About speaking in tongues...

[The Night Owl]

I'm interested in reading opinions on the practice of speaking in tongues. Is the practice of speaking in tongues actual evidence of humans communing with God or is it just mumbo jumbo?

[Bondai]

I'm interested in reading opinions on the practice of speaking in tongues. Is the practice of speaking in tongues actual evidence of humans communing with God or is it just mumbo jumbo?

Speaking in tongues if considered a gift from God and must be verified by another person. It is not mumbo jumbo, like all gifts given to man by God it is real.

[The Night Owl]

Speaking in tongues if considered a gift from God and must be verified by another person. It is not mumbo jumbo, like all gifts given to man by God it is real.

Excuse my ignorance, but... how does one go about verifying the act of speaking in tongues?

[Chris_]

Speaking in tongues if considered a gift from God and must be verified by another person. It is not mumbo jumbo, like all gifts given to man by God it is real.

Excuse my ignorance, but... how does one go about verifying the act of speaking in tongues?

Peer review?

[Gwitness]

What purpose would it serve?....The disciples were given the gift upon the great commission..in order to speak the language of the people  they were sent to by God.....frankly I reject  this as a  "spiritual gift"...unless that person in actually speaking a language [unknown to them] that is being used by the people that are are witnessing to.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Color me cynical but I can't help but view this thread suspiciously as yet another attempt demonstrate a wedge between religion--with particular emphasis on Christianity--and *ahem* science.

Yet the Christian role in science is more firmly established than global warming or whether or not eggs are good for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

As concerns "speaking in tongues"?

bleh

Benny Hinn gives me the runs.

[Rebel Yell]

I'm interested in reading opinions on the practice of speaking in tongues. Is the practice of speaking in tongues actual evidence of humans communing with God or is it just mumbo jumbo?

I, personally, don't go for the speaking in tongues.  I've heard it happen once.  And it sounded like this.  "nanananananana".

So let's question your religion.  Why is it latest studies show that the ocean water is not getting warmer?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025

I chose a liberal, pro Global Warming point of view.  They try to spin it, but really can't.  Maybe it's 20% Global Warming and the other 80% is staying the same.  Maybe there haven't been enough carbon credits (offerings) purchased to appease hot spaghetti monster.  Care to explain?

[CBUSMS]

I'll go with mumbo jumbo.

[Chris_]

I'll go with mumbo jumbo.

I think that some of it is......however, before proceeding, one must consider WHO initiated this thread, and as this sorry excuse for an individual would like nothing better than to start a discussion that in some manner trivialized Christianity, or organized religion in general, one should couch ones comments with this in mind.

That said, and with the caveat that I'm no biblical scholar, I believe that the Catholic church has a long history of documenting cases where individuals, seemingly possessed by the Holy Spirit, or something more ominous, have been witnessed speaking in languages that it has been thoroughly documented that the person has never been exposed to in any manner......"dead" languages such as Aramaic, Latin, and ancient Greek.

Certainly "food for thought"....

doc

[Rebel Yell]

I'll go with mumbo jumbo.

I think that some of it is......however, before proceeding, one must consider WHO initiated this thread, and as this sorry excuse for an individual would like nothing better than to start a discussion that in some manner trivialized Christianity, or organized religion in general, one should couch ones comments with this in mind.

That said, and with the caveat that I'm no biblical scholar, I believe that the Catholic church has a long history of documenting cases where individuals, seemingly possessed by the Holy Spirit, or something more ominous, have been witnessed speaking in languages that it has been thoroughly documented that the person has never been exposed to in any manner......"dead" languages such as Aramaic, Latin, and ancient Greek.

Certainly "food for thought"....

doc

The Holy Spirit can give you the ability to do anything it sees fit.  I just don't go for the guy standing next to me going nananananana, then asking for your checkbook.

[Chris_]

^When I was but a wee lad, I once dated a girl that was a member of a "Holiness" church, and one Sunday, she invited me to attend with her.  My parents had mentioned from time to time these churches, and referred to them as "Holy Rollers", and until that Sunday, I had no idea what that expression referred to.  Needless to say, I learned.....and during that service there was some "speaking in tongues" allegedly going on....however, since I was intentionally seated in the back of the congregation, I can't confirm or deny what was happening......no one, however, asked for my checkbook....

doc

[The Night Owl]

Color me cynical but I can't help but view this thread suspiciously as yet another attempt demonstrate a wedge between religion--with particular emphasis on Christianity--and *ahem* science.

Yet the Christian role in science is more firmly established than global warming or whether or not eggs are good for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

I'm not the type of person who considers science and faith to be in conflict. Nor am I the type of person who considers believers to be less informed or less intelligent than nonbelievers. That some scientists rely on faith to explain that which science cannot explain does not bother me in the least.

[Chris_]

That some scientists rely on faith to explain that which science cannot explain does not bother me in the least.

This is manifestly evident in your posting history........

doc

[Rebel Yell]

^When I was but a wee lad, I once dated a girl that was a member of a "Holiness" church, and one Sunday, she invited me to attend with her.  My parents had mentioned from time to time these churches, and referred to them as "Holy Rollers", and until that Sunday, I had no idea what that expression referred to.  Needless to say, I learned.....and during that service there was some "speaking in tongues" allegedly going on....however, since I was intentionally seated in the back of the congregation, I can't confirm or deny what was happening......no one, however, asked for my checkbook....

doc

A company I used to work with was owned by 2, I consider, scammers who did financial advising by command of the Lord.  If you aren't wealthy, it's because of your lack of faith.  Jesus was a wealthy busines man, and everything is about money.  One of the owner's brother was the pastor of a "non-denominational" church that splintered off from a Church of God.  You had to attend that church to be part of the clique.  I never stepped foot in that church, because I'm a Freewill Baptist.  Every other church's pator was leading his congregation to hell.  This church was a silent partner in the business and have a televised service every Sunday down here.  You'll see the patsor preach a few minutes, then an infomercial on how to invest your money.  That was my experiance with tongue talkers.  I know they are the exception, but that is what comes to mind when I hear of people talking in tongues.

[The Night Owl]

I, personally, don't go for the speaking in tongues.  I've heard it happen once.  And it sounded like this.  "nanananananana".

When I was a person of faith (Catholic), I once attended a revival and got to hear people speaking in tongues during it. The vocalization sounded like jibberish to me and I felt that I could probably mimic it if I practiced it for a while. Then things got interesting. Once I decided that what was going on around me was absurd, I came to the realization that the kind of loud and public worship I was witnessing at the revival was not intrinsically different from the quiet kind of worship I had grown up with and engaged in on Sundays. To this day I consider that revival to have been the first time I realized that I was on a journey away from religion and toward agnosticism.

[The Night Owl]

A company I used to work with was owned by 2, I consider, scammers who did financial advising by command of the Lord.  If you aren't wealthy, it's because of your lack of faith.  Jesus was a wealthy busines man, and everything is about money.  One of the owner's brother was the pastor of a "non-denominational" church that splintered off from a Church of God.  You had to attend that church to be part of the clique.  I never stepped foot in that church, because I'm a Freewill Baptist.  Every other church's pator was leading his congregation to hell.  This church was a silent partner in the business and have a televised service every Sunday down here.  You'll see the patsor preach a few minutes, then an infomercial on how to invest your money.  That was my experiance with tongue talkers.  I know they are the exception, but that is what comes to mind when I hear of people talking in tongues.

I vaguely remember television preachers in the 1980s talking about how Jesus Christ had a big house and wore designer clothes.

[RedTail]

I've seen the real thing.

But I've also seen the opposite.

The former is rare.

*Red*

[The Night Owl]

I've seen the real thing.

But I've also seen the opposite.

The former is rare.

*Red*

So, how does one tell the difference between real speaking in tongues and fake speaking in tongues?

[Chris_]

I've seen the real thing.

But I've also seen the opposite.

The former is rare.

*Red*

So, how does one tell the difference between real speaking in tongues and fake speaking in tongues?

One is real and one is fake.

[Chris_]

Speaking In Tongues is considered to be the lowest of God's gifts.

Anyone know what is the highest?

[The Night Owl]

One is real and one is fake.

Nonanswer answers don't cut it here. Try again.

[Wretched Excess]

I, personally, don't go for the speaking in tongues.  I've heard it happen once.  And it sounded like this.  "nanananananana".

When I was a person of faith (Catholic), I once attended a revival and got to hear people speaking in tongues during it. The vocalization sounded like jibberish to me and I felt that I could probably mimic it if I practiced it for a while. Then things got interesting. Once I decided that what was going on around me was absurd, I came to the realization that the kind of loud and public worship I was witnessing at the revival was not intrinsically different from the quiet kind of worship I had grown up with and engaged in on Sundays. To this day I consider that revival to have been the first time I realized that I was on a journey away from religion and toward agnosticism.

so, if you had had a cold or something that day, you would still be a christian?

[The Night Owl]

so, if you had had a cold or something that day, you would still be a christian?

No. What I wrote is that the revival made me aware that I was on a journey away from religion, not that it put me on that journey.

[Wretched Excess]

so, if you had had a cold or something that day, you would still be a christian?

No. What I wrote is that the revival made me aware that I was on a journey away from religion, not that it put me on that journey.

you miss the point, as you do frequently.

if you had never started the journey, it would have  never happened, right?

[The Night Owl]

you miss the point, as you do frequently.

if you had never started the journey, it would have  never happened, right?

Right. And?