned meal that was a pleasure to eat.

That said - I've still got a good 4 doz canned meals in the cupboard. I used to pick one up every week with my groceries with the intention of rotating the older stock but can't bring myself to actually eat that crap so the pile grew until the point it's at now.

The freeze dried meals - make sure to stir them really well when adding the boiled water. I tested a couple of them out on my last fishing trip and didn't do that properly - ended up with a layer of dry crispy crap on the bottom of the packet. The taste still left a lot to be desired - and the salt content was nearly too much to stomach.

If you want a useful device - get one of the little single burner campstoves - they run on cans of butane that are about aerosol sized and are excellent devices. They retail here for circa $20 and you can get a 6pack of gas for about the same. One can of gas will last far longer than a packet of the hexamine fuel tabs, they are adjustable and you can use your regular cookware on them. The solid fuel things are a bit of a pain , impart that lovely hexamine taste and tend to burn a hole in whatever they're sitting on.

With rice - I'd break it up into lb or 2lb vac packed bags and then store them inside a airtight food-grade plastic container - preferably one with a screwtop.

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 08:45:56 AM »
Taste test: Mainstay emergency ration bar 1200 calorie bar.
(for strenuous activity like bugging out, its suggested to go for the 3600 calorie bar)

 This is standard issue for lifeboats. It stores in all temps and doesn't take a lot of room.
The bar is individually wrapped, and has three breakaway pieces. It looks like dough or fudge. light tan in color.
The expiration date was April 2017. This is vitamin enriched

BREAKFAST.
I broke off a piece/hunk and have nibbled about a third of it. It may look like dough, but it has the consistency of a cookie. It has a light lemon bar flavor. Slightly sweet. Its grainy, but doesn't make me thirsty. (I do have a 32 oz iced tea)

My goal is to see if this piece will last me until lunch. I'm down to half now and I don't feel very hungry at the moment. Its not bad, nor is it great, but this is an emergency source after all. But I think I'll be backing a few pouches if freeze dried meals in my bug out kit to supplement the bars. 

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 08:52:25 AM »
http://stilltasty.com/
This site should be a favorite in ever prepper's computer.
According to this, unopened, uncooked white rice will store indefinitely in pantry, fridge or freezer.
So now i need a good container and maybe an oxygen absorber.

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 10:58:19 AM »
But I would like your input too as to what you like.

I will soon have my 2nd Wise 60 serving bucket. The first was general entrees, this will be meat and rice.
After this I will be focusing on canned food, especially since I read that Hormel chili will last indefinitely as long as the seal is not broken.

I got one emergency ration bar for a taste test. its a 1200 calorie bar supposed to last you all day. The company is mainstay. I've not read many good reviews of these bars but I will get a 3 day supply for a bug out kit.

I've ordered a couple of #10 cans from Mountain House for a taste test. one is chicken and rice and the other is ground beef. Most importantly...have any of you tried these products?

I'm thinking I need to diversify my stock. my goal at the moment is to survive an interruption, not a total collapse...A private home is what is needed. I'm in an apartment.

The good news is All the supplies I've rcvd have come in boxes marked, Amazon.com. So not even my manager knows about this stock of mine.

Camping gear is being built up too. I have a backpackers mess kit, two Esbit stoves with the solid fuel tabs, a water purifier with two back up filters. Purification tabs. waterproof matches, real basic stuff.
I still don't have a backpack yet. Hopefully by fall I will OK for a few months if I need to.

Oh and does anyone know about bulk storage of rice? Do I just need to buy a bag and forget it, or do I need a special container?

Hopefully by this weekend I will have a few taste tests for you. The ground beef is what I'm worried about. But I will let you know.
***** and again, I would like to know what you have tried and like.

 

You had better check with the Old Man in the Cave before using them, though...


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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 12:09:55 PM »
freedumb...that reference is lost on me. It's prbably a movie, but I'm just not sure...


OK, what do y'all think of this? http://www.amazon.com/Case-Cans-Canned-Grain-White/dp/B005IPV646/ref=pd_sim_sbs_gro_1
Canned dry rice, already vacuum sealed, smaller containers.

Ya know maybe I really need a prepper forum to check on this stuff with.

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 12:52:17 PM »
Mr Mann, I would recommend you look into Pleasant Hill Grain.  We bought our canned meat from them & it is outstanding especially the pork.  They also have a test pack so you can check them out.  We have also bought other products from them & service & quality are great.

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 04:35:58 PM »
Whole wheat nuts will last forever in a sealed container. You just need a mill to make flour. I have tried a few of the cheap hand crank mills. The best thing I could make with that was a bran muffin. Working on getting a better mill.
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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 05:16:29 PM »
Placing Dry Ice in the bottom of a dry food storage container is a very economical way to fumigate and store dry goods for an extended amount of time. Make sure the Dry Ice is not frost covered, as that will add moisture. Put one quarter pound of Dry Ice per five-gallon storage container in the bottom and then pour in the dry food. As the Dry Ice sublimates it replaces the oxygen in the container with CO2. Leave the lid on but not tightly sealed until the Dry Ice completely sublimates. (About 5-6 hours) Then snap the lid tight. Without oxygen neither bugs nor bacteria can grow. This process is good for seeds, grains, legumes, flower, powdered milk, etc
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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 07:06:02 PM »
Mr Mann, I would recommend you look into Pleasant Hill Grain.  We bought our canned meat from them & it is outstanding especially the pork.  They also have a test pack so you can check them out.  We have also bought other products from them & service & quality are great.

I'm glad you mentioned that. I checked out the site, and they are a supplier to amazon.com as well! So I ordered a test can of freeze dried ground beef. Gonna taste test that can out in a number of ways, including mixing with spaghetti sauce.

I also got two #10 cans of Mountain House rice and chicken. I remember loving that when I was camping in AZ.
I was gonna open one to test, but I'm getting greedy and its going to be stored. I like the stamp on the bottom, best if used by March 2037. I did order a single package from Mountain House for a test.


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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 07:11:25 PM »
I'm glad you mentioned that. I checked out the site, and they are a supplier to amazon.com as well! So I ordered a test can of freeze dried ground beef. Gonna taste test that can out in a number of ways, including mixing with spaghetti sauce.

I also got two #10 cans of Mountain House rice and chicken. I remember loving that when I was camping in AZ.
I was gonna open one to test, but I'm getting greedy and its going to be stored. I like the stamp on the bottom, best if used by March 2037. I did order a single package from Mountain House for a test.


Never tried the freeze dried meat. I was talking about their canned "whole" meat.  We did buy some of their freeze dried veges & milk (several sites say their milk is the best).

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 07:15:33 PM »
Never tried the freeze dried meat. I was talking about their canned "whole" meat.  We did buy some of their freeze dried veges & milk (several sites say their milk is the best).
Hmmm. Their canned milk is best? I better consult nadin on that one.

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 07:18:40 PM »
Hmmm. Their canned milk is best? I better consult nadin on that one.

Good point, I will, of course, defer to her. We also got a lot of canned eggs & hashbrowns & such.

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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2012, 07:40:25 PM »
WAIT! I was wrong. It was Mountain House #10 can of freeze dried ground beef.  Silly Mannn, Trix are for kids.
(just going over my Amazon order. It arrives tomorrow.)

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2012, 08:13:11 PM »
WAIT! I was wrong. It was Mountain House #10 can of freeze dried ground beef.  Silly Mannn, Trix are for kids.
(just going over my Amazon order. It arrives tomorrow.)

Fun project. when you go to the grocery store pick up some bags of dried beans, pinto, black eyed peas , whole peas, Lima beans, navy beans or any kind of kidney beans.

Take about a dozen out of the pack, soak them in water over night drain them and let dry a day or so. Soak them for just a few minutes, drain and by the 3 rd day the suckers have sprouted.  They will have these little white tales growing out of them.

Now if you have no yard or garden, get a 2-5  gallon bucket and throw the dudes in half way, cover with a few inches of soil and water every day. 

I tried this with black eyed peas and have a bucket full of them growing every day on my back porch.   

Buying dried beans will feed you tomorrow when cooked, when just a few are planted they will feed  you in the future.

All the food you buy for an emergency will be eaten up in time,   take some time to take a few beans out , scatter them about and have food in the future.

I am wondering about dried corn, if it can also be hydrated and planted  in the right season.



 

 

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2012, 08:19:57 PM »
Fun project. when you go to the grocery store pick up some bags of dried beans, pinto, black eyed peas , whole peas, Lima beans, navy beans or any kind of kidney beans.

Take about a dozen out of the pack, soak them in water over night drain them and let dry a day or so. Soak them for just a few minutes, drain and by the 3 rd day the suckers have sprouted.  They will have these little white tales growing out of them.

Now if you have no yard or garden, get a 2-5  gallon bucket and throw the dudes in half way, cover with a few inches of soil and water every day. 

I tried this with black eyed peas and have a bucket full of them growing every day on my back porch.   

Buying dried beans will feed you tomorrow when cooked, when just a few are planted they will feed  you in the future.

All the food you buy for an emergency will be eaten up in time,   take some time to take a few beans out , scatter them about and have food in the future.

I am wondering about dried corn, if it can also be hydrated and planted  in the right season.



 

 

It's less trouble to by the seed beans.

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2012, 06:28:56 PM »
It's less trouble to by the seed beans.

True but more expensive and some of the packets say the beans are to be planted not consumed.  I would guess the seed beans and corn have been treated with some kind of anti fungus stuff.

The eatable beans will last years when vacuum packed.  I have never counted how many in a 16 oz. bag but when I make a bean dish, taking out a dozen or more and sprouting them is fun and the possibility's are endless.

This time of the year the dried beans, peas and corn go on sale----80+ cents a pound.    Weird little buggers, if I sprout them in the fall in a good size pot, came fall I just bring them inside and they grow like weeds in a sunny window.

I am going to try to sprout corn next, I found the last time I grew whole dried peas and brought them in my cats ate them all up before they could produce pods. 

Oh yes couple of years ago I took half a bag of dried Pinto beans, put them in the blender and turned them into a kind of meal.  Vaccum packed them and forgot all about them.   Cleaning out cupboards months later I came across them and dumped them into boiling water, turned off the stove for an hour or so, then into a crock pot with some ham and spices.    Delicious, thick and with bread and butter, took the chill off when it got down to freezing outside.   

 

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 07:31:46 PM »
I live in an apartment. No garden for me, Vesta.
 If I did want a garden, I would spend the $30 bucks and buy heirloom seeds from amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Seed-Vault-Easy---grow/dp/B0051OA7QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342744571&sr=8-1&keywords=heirloom+seeds

Pretty good price for non-hybrid seeds

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2012, 10:59:48 PM »
I live in an apartment. No garden for me, Vesta.
 If I did want a garden, I would spend the $30 bucks and buy heirloom seeds from amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Seed-Vault-Easy---grow/dp/B0051OA7QC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342744571&sr=8-1&keywords=heirloom+seeds

Pretty good price for non-hybrid seeds

Watch out...there have been some grifters out there selling crap as non-hybrid.

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2012, 06:00:54 AM »
TASTE TEST:
Wise Cheesy Ground Beef: Its a packet from the Wise 60 serving meat and poultry supply..
It comes in a bucket all sealed up. All the servings are in mylar packets.
I followed the directions and it came out fine. tasted like a standard cheese burger without the bun,
serving size was a bit small. You will need a bowl to mix these servings in as the package did not have a bottom to stand up in.

Mountain house Rice and chicken #10 can. Turned out great. But I liked these when I was backpacking too!
Shake the can to mix well, and one cup to 2/3 cup of water. I used cold water on purpose, and nuked the finished product for a minute-didn't make all that much. Ended up eating 2 separate servings.
---> The rice and chicken had settled to where it was possible to just add the proper water to the can itself to make the whole thing at once.

Tomorrow I will try the Mountain house #10 can of ground beef.

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Re: I'll be testing some freeze dried food soon. Food storage questions.
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2012, 08:52:01 AM »
TASTE TEST:
Wise Cheesy Ground Beef: Its a packet from the Wise 60 serving meat and poultry supply..
It comes in a bucket all sealed up. All the servings are in mylar packets.
I followed the directions and it came out fine. tasted like a standard cheese burger without the bun,
serving size was a bit small. You will need a bowl to mix these servings in as the package did not have a bottom to stand up in.

Mountain house Rice and chicken #10 can. Turned out great. But I liked these when I was backpacking too!
Shake the can to mix well, and one cup to 2/3 cup of water. I used cold water on purpose, and nuked the finished product for a minute-didn't make all that much. Ended up eating 2 separate servings.
---> The rice and chicken had settled to where it was possible to just add the proper water to the can itself to make the whole thing at once.

Tomorrow I will try the Mountain house #10 can of ground beef.

Check out the sites on the web on how to dehydrate your own food, much cheaper and lots of fun.  Some of the Prepper sites have all kinds of videos showing you step by step how to save a fortune if you DIY.

A controversy about what is better to dehydrate raw or cooked meat has been going on for some time.   I find that left overs taste better then raw and are safer also. Watch the sales for those frozen juices, they make wonderful fruit roll ups.  If you have never had dehydrated water Mellon slices you take one bite and may not want fresh again,  so sweet like candy.

I have checked the prices of the pre packaged food and darn some is a big time rip of.  You end up paying per oz for say dried beef stew about 8 bucks for a small package, 8 oz.   Left over dried beef stew including the gravy  per quart,costs about $1.00 including the cost of the vaccum sealed bags.

One more tip, when you buy those 3-4 month supply of food, for $800 bucks, you are charged for rice and beans the same price as the meats per pound.   Darn if I want to pay $6.00 a pound for the dried beans I can get for less then a buck at the grocery stores.







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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2012, 06:10:44 PM »
Yeah I saw that, but i'm not out to assemble several years worth of food, just enough to survive for a few months. Purchased stuff is way better than hours of work in a small apartment. and its portable too.

If I had a home I could play full out survivalist. Better yet, I should have married a farm gal who knows canning.
But I'm not psychic enough to foretell when its all gonna hit the fan. I will likely stumble into the realization at the last minute.

Living alone in an apartment, I'm pretty sure maintenance will search/loot my place when i am gone. These freeze dried packets can be hidden in a lot of places. A rental storage unit might be the ticket. I certainly won't be doing a whole lot of aromatic cooking in such a crisis, cold water can reconstitute a meal just as good as boiling water. I'm stocking up on rice instead of wheat kernels for just that reason, baking bread is a "Come and get it" beacon for anyone with a nose.

I'm thinking of getting a bean bag chair just to hide my freeze dried stash.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2012, 05:26:17 AM »
Coincidentally, here's a review on a survival site I frequent:

http://modernsurvivalonline.com/taste-test-gofoods-western-potato-chowder/
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2012, 07:20:44 AM »
Yeah I saw that, but i'm not out to assemble several years worth of food, just enough to survive for a few months. Purchased stuff is way better than hours of work in a small apartment. and its portable too.

If I had a home I could play full out survivalist. Better yet, I should have married a farm gal who knows canning.
But I'm not psychic enough to foretell when its all gonna hit the fan. I will likely stumble into the realization at the last minute.

Living alone in an apartment, I'm pretty sure maintenance will search/loot my place when i am gone. These freeze dried packets can be hidden in a lot of places. A rental storage unit might be the ticket. I certainly won't be doing a whole lot of aromatic cooking in such a crisis, cold water can reconstitute a meal just as good as boiling water. I'm stocking up on rice instead of wheat kernels for just that reason, baking bread is a "Come and get it" beacon for anyone with a nose.

I'm thinking of getting a bean bag chair just to hide my freeze dried stash.


Don't forget to keep a hand hammered wok and stand on hand.   In a pinch when no electricity one can cook anything in these baby's. If you have dehydrated food and no way to cook it the food is useless.

Many campers I know use the Wok as their only pan, I met a woman baking bread in one. Her family had to dig a small fire pit, thrown in dead wood and when the flames died down she put the stand into the hot ashes and could boil water, fry, bake, you name it.   To clean the Wok she turned it upside down over the stand and the fire cleaned the pot.   No dishes or utensils, they ate with fingers from the Wok itself. 

You have a small apartment, a small dehydrator and a vaccum food saver takes up little room, can be stored under a bed or sofa when not in use.     As far as time preparing the food, much can be placed in a dehydrator at night and forget about it until the next day as it will take a day or so to dry timing depending on the food.

If you have just 2 hours a week for hands on drying, preparation and packageing, in 4-6 weeks you can put up a month or so of food.

At this time I have Water Mellon drying, I did salt the Mellon as it seems to boost the sweetness, I do not rehydrate the Mellon, eat like beef jerkey.

Next project will be drying left over fried rice and left over take out Chinese food.