Pam's Preposterous Pan-Handling Plan

[dena]

One thing I'd love to understand is what scares people so much about "touchy-feely horseshit"?

I mean, I know it's not a symbol of STRENGTH in some people's minds, but I think that's bullshit.

I think people who diss anything I've talked about here are afraid and try to hide that fear behind that kind of nonsense.

I think the same thing of liberals online who trash anything and everything conservatives say.

People are scared shitless but no one is being honest about it, and no one has the courage to figure out exactly what they're afraid of.

Of course, if you think I'm full of shit and don't mean what I say, that's a different story.  Then it would be touch-feely horseshit wrapped up in bullshit lies.

If that's the case, I don't blame you, 'cause you don't know me at all.

But if someone means what they say, I don't see why touchy-feely horseshit disturbs so many.  And since when is personal responsibility and helping people help themselves rather than rely on the government NOT a conservative value, unless that's just a bunch of hypocritical emptiness that has been spewed forth by so many.  Way too much hypocrisy from the left, right and center over the last few decades, imho.

People have lied to one another so long and lost sight of what they really mean when they say anything that they start to believe their own BS.

I think that's the gist of what I'd like to know from you guys, from anyone who would like to engage a liberal heathen.     Maybe a new thread would be helpful?  If this is a messageboard that just enjoys having pissing matches, so be it.  That's what most messageboards are about.   I personally don't have time for that.

If there's anyone here who wants to talk about anything I've written about, I'm game.  But since I'm not going to trash any other websites or members, nor talk politics, I may be useless.  And I would completely understand that and disappear with no hard feelings.



 

[dena]

Welcome Dena!

BTW, many of us here wishadoo on our own, conservatives are actually very giving people contrary to what the left says about us.

Hi, Ballygrl.  I don't doubt that at all.  And I agree that being conservative does NOT mean someone isn't compassionate or giving.  I hear you.  I'm not locked into those stereotypes at all -- at least I try not to be. 

Many people don't have a support system wherever they are; they don't live near family or friends, don't belong to a church, work from home....whatever.  Wishadoo was, in part, created to help people who feel isolated connect.  But obviously helping one another comes in many forms, and people are already doing it in many different ways.

[DumbAss Tanker]

One thing I'd love to understand is what scares people so much about "touchy-feely horseshit"?

Oh, not all of us have a problem with it, at least in its proper place.  That place NOT being in formulating foreign or domestic national, tax law and transfer payments, or any other governmental actions that reach out and touch (Or put the touch on) everyone whether they want to play or not, with the sovereign's power to forcibly compel obedience.  Some just have a certain level of crustiness to our public faces, which may or may not be like the real person, you know.    

[GOBUCKS]

unless that's just a bunch of hypocritical emptiness

 
I have to give some credit to moonbats who accurately recognize their philosophy.

I may be useless

And yet another thumbs up!

There's no "fear" of touchy-feely liberal horse shit.
Moonbats will never understand the contempt of normal people for their empty socialist claptrap.

[dena]

Oh, not all of us have a problem with it, at least in its proper place.  That place NOT being in formulating foreign or domestic national, tax law and transfer payments, or any other governmental actions that reach out and touch (Or put the touch on) everyone whether they want to play or not, with the sovereign's power to forcibly compel obedience.  Some just have a certain level of crustiness to our public faces, which may or may not be like the real person, you know.    

Understood, and I agree.  What you wrote here is how I feel about many social conservative policies.  

I think in order for me to interact here in any meaningful way, it needs to be in a section that doesn't have a political focus.

I'm not referring to politics at all here with what I've shared thus far.  In fact, my intention in being here is to try to discuss alternatives to helping this country, not via legislative means.

Maybe if you guys can view me as an entrepreneur/small business person who has never received (nor do I anticipate ever receiving) any aid or assistance of any sort from the government -- nor have I tried, btw --  rather than a progressive, that would help?  I do have opinions about politics and policies and don't feel everyone getting assistance is a freeloader (though I do think corporate welfare falls into that category many times, and there are instances of individuals playing the system to the hilt; no doubt about it).  I just personally have never applied nor received any assistance of any type and have always worked to pay the bills and come from a very blue-collar background.

BTW, the main people I know who have played the system to the hilt are family members who use all the Archie Bunker derogatory slams against welfare queens and racial stereotypes and such, yet THEY are the ones who have applied for food stamps and every type of assistance possible.

That's my personal experience.  It's hypocritical bullshit, and I'll call it out every time I see it, in family and strangers alike.

I have zero negative opinions about anyone here just because you  identify as conservative.  Beyond that, I know nothing about anyone.  So I'm kind of starting with a clean slate, but no doubt I'll form opinions soon enough based on personal interactions.

I have a thick skin, so I can take all the typical liberal/progressive/treehugger/hippie-do-gooder/welfare queen blah blah blah bashing that is thrown at me by some just because that's all they seem to know to do.  Like I said, I grew up with it.  I won't devolve into the same though, so I'll just ignore that stuff from now on.

[dena]

 
I have to give some credit to moonbats who accurately recognize their philosophy.
And yet another thumbs up!

There's no "fear" of touchy-feely liberal horse shit.
Moonbats will never understand the contempt of normal people for their empty socialist claptrap.

GOBUCKS, you're not making any sense to me.  I'm talking about personal responsibility and brainstorming ways to NOT involve the government in order to help our society, so where's the moonbat socialist/nazi/fascist/communist hypocritical spew going on there?  (Yeah, I made an assumption and threw in some of the other 'isms'). 

Have to get ready for my child's baccalaureate service.  Have a good day, everyone.

[dena]

If anyone has any interest in discussing the things I've written about so far (touchy-feely non-political, personal responsibility stuff), when I can -- maybe tomorrow -- I'll start a thread in General Discussion, if that's okay, rather than continue here.  Not sure if a newbie can start a new thread.

Anyway, what I would like to discuss has nothing to do with this DU-focused forum.

Wow, I just tried to find a waving emoticon and you have QUITE the selection!!!  LOL

Bye. 

[renewal2012]

a not uncommon scam scheme out there on the internet. Have seen a number of variants. Just an uptodate version of the hand lettered 'will work for food' signs at street corners 30 years ago.

[formerlurker]

a not uncommon scam scheme out there on the internet. Have seen a number of variants. Just an uptodate version of the hand lettered 'will work for food' signs at street corners 30 years ago.

Yeah I am thinking the same thing.

[Randy]

30 years ago? I see 'em every winter here at the local interstate off-ramp. There's lots of stories around town of folks offering work and being rudely treated for bringing up such a silly idea. 

[Chris_]

Ever since they made panhandling illegal in the city, there are more of them selling those "newspapers" than any number of 'Will Work For Food' bums I used to see.

[GCBill]

BTW, many of us here wishadoo on our own, conservatives are actually very giving people contrary to what the left says about us.

Useful and efficient assistance delivered to the truly needy with love? You monster!

Only an enormous anonymous government program involving tons of paperwork, regulations, and spending can help the 99% of American who are destitute and oppressed by those terrible awful under-taxed rich folks.

/sarcasm

[BamaMoose]

Dena,

I didn't start this thread with any ill will towards you or your efforts on Wishadoo.  I believe you have good intentions, but are a bit too trusting of some of your fellow posters on DU.  As Pam clearly shows, every charity is going to encounter some amount of fraud.  I wish you nothing but the best of luck with your efforts.  Unfortunately, it's people like Pam that make your idealistic vision unachievable.  As long as you've got scammers in the system, people are going to be reluctant to help and that ultimately hurts those that are truly in need.

If the point needs to made any clearer:

demtenjeep  (1000+ posts)     Thu Jun-02-11 09:20 PM
Original message
Hubby just gifted me with a Kindle....your experiences with it?

suggestions,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9703565

This is a fine example of someone who is so desperate they need to be begging for donations on your website.

[Evil_Conservative]

Good find, BamaMoose. 

This woman is begging for money which could be paid off in six months or less with a good payment plan.  Karma is a bitch, Pam.  I hope it screws you long and hard.

[dena]

Dena,

I didn't start this thread with any ill will towards you or your efforts on Wishadoo.  I believe you have good intentions, but are a bit too trusting of some of your fellow posters on DU.  As Pam clearly shows, every charity is going to encounter some amount of fraud.  I wish you nothing but the best of luck with your efforts.  Unfortunately, it's people like Pam that make your idealistic vision unachievable.  As long as you've got scammers in the system, people are going to be reluctant to help and that ultimately hurts those that are truly in need.

If the point needs to made any clearer:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9703565

This is a fine example of someone who is so desperate they need to be begging for donations on your website.

Hi, BamaMoose.  I know you didn't mean anything negative toward me or Wishadoo.  To be honest, I don't know the DUer in question, nor have I read through specifics here.  You guys seem to know MUCH more about other DUers than I do.  But I'm scanning over that stuff and responding to Wishadoo-related comments.

I joined in here to engage about my intention with Wishadoo, since I'm aware it's referred to as a moonbat/fascist/communist/socialist/Nazi enterprise in some circles.  LOL

Wishadoo isn't a charity (though I understand you didn't necessarily meant that literally), and it's about so much more than the Wishlist.  But, as for the Wishlist, it's where people can connect directly about what they need and have to offer, and my most sincere hope is that it WON'T always be about money.  We can help one another in many different ways.  As I wrote upthread, it's up to the community to be responsible if they choose to help someone.  They can require whatever assurance they need to feel confident whatever assistance they're offering is going to be used in the way they intend.

It's a personal matter between two people; personal responsibility comes into play on both sides.  If someone is a scammer, once more people gather and the community grows, the faster that is determined.  Even now given the little activity thus far, people contact those who have posted on the Wishlist directly and, if they don't get answers they need to feel comfortable helping, no harm, no foul. 

I understand your concern and I'm far from naive about the realities of scammers.  I've been through several versions of Wishadoo and encountered that immediately, and have taken necessary precautions.

I agree with Einstein's quote, something to the effect:  "I love Humanity...it's people I can't stand." 

I know there are asshats, liars and greedy/selfish people out there.  They're everywhere. 

I also believe that most people are good at heart, and that, given more of an opportunity, we can help one another.  Again, my hope is that we can come up with ways beyond money to do so.  I realize sometimes money is the only answer for predicaments, but we can get creative and come up with different ways of solving problems.

That takes a leap of faith, and I haven't seen much of that anywhere, quite frankly.  It has nothing to do with political ideology.  It's just the way things are right now.  We see everyone else as "the other," rather than another human being.

I may die trying to shift things in my own little way, or I may say f*ck it one day and just give up.  Who knows?  For today, I'll keep trying.

[delilahmused]

Wouldn't the Kindle money be better spent paying off those bills?

Cindie

[BEG]

Wouldn't the Kindle money be better spent paying off those bills?

Cindie

Let "her" touch those things for once ~ Celine Dion

[Randy]

Wouldn't the Kindle money be better spent paying off those bills?

Cindie

Nooo!!! Chumps are for paying the bills. The Kindle money and all the money to be spent loading it is Pammy's money, for Pammy, to benefit Pammy and Pammy alone.

[GOBUCKS]

I have to say, after reading through most of her nearly-endless website, that I fully support Wishadoo, and hope they succeed beyond their wildest dreams.

You can read forever on that site, and you will find not one shred, not one speck, not one iota of an actionable statement. There is simply nothing there but an huge mass of feelgood blather and anonymous pleas for money, most of which are better written than Pam's.

"Wishadoo! is a personal and community awakening, a social evolution."
"We're creating a new world, together."
"Wishadoo! is a one-stop grassroots gateway to connect, dream, innovate,
truly integrate and build Cooperative, Compassionate Communities."
Seriously.
They forgot to include "Change you can believe in", and "Yes, we can."
It's a community organizer's dream.
Anyway, that urban philosopher Rodney King trumped this outfit a dozen times over by simply saying, "Can't we all just get along?"
And Rodney didn't need a hundred pages of internet claptrap.

But I support them 110%. This is exactly the kind of emptyheaded feelgood rhetoric that attracts moonbats like flies to honey, and I'm sure the good people at Wishadoo are reaping the benefits of that moonbat weakness. Whenever grifters like Bev Harris or the Andyscam conspirators show up, all they have to do is shake the DUmp tree, and money comes pattering down, sometimes in torrents.

It seems to me that anytime a swindler can fleece the DUmpmonkeys, that's a good thing. Decent and civilized people will never fall for it, and every moonbat penny they send to that Paypal account is another penny that can't be donated to a democrat politican to damage America.

Decent and civilized people will continue to donate to established charities with coherent missions, or directly to people in need, or more importantly, to their churches.

So here's a big thumbs up to all the compassionate causes that prey on DUmp democrats.

I wonder if they paid for that Kindle?

[dena]

I have to say, after reading through most of her nearly-endless website, that I fully support Wishadoo, and hope they succeed beyond their wildest dreams.

You can read forever on that site, and you will find not one shred, not one speck, not one iota of an actionable statement. There is simply nothing there but an huge mass of feelgood blather and anonymous pleas for money, most of which are better written than Pam's.

"Wishadoo! is a personal and community awakening, a social evolution."
"We're creating a new world, together."
"Wishadoo! is a one-stop grassroots gateway to connect, dream, innovate,
truly integrate and build Cooperative, Compassionate Communities."
Seriously.
They forgot to include "Change you can believe in", and "Yes, we can."
It's a community organizer's dream.
Anyway, that urban philosopher Rodney King trumped this outfit a dozen times over by simply saying, "Can't we all just get along?"
And Rodney didn't need a hundred pages of internet claptrap.

But I support them 110%. This is exactly the kind of emptyheaded feelgood rhetoric that attracts moonbats like flies to honey, and I'm sure the good people at Wishadoo are reaping the benefits of that moonbat weakness. Whenever grifters like Bev Harris or the Andyscam conspirators show up, all they have to do is shake the DUmp tree, and money comes pattering down, sometimes in torrents.

It seems to me that anytime a swindler can fleece the DUmpmonkeys, that's a good thing. Decent and civilized people will never fall for it, and every moonbat penny they send to that Paypal account is another penny that can't be donated to a democrat politican to damage America.

Decent and civilized people will continue to donate to established charities with coherent missions, or directly to people in need, or more importantly, to their churches.

So here's a big thumbs up to all the compassionate causes that prey on DUmp democrats.

I wonder if they paid for that Kindle?

I doubt you and I have much to say to one another, GOBUCKS, 'cause you're dead set on being nasty (a trait especially common to hardcore progressives and conservatives online), but I wanted to say that churches who don't want to or aren't able to have their own online community are able to create a Group at Wishadoo!, which acts as an online place for them to gather to discuss things and plan events, and they can have their own private "wishlist" to share amongst their parishioners to help one another with specific needs and offerings.  Obviously most interaction takes place in real life, but a lot of planning nowadays takes place online, so having an online community is important for all types of organizations and networks.

All types of existing organizations can and are creating a Group at Wishadoo, so long as they're comfortable at a site that loudly and proudly advocates Compassion, Cooperation and Community, with no apologies.

It's free.  It helps them with their own mission and they can use Wishadoo!'s tools for free.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with helping one's community, and organizing to do so.  If you respond to dog whistle stuff like "community organizer" equating to being a communist or whatever, that's your problem.  If those words filter out people who are determined to not like others because of labels and other things, then it serves an even greater purpose from my perspective.  You have your own support network, evidently, and that's awesome.  It's great when people have a support network.  The reality is that many don't.  Even existing networks benefit by growing, as our problems as a society grow.

Thanks to everyone for being civil here.  I have a feeling there is nothing about Wishadoo or what I'm trying to do that is of interest to anyone, but if it is, I'll gladly discuss further, away from this particular forum, in your General Discussion area or whatever.

[GOBUCKS]

Please, madam, I'm not being nasty. I tried to explain why I fully support your organization, and wish you boundless prosperity.
Ingenious entrepreneurs deserve our admiration and moral support.

But I understand. If you can describe a hostile reception here, it will probably increase your appeal among your constituency at the DUmp.
So feel free to characterize what I wrote as you wish, and best of luck in your fundraising from the "Compassionate Community".

Of course, being just one poster, I can't speak for all the fine people here, but I suspect you've drilled a dry hole at this site.
Some may strongly disagree with me, as usual, and others may use more welcoming words than mine, but are just as unlikely to become lucrative contacts.

[dena]

Please, madam, I'm not being nasty. I tried to explain why I fully support your organization, and wish you boundless prosperity.
Ingenious entrepreneurs deserve our admiration and moral support.

But I understand. If you can describe a hostile reception here, it will probably increase your appeal among your constituency at the DUmp.
So feel free to characterize what I wrote as you wish, and best of luck in your fundraising from the "Compassionate Community".

Of course, being just one poster, I can't speak for all the fine people here, but I suspect you've drilled a dry hole at this site.
Some may strongly disagree with me, as usual, and others may use more welcoming words than mine, but are just as unlikely to become lucrative contacts.

I suppose being nasty is in the eye of the beholder.  I include extreme snark in my description of nasty.

I am a member of DU but, as I have mentioned here, you all seem to know MUCH more about DUers than I do.  I work no less than 60 hours a week (in addition to time spent developing Wishadoo), so I have no time to follow members at messageboards to that degree.   

I have no intention of mentioning my interactions here at DU or any other site to which I belong.  It serves no purpose.  I don't want to engage in website wars (seriously, I really don't understand how people have the time and energy for that).

I want to talk about what can be DONE, as citizens, as neighbors, to improve our situation by creating jobs ourselves, etc.

The only thing I was seeking in posting here was to try to understand more about the conservative mindset which tends to loathe what I am working on at Wishadoo, beyond the initial knee-jerk response, which I definitely understand.  I wanted to dig deeper and see if there may be common ground.

Best of luck to you and others here, and thanks for at least entertaining my desire to have a dialogue about things I feel are of importance, though I realize they aren't to others.  I'll close the door on my way out. 

[Tucker]

Please, madam, I'm not being nasty. I tried to explain why I fully support your organization, and wish you boundless prosperity.
Ingenious entrepreneurs deserve our admiration and moral support.

But I understand. If you can describe a hostile reception here, it will probably increase your appeal among your constituency at the DUmp.
So feel free to characterize what I wrote as you wish, and best of luck in your fundraising from the "Compassionate Community".

Of course, being just one poster, I can't speak for all the fine people here, but I suspect you've drilled a dry hole at this site.
Some may strongly disagree with me, as usual, and others may use more welcoming words than mine, but are just as unlikely to become lucrative contacts.

What's really hard is that it is no longer safe to donate to older, established institutions like the church because of Pam and her ilk will try to scam anything of value for their personal gain.

I would guess that the Salvation Army is safe as the SA to a DUmmy is like sunlight to Bela Pelosi Dracula.

[Evil_Conservative]

I suppose being nasty is in the eye of the beholder.  I include extreme snark in my description of nasty.

I am a member of DU but, as I have mentioned here, you all seem to know MUCH more about DUers than I do.  I work no less than 60 hours a week (in addition to time spent developing Wishadoo), so I have no time to follow members at messageboards to that degree.   

I have no intention of mentioning my interactions here at DU or any other site to which I belong.  It serves no purpose.  I don't want to engage in website wars (seriously, I really don't understand how people have the time and energy for that).

I want to talk about what can be DONE, as citizens, as neighbors, to improve our situation by creating jobs ourselves, etc.

The only thing I was seeking in posting here was to try to understand more about the conservative mindset which tends to loathe what I am working on at Wishadoo, beyond the initial knee-jerk response, which I definitely understand.  I wanted to dig deeper and see if there may be common ground.

Best of luck to you and others here, and thanks for at least entertaining my desire to have a dialogue about things I feel are of importance, though I realize they aren't to others.  I'll close the door on my way out. 

Bye.

[BEG]

I'm sure Pam is glad The Weiner went down today to take attention off her brain damage self.  I bet Obama is just as glad.