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« on: April 28, 2008, 11:18:24 AM »
I thought this would be a good one to bring over, even though I've been told that not everyone wants to share Charlie Daniels soapbox.  But some do, so here it is.

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If you're not at least somewhat familiar with the Bible the things I am writing in this column will probably not make a lot of sense to you.

I don't claim to be a learned Bible scholar and I'm certainly not a prophet but what I write is my humble opinion based on my reading of God's Holy Word and the writings of people whose knowledge and interpretation of the Bible I respect.

There is a lot of talk these days about a one-world government. And indeed some day there will be. One it will be portrayed as Shangri La and will make so much sense to the secular world that they'll swallow it hook line and sinker.

The leader of this government will appear on the scene as a genius, a problem solver the likes of which this planet has never seen, charismatic, dynamic, attractive, a man with all the answers to world peace, world plenty, the energy problem, hunger, disease and all the myriad afflictions of mankind.

I don't believe this will happen overnight, I don't think he will appear on the evening news and declare himself the leader of the world. But the things he proposes are going to sound so wonderful to a horribly troubled planet that it will turn to him giving over the sovereign power of nations into his hand.

He will impose a cashless society. You won't need to carry cash anymore so nobody can steal it from you, you won't be able to overspend your credit limit and go into debt because every transaction you make will be immediately noted and the money, which you never see, is deducted from your account by a central mega supercomputer.

And how do you access this utopian existence? Simple, you just have a mark put into your hand or on your forehead which, in my opinion will be a microchip embedded under the skin which holds
all your personal history and lets the government know every transaction and your whereabouts 24/7.

That means if you're wanted by the law they can locate and arrest you. And you can't slip across international borders and hide in another country, because there won't be any international borders.

Sounds like a sensible, orderly society doesn't it? Well for those who accept the computer chip in their hand or head, it will be for three and one half years. Those without it can't buy anything or sell anything and will eventually be put to death for not accepting the mark.

The problem with the chip or the mark is that it is a one-way ticket to an eternity in hell. It means that you've completely turned your back on God and given your allegiance and your soul to the prince of darkness.

I'm sure that by now most of you know that I'm talking about the mark of the beast and the seven-year reign of the antichrist, three and a half years of peace and three and a half years of hell on earth.

The more chaos, the more crime, the more godlessness the world plunges into the more it sets the stage for the antichrist, who will step on the world stage in a time of dire and global crisis and present answers to impossible questions and solutions to unsolvable problems that will simply astound the whole earth.

He will be hailed as the one man who can bring peace and prosperity to the earth, a benevolent, ends all, be all global leader who will do away with war and hunger.

At the end of three and a half years he will walk into a temple in Israel and declare himself to be Almighty God and all hell will break loose. Slaughter and chaos will be totally unprecedented with vast numbers of people destroyed and unimaginable destruction of the earth. From then on there will never be another day of peace on earth until the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The first time I heard about the Book of Revelation and the antichrist I was very young and it was impossible for even the most astute Bible scholar to figure out. But as time has gone by and knowledge and technology have exponentially increased the pieces have fallen in place and the time of the antichrist could happen very soon.

The antichrist could well be alive somewhere on planet earth
preparing for the day of his power and he will be incredibly powerful.

I'm thankful that the God I serve is infinitely more powerful.

Pray for our troops

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

April 21, 2008

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Re: 666
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 11:22:51 AM »
Thanks and H5!
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 12:07:33 PM »
Thomas Jefferson's opinion of Revelations...

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No man on earth has less taste or talent for criticism than myself, and least and last of all should I undertake to criticise works on the Apocalypse. It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it, and I then considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. I was, therefore, well pleased to see, in your first proof sheet, that it was said to be not the production of St. John, but of Cerinthus, a century after the death of that apostle. Yet the change of the author's name does not lessen the extravagances of the composition; and come they from whomsoever they may, I cannot so far respect them as to consider them as an allegorical narrative of events, past or subsequent. There is not coherence enough in them to countenance any suite of rational ideas. You will judge, therefore, from this how impossible I think it that either your explanation, or that of any man in "the heavens above, or on the earth beneath," can be a correct one. What has no meaning admits no explanation; and pardon me if I say, with the candor of friendship, that I think your time too valuable, and your understanding of too high an order, to be wasted on these paralogisms. You will perceive, I hope, also, that I do not consider them as revelations of the Supreme Being, whom I would not so far blaspheme as to impute to Him a pretension of revelation, couched at the same time in terms which, He would know, were never to be understood by those to whom they were addressed. In the candor of these observations, I hope you will see proofs of the confidence, esteem and respect which I truly entertain for you.

http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff16.htm

Sorry, Charlie. I'm going with Thomas Jefferson on this one.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 12:11:35 PM »
Thomas Jefferson's opinion of Revelations...

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No man on earth has less taste or talent for criticism than myself, and least and last of all should I undertake to criticise works on the Apocalypse. It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it, and I then considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. I was, therefore, well pleased to see, in your first proof sheet, that it was said to be not the production of St. John, but of Cerinthus, a century after the death of that apostle. Yet the change of the author's name does not lessen the extravagances of the composition; and come they from whomsoever they may, I cannot so far respect them as to consider them as an allegorical narrative of events, past or subsequent. There is not coherence enough in them to countenance any suite of rational ideas. You will judge, therefore, from this how impossible I think it that either your explanation, or that of any man in "the heavens above, or on the earth beneath," can be a correct one. What has no meaning admits no explanation; and pardon me if I say, with the candor of friendship, that I think your time too valuable, and your understanding of too high an order, to be wasted on these paralogisms. You will perceive, I hope, also, that I do not consider them as revelations of the Supreme Being, whom I would not so far blaspheme as to impute to Him a pretension of revelation, couched at the same time in terms which, He would know, were never to be understood by those to whom they were addressed. In the candor of these observations, I hope you will see proofs of the confidence, esteem and respect which I truly entertain for you.

http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff16.htm

Sorry, Charlie. I'm going with Thomas Jefferson on this one.

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If everyone believed it, then it would never happen.  It can't be true in your liberal eyes because according to the creator of the universe, the end time is your liberal paradise.  And there was no registered Republican listed as the author.
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Re: 666
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 12:24:23 PM »
If everyone believed it, then it would never happen.  It can't be true in your liberal eyes because according to the creator of the universe, the end time is your liberal paradise.  And there was no registered Republican listed as the author.

I find your abundance of faith... disturbing.
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Re: 666
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 12:27:10 PM »
I find your abundance of faith... disturbing.

As an agnostic/atheist why would you care.....

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 12:32:32 PM »
If everyone believed it, then it would never happen.  It can't be true in your liberal eyes because according to the creator of the universe, the end time is your liberal paradise.  And there was no registered Republican listed as the author.

I find your abundance of faith... disturbing.
I find your inability to let a religious discussion pass you by without having to chime in with you atheist, liberal bullshit....... pathetic.
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Re: 666
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 12:44:56 PM »
I find your inability to let a religious discussion pass you by without having to chime in with you atheist, liberal bullshit....... pathetic.

I haven't brought my atheistic perspective into this thread. I think that most devout believers reject the superstitious fear, paranoia, and zealotry expressed in the Charlie Daniels piece you posted. Then again, maybe not.
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Re: 666
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 12:47:19 PM »
As an agnostic/atheist why would you care.....

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Re: 666
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 12:49:41 PM »
As an agnostic/atheist why would you care.....

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One need not care about something to have an opinion on it.

Use of the word "disturbing" implies an emotional response, does it not?

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Re: 666
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 12:50:43 PM »
As an agnostic/atheist why would you care.....

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One need not care about something to have an opinion on it.

Just curious:  you are an agnostic?  An atheist?  Did you go to church as a child (and if so, which religion)?
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 12:56:33 PM »
Just curious:  you are an agnostic?  An atheist?  Did you go to church as a child (and if so, which religion)?

I was brought up Catholic. I now consider myself to be an agnostic athiest.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 12:58:36 PM »
Use of the word "disturbing" implies an emotional response, does it not?

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The statement was a tongue in cheek reworking of a famous movie line.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 01:01:35 PM »
I was brought up Catholic. I now consider myself to be an agnostic athiest.

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly is an "agnostic atheist"?

How old were you when you decided that the whole God thing wasn't working out for you?  Again, just curious.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 01:06:43 PM »
At the risk of sounding ignorant, what exactly is an "agnostic atheist"?

You don't sound ignorant. Most people are justifiably confused by the term agnostic atheism. I know I was when I first heard it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

I suppose that agnostic atheism could be defined as a form of weak atheism...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_atheism

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How old were you when you decided that the whole God thing wasn't working out for you?  Again, just curious.

I gradually lost my faith in adulthood.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 01:26:43 PM »
Thank you for indulging me, TNO.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 01:53:31 PM »
Agnostic Atheism sounds like someone who wants to be an atheist, but something is just tugging them to believe that there is a being greater than man.
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 02:36:23 PM »
Agnostic Atheism sounds like someone who wants to be an atheist, but something is just tugging them to believe that there is a being greater than man.

I'm about as close to being a hard atheist as one can get without actually being one. I retain my agnosticism because I can't think of a good reason why a fallible human such as myself should embrace absolute certitude about anything let alone the unknown.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 03:06:52 PM »
Agnostic Atheism sounds like someone who wants to be an atheist, but something is just tugging them to believe that there is a being greater than man.

I'm about as close to being a hard atheist as one can get without actually being one. I retain my agnosticism because I can't think of a good reason why a fallible human such as myself should embrace absolute certitude about anything let alone the unknown.
It's a bitch, ain't it?  It just don't make sense, logically.  But something dep down inside just won't alow you to let go completely.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 03:25:56 PM »

It's a bitch, ain't it?  It just don't make sense, logically.  But something dep down inside just won't alow you to let go completely.

Just the opposite. My gut feeling tells me that I should feel absolutely certain that God does not exist. I retain my agnosticism, though, because I can't rationally justify my gut feeling that God does not exist.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 03:32:23 PM »

It's a bitch, ain't it?  It just don't make sense, logically.  But something dep down inside just won't alow you to let go completely.

Just the opposite. My gut feeling tells me that I should feel absolutely certain that God does not exist. I retain my agnosticism, though, because I can't rationally justify my gut feeling that God does not exist.
And that is called faith.  Even though you try to deny it, it's still there.
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Re: 666
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 04:42:09 PM »
What is it about the Book of Revelation that scares the shit out of the Godless? If you don't believe in God, it's just a story, right? It's silly, right? Four horsemen, a beast. Ha, Ha!

SOMEthing is tugging at them.
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He who has God lacks nothing:
God alone suffices.
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 05:51:38 PM »
What is it about the Book of Revelation that scares the shit out of the Godless? If you don't believe in God, it's just a story, right? It's silly, right? Four horsemen, a beast. Ha, Ha!

SOMEthing is tugging at them.

The Book of Revelations doesn't scare me in the least. What scares me is the possibility that a religious zealot in a position of authority might one day choose a dangerous course of action based on what some crackpot like Charlie Daniels thinks the Book of Revelations demands or foretells.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2008, 05:54:09 PM »
And yet you responded both to my post and to the OP. Hmmmm.   :whatever:


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Re: 666
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2008, 06:58:28 PM »
Eschatology is the most useless of all religious pursuits. I've moved among circles of Christians that got very wound-up about ID'ing the anti-Christ.

Why?

When he is revealed it will be because the God-ordained end is nigh. To try and prevent that is to prevent the will of God. Even the scriptures say the man of perdition shall not be revealed until He who lets, lets.

I also do not think that the end--if there be one--would come from a triumph of atheism--but the consensus that God did indeed exist but mankind choosing to reject Him regardless. It's just one bunny's opinion but it seems to accord with the calamities that have befallen those who openly rejected God throughout the balance of scripture.

BTW -  it is my understanding that the Eastern Orthodox church does not include Revelations amongst its received canon. Is this correct?
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