Nadine, just take your ass back to Mexico for good (nadin gets it, 05-10)

[Vagabond]

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Wed May 9, 2012, 04:19 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore


 And the next step should be a complete separation
of marriage from the churches, synagogues and other religious institutions, including the FSM.

You want to marry... no matter what your sexual orientation... the one the state will recognize... at city hall. or at home with a JUDGE or other representative of the STATE. What in other places around the world is called a civil marriage, not what passes for one here. And if you want to be married in a church, synagogue, what have you... fine... AFTER the state marries you... and the religious marriage has zero standing before the state. Nor are clergy any longer authorized by the state to marry you.

This also means a complete separation of this civil function from the religious function.

I expect a lot of buts, but before you do, the reason why church members still do it is because county judges did not get often to isolated towns during the frontier years... methinks we have breached that problem, just a thought.

Oh and before screams come, read how this works in OTHER COUNTRIES with a real tough separation of church and state.

Please.

Oh and state rights is code for suppression of civil rights.  

Oh, how about because that's the way we like it.  We can get married before the judge or the justice of the peace, who might even utter a prayer before the ceremony (horrors!)  We can get married by whomever they state has recognized to sign the document.  You like the way the old country does things?  GO BACK!

to notadmblnd (Reply #1)
Wed May 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. But your clergy still has the authority to say those famous words

under the authority of the state of I declare you husband and wife. This is what needs to be removed, period.

That is the final step.

How about we remove the state's authority?  We could do that just as easy.  That wouldn't suit your red diaper ass, would it?

Response to derby378 (Reply #7)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:06 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

14. And that can still happen

I know more about Jewish ceremonies and this done in Mexico where the Justice of the Peace marries you before the state on Tuesday and the Rabbi Saturday night or Sunday matters little. To the extremely religious folks, yup, we have them... consecration is also done at the Temple... before elders. go ahead, EWWW.  

I don't care how they do things in that shithole you call Mexico.   I do care that you always talk about how the old country is so superior.  GO HOME!

MadHound (Reply #10)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:04 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

12. Your civil ceremony could be conducted under a wide open sky

and why? There are many reasons... that are well beyond what people understand here. It is like when I am told Obama is a socialist... well no, not really.

Removing this completely from religious leaders takes some of their power away.  

Well do try to educate us poor ignorant benighted gringos.  Actually we understand all too well.  You are holding Mexico, seriously MEXICO, as some beacon that we should emulate.  GO HOME!

MadHound (Reply #20)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:36 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

22. I guess Mexicans, who is your closest neighbor to practice this

are not religious? This will come as news to them... Indeed it will, in ways you have no idea. And yes Mexico is actually MORE religious than the United States... but they do practice a strict separation of church and state. It might be a surprise to you, we don't.

Priests, Rabies, Imams and left handed widgets stil practice very religious ceremonies, following each and all strictures of their respective faiths. They just don't say the magic words.

I guess you really have no idea how this works.

It is time for people to expand their horizons.

This falls in the category, quite honestly, of the Presiden is a damn socialist, communist, fascist...

Really.

Have a good day.  
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Oh, really! I'll give you this.  Mexicans are a religous people.  A religous people that have suffered under a kleptocratic government operating under a socialist constitution that waged war against religion and god.  What have they got for that?  Quite frankly, a country that is good to be from.  This what you think we should be.  I don't care where you've been or what you've done Nadine, if you think that Mexico deserves emulation by the United States, then GTFO!

madinmaryland (Reply #21)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:39 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

24. It happens around the world, outside our borders, regularly

and nobody gets really hurt... or pained over it.

But yes, that is essentially how this works in more places than you care to imagine.  

Who cares?

Johonny (Reply #26)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:00 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,692 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

30. Dd not say scrap the religious part

Just remove the civil authority from your religious leader.  
Reply

You're fellow DUmmies think you're an idiot.  Isn't it about time to delete the thread?

nadinbrzezinski (Reply #30)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:02 PM
 zappaman (4,632 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

32. You should re-read your OP then.

Although I wouldn't be shocked if even YOU didn't understand half the things you post!

She understands muy bueno!  America bad, Mexico good!

sufrommich (Reply #23)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:01 PM
 nadinbrzezinski (104,692 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

31. Exactly, but the civil ceremony shoud be completely separate.

I tell you what Nadine.  GO HOME!  Maybe you can find some peons that will let you spread your infinite wisdom to them.  It is neither needed nor desired here.

[obumazombie]

Isn't there 6 meters of hail with nadin's name on it waiting for her in Mexico ?

[Mr Mannn]

Typical lib logic. If the people do not vote your way, then libs must punish the people.

Hey, DU! That is not how it works in a democracy. Here the people dictate to YOU.

Sore losers. 31 states lost.

[USA4ME]

nadinbrzezinski

You want to marry... no matter what your sexual orientation...

That's not how it works.  Marriage was ordained by God and is between a male and a female.  Outside of that definition, there is no marriage.  A gov't can call same sex unions "marriage," but it's not, nor will it ever be.  In fact, the proper term for it would be "fornication" because it's a sexual union between two individuals who don't have the right to have sexual relations.

Only libs can take the simple and try to make it complex.  Changing the definition of "marriage" won't work.  You still have to answer for it eventually, and it won't be pretty for you.

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[formerlurker]

Uh Nads, it doesn't matter a flying fig who performs the ceremony doll.    It's the LICENSE to marry that matters.   Mmmmkay? 

[Doc Savage]

I guess when Massachussetts recognizes my CCP from Kansas, I will recongnize their civil unions.  At least I have the 2nd amendment on my side...

[franksolich]

[GOBUCKS]

Priests, Rabies, Imams and left handed widgets stil practice very religious ceremonies, following each and all strictures of their respective faiths. They just don't say the magic words.

I thought the nutcase was Jewish.

[franksolich]

I thought the nutcase was Jewish.

A lapsed one.

The deal is, nadin thinks she's smarter than, better than, all those who came before her, and so discarded the faith that had sustained and nourished them throughout the centuries.

Rather presumptuous of her to think so, and in a way she's paying for it.

No one who disavows his specific ethnic, cultural, or spiritual forebears is ever happy, because such disavowal is ultimately the disavowal of one's own self.

[BEG]

These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish...    





On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?

[thundley4]

These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish...    





On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?

She isn't alone in that picture. She is with all of her friends. (imaginary ones)

[ChuckJ]

I thought the nutcase was Jewish.

Even jewish folks can get rabies. Of course I pity the rabid animal that would bite her and make the transfer.

[GOBUCKS]

Not exactly what you'd call an American Jewish Princess.

[obumazombie]

Not exactly what you'd call an American Jewish Princess.

Jewish American Pachyderm ?

[franksolich]

These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish...    

On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?

The picture's shown as a public service, for the good of humanity.

If nadin were of sweet temperament, of mellow personality, of beautiful humility, of undying patience, one would "see" the subject differently, all the bad points minimized or obliterated entirely.

You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body.  These things influence the way one's eyes see you.

nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.

[BattleHymn]

Somewhere in Mexico there is a blanket with a hole in it that is missing your head poking through it, Nads. 

Why don't you go there and occupy it?

[BEG]

The picture's shown as a public service, for the good of humanity.

If nadin were of sweet temperament, of mellow personality, of beautiful humility, of undying patience, one would "see" the subject differently, all the bad points minimized or obliterated entirely.

You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body.  These things influence the way one's eyes see you.

nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.

What a sweet comment, to me.    Thanks Frank! 

[diesel driver]

That's not how it works.  Marriage was ordained by God and is between a male and a female.  Outside of that definition, there is no marriage.  A gov't can call same sex unions "marriage," but it's not, nor will it ever be.  In fact, the proper term for it would be "fornication" because it's a sexual union between two individuals who don't have the right to have sexual relations.

Only libs can take the simple and try to make it complex.  Changing the definition of "marriage" won't work.  You still have to answer for it eventually, and it won't be pretty for you.

.

Not to mention that churches (or whatever religion is recognized/sanctioned  by the state) have been performing marriages since FOREVER!   

[USA4ME]

You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body.

What a sweet comment, to me.    Thanks Frank! 

Frank's a nice guy.

For the rest of us, that other stuff is OK, but the "not your body" line doesn't apply.  In fact, the "body" part is the most important.

Thank you and have a wonderful evening.

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[GOBUCKS]

nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.

In both physique and personality, she's the DUmp's Jabba the Hutt.

[Skul]

Nadine, just take your ass back to Mexico for good.

You realize of course...it will take a few trips, right? 

[AprilRazz]

That guy is kind of creepy looking.

Like they say, beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.

[Wineslob]

Damn, Frank hit on BEG. I DON"T BLAME HIM.     

[Karin]

Wait a minute:

To the extremely religious folks, yup, we have them... consecration is also done at the Temple... before elders. go ahead, EWWW.

Did Nadin just confuse "consummate" and "consecrate?"

   Before the elders....   Does she really believe that? 

[GOBUCKS]

Wait a minute:

Did Nadin just confuse "consummate" and "consecrate?"

   Before the elders....   Does she really believe that? 

She's an expert on the Warren Jeffs cult.

Wait...did you just put "nadin" and "consummate" in the same sentence?