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Offline namvet

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crossover cars
« on: June 26, 2011, 11:22:14 AM »
im considering buying one. if you own one let me know what it is and what you think of it. 4 or 6 cyl not an issue for me yet. but I do want AWD. crossovers are very popular now. here's what im considering so far.

domestic: Jeep Compass


Chevrolet Equinox. my father N law has one. its really big in size


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foreign: Honda CRV


Toyota RAV4


so far I'm in the research stage. I've yet to test drive one. you name the maker and they all have 2 or more. 

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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 11:54:01 AM »
If you get a Jeep, get one with a 6 cylinder (straight six). That engine is almost indestructible. I had an 88 Jeep Cherokee with a straight six in it. It wasn't TRUE 4WD, but it did pretty good in the MN snowy winters. All I ever did to the engine was change the oil & the air filter. 
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 12:20:37 PM »
Quote from: Thor on June 26, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
If you get a Jeep, get one with a 6 cylinder (straight six). That engine is almost indestructible. I had an 88 Jeep Cherokee with a straight six in it. It wasn't TRUE 4WD, but it did pretty good in the MN snowy winters. All I ever did to the engine was change the oil & the air filter. 
Chrysler/Jeep doesn't offer a straight six engine on new cars any longer.  For 2012 cars, they starting using a new V6 that is supposed to be much smoother and powerful than the old engine it replaced.

They need to bring back the straight six.  Those engines are great.
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 12:38:09 PM »
all I see in the compass is 4 bangers. the grand cherokee comes in a 6 but its full time 4WD. gas mileage blows. still its a nice looking machine
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2011, 01:12:13 PM »
Quote from: namvet on June 26, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
all I see in the compass is 4 bangers. the grand Cherokee comes in a 6 but its full time 4WD. gas mileage blows. still its a nice looking machine

Dunno....I have a Grand Cherokee Limited with a 4.7L  V-8.....it will consistently deliver 21 mpg on the highway at 70 mph, and around 17 in city driving (on gasoline....deduct 5 mpg if using ethanol).  The 6-cyl. will not provide any better mileage due to the weight of the vehicle, and decidedly poorer performance.

I've never been a great fan of AWD, as opposed to FWD  (Front wheel drive), primarily due to the fact that it only gives you a very slight traction advantage on slick surfaces, and that comes at the expense of stability.. With AWD, you STILL will only have power applied to rwo wheels at a time, and in 99% of the driving conditions those two wheels will be the two with the engine mass hanging over them (i.e. FWD).  If you need to go in the snow, ice, mud, and occasionally off-road, there is no substitute for 4WD.  Modern transfer cases and drive axles really don't affect mileage nearly as much as the older designs did, 3 - 4 mpg tops.

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If you get a Jeep, get one with a 6 cylinder (straight six). That engine is almost indestructible. I had an 88 Jeep Cherokee with a straight six in it. It wasn't TRUE 4WD, but it did pretty good in the MN snowy winters. All I ever did to the engine was change the oil & the air filter.  

That engine was designed by International Harvester in 1951, for use in combines and other large farm equipment.  It was purchased by Jeep when IH stopped making motor vehicles, and farm equipment had largely changed to diesel.  It IS indestructible, it's the ONLY straight six in 70 years built with SEVEN main bearings, and a 150 psi oil pressure system.......it'll run forever........I put a quarter of a million miles on one in a company Cherokee, and it never required anything other than oil changes, and replacement of a cracked exhaust manifold.

Sadly it's gone.......replaced by a V-6 which has, so far, questionable reliability.........an "Americanization" of a Mitsubishi design.

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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 01:22:07 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on June 26, 2011, 01:12:13 PM
Dunno....I have a Grand Cherokee Limited with a 4.7L  V-8.....it will consistently deliver 21 mpg on the highway at 70 mph, and around 17 in city driving (on gasoline....deduct 5 mpg if using ethanol).  The 6-cyl. will not provide any better mileage due to the weight of the vehicle, and decidedly poorer performance.

I've never been a great fan of AWD, as oppposed to FWD  (Front wheel drive), primarily due to the fact that it only gives you a very slight traction advantage on slick surfaces, and that comes at the expense of stability.. With AWD, you STILL will only have power applied to rwo wheels at a time, and in 99% of the driving conditions those two wheels will be the two with the engine mass hanging over them (i.e. FWD).  If you need to go in the snow, ice, mud, and occasionally off-road, there is no substitute for 4WD.  Modern transfer cases and drive axles really don't affect mileage nearly as much as the older designs did, 3 - 4 mpg tops.

That engine was designed by International Harvester in 1951, for use in combines and other large farm equipment.  It was purchased by Jeep when IH stopped making motor vehicles, and farm equipment had largely changed to diesel.  It IS indestructible........I put a quarter of a million miles on one in a company Cherokee, and it never required anything other than oil changes, and replacement of a cracked exhaust manifold.

Sadly it's gone.......replaced by a V-6 which has, so far, questionable reliability.........an "Americanization" of a Mitsubishi design.

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my wife's car is AWD and she drives a fair distance to work. she claims it drives great in snow. so I'm thinking that as well. most of my driving is in town anyway. my old truck is on demand 4X4 and it runs great in snow. I used to drive it about 50 mi round trip to work every day
I don't do any off road driving. plus insurance gives a discount for AWD
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 09:42:34 AM »
The only one on that list I've driven is the RAV4 and I've found they're nice vehicles, but then again I don't hear many bad things about Toyota's either. I know someone with a new Jeep Compass and they are not all that happy with it, but I can say to much about it.


I'm looking at replacing my car within the next 2 or 3 years and I plan to get something a bit bigger. I've already decided on (go figure) a VW Tiguan.
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 09:59:13 AM »
Quote from: compaqxp on June 27, 2011, 09:42:34 AM
The only one on that list I've driven is the RAV4 and I've found they're nice vehicles, but then again I don't hear many bad things about Toyota's either. I know someone with a new Jeep Compass and they are not all that happy with it, but I can say to much about it.


I'm looking at replacing my car within the next 2 or 3 years and I plan to get something a bit bigger. I've already decided on (go figure) a VW Tiguan.

thanks for the info on the compass. that's what im looking for. car and driver mag does not rate it very good either.
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 10:53:19 AM »
Quote from: namvet on June 27, 2011, 09:59:13 AM
thanks for the info on the compass. that's what im looking for. car and driver mag does not rate it very good either.

You might want to check this out as well. 

http://www.myjeepcompass.com/forums/
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 11:19:19 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 27, 2011, 10:53:19 AM
You might want to check this out as well. 

http://www.myjeepcompass.com/forums/

thanks for the link. the power train discussion pretty much tells it all. think ill steer clear of the compass
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 11:22:09 AM »
Quote from: namvet on June 27, 2011, 11:19:19 AM
thanks for the link. the power train discussion pretty much tells it all. think ill steer clear of the compass

I find almost every car has a forum, and you can get more helpful info there. 
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 11:23:10 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 27, 2011, 11:22:09 AM
I find almost every car has a forum, and you can get more helpful info there. 

your right. im looking at forums on the other cars I selected.
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Re: crossover cars
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 11:29:02 AM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 27, 2011, 11:22:09 AM
I find almost every car has a forum, and you can get more helpful info there. 

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