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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2010, 06:50:42 PM »
You threatened to shoot me my first visit.  It was kind of off putting.  Threats of violence generally tend to make people not think someplace is a friendly place to be.

Seriously, look at my list of the past 10 years.  

I think anyone who isn't a little confused as to what is going on in the world is crazy.  

Hell, Castro disavowed Communism today.  
You have a Christian preacher with 50 members in his church burning Quarans and it is national news
We are debating a Mosque in NY that doesn't even have the funding to be built just the permit
There are border wars and we are having a fight over enforcing federal law
The government issued an unemployment report forgetting to say that 9 states data was estimated and was only caught when someone asked a question about holidays.

It is almost as if the world has gone nuts.



That preacher has changed his mind.  He ain't gonna do it.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2010, 06:52:14 PM »
That preacher has changed his mind.  He ain't gonna do it.

Good, we can all use a little less stirring up of emotions and trouble right now.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 06:53:56 PM »
I think we have a cultural problem right now, not a political one.

None of you are my enemies.  We may disagree on something but we are not enemies.  You are fellow citizens.

A depression may be actually good for the country or it could tear it apart.  We need to be reminded I think we are Americans.  We are in this boat together, pull together and build a better country.  Or we could tear each other limb to limb fighting over the last scrap of cheese left to us by previous generations.  

This is not a socialism/capitalism thing.  More of a community thing and a respect thing.

I apologize for the way I initially came here.  I have a greater understanding of your points of view and a respect for them.  Even if I disagree on some issues.

There are several "fellow citizens" that I consider my enemy.  Most of them are liberal idiots working to destroy the foundations of this country.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2010, 06:55:52 PM »
Good, we can all use a little less stirring up of emotions and trouble right now.

I am disappointed that he bowed to pressure and changed his mind.

I for one don't give a damn how pissed off the radical Muslims get over it.  They hate us anyway.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2010, 06:57:36 PM »
I am disappointed that he bowed to pressure and changed his mind.

I for one don't give a damn how pissed off the radical Muslims get over it.  They hate us anyway.

Possibly.  Everyone else seemed to be begging him not to including the generals in the field.  Who knows.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2010, 07:00:01 PM »
Possibly.  Everyone else seemed to be begging him not to including the generals in the field.  Who knows.

We, as a nation, need to STOP kowtowing to the Muslims.

If they want to live in the 12th century, fine.  Just leave the rest of us alone.

PERIOD.

END OF STORY!!!!!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2010, 07:47:16 PM »
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None of you are my enemies.  We may disagree on something but we are not enemies.  You are fellow citizens.

Uh, what? You voted for the Bummer, right? Then I beg to differ! You are my enemy! I blame you and the other millions who failed to see this guy was nothin' more than a flash in the pan, community Acorn luvin', dirty trick, Chicago politician!

Why don't you splain to me the resume you based you're stinkin' vote on? You along with the rest of the sheep put this country into the worst shape of my lifetime, and I've been around more than 1/2 a century! This DipShit is even worse than the Peanut Farmer!

This guy has never actually earned a paycheck, let alone wrote one, yet believes he is an economic genius!

IMHO, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2010, 07:58:01 PM »
Uh, what? You voted for the Bummer, right? Then I beg to differ! You are my enemy! I blame you and the other millions who failed to see this guy was nothin' more than a flash in the pan, community Acorn luvin', dirty trick, Chicago politician!

Why don't you splain to me the resume you based you're stinkin' vote on? You along with the rest of the sheep put this country into the worst shape of my lifetime, and I've been around more than 1/2 a century! This DipShit is even worse than the Peanut Farmer!

This guy has never actually earned a paycheck, let alone wrote one, yet believes he is an economic genius!

IMHO, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel!

My Mom voted for W twice and O once what is she?

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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2010, 10:22:45 PM »
I'm changing my mind on some things.  

Would you prefer me not to take a look at the past 10 years which have been a disaster for our country.  I'm even giving Dick and George some slack.  You should be happy.

In the past 10 years we have

1) Been attacked on our soil for the first time since 1812

WRONG, DUmbass!! We were attacked in 1993 (WTC) and again in 2000 (A US Naval Vessel is considered "American Soil") How convenient that you omitted those attacks on our "soil"


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2) Had two wars


Yeah, all of those clandestine attacks in South America and Bosnia/ Herzegovina didn't happen on Clinton's watch, did they?? OOOOOPPPPPPPPPs!!!!! (Oh, yeah, once again, you "conveniently only went back TEN years so that you would exclude Clinton)


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3) Had a total economic meltdown possibly equivalent of 1929

The meltdown started in September of 2000. I lost a good sum of money when the tech sector crashed, along with a pretty decent job. Remind me again who was President in 2000??

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4) Gone from full employment to depression level unemployment in 3 years
Let's see, exactly WHO caused the housing market to crash?? Who were doing shady deals with Countrywide and other banks?? What was the unemployment in Jan of 09??  What is it now?? Who took control of Congress in 2007?? Who has stood in the way of Bush fixing any of these problems??


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5) Watched two Presidencies implode
What you talkin about Willis?? Implode?? Bush wasn't the greatest Pres by any means, but seriously, "implode"??


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This is after I grew up in 20 years of relative stability.  Frankly if I wasn't confused as to what the hell is going on in the world, I'd probably be lobotomized.

Hell there are so many "truths" that I heard in my youth that have been turned on their head in the past 10 years it is hard to know what the hell to believe.
Perhaps you need to get off of the lame(left) stream media and find ALL sources of news....... Or perhaps, you just can't HANDLE the truth and need to be spoon fed your morning pablum??
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2010, 10:25:52 PM »
BTW, your avatar is MOST apropos........ Gaius Baltar, a traitor to "humanity", a snake, a liar, a thief and a cheat. In the story, he committed an act of violence that makes Hitler seems like a "good guy"......

In the original series, he was every bit as evil, if not more so.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2010, 10:26:29 PM »
It's gay. :p
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2010, 10:26:52 PM »
I was not assigning blame, I was actually reflecting on what has been going on for a while.  I fully believe some Clinton Administration policies contributed to this mess looking at it.  Particularly GLB, NAFTA, and Greenspan policies during the late 90s till 2005 when he left office.

Really, I'm 31.  I'm just trying to figure out why my country is in worst shape right now when I graduated from college.  
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2010, 10:32:00 PM »
BTW, your avatar is MOST apropos........ Gaius Baltar, a traitor to "humanity", a snake, a liar, a thief and a cheat. In the story, he committed an act of violence that makes Hitler seems like a "good guy"......

In the original series, he was every bit as evil, if not more so.

He redeems himself at the end of the story.

Never saw the original series.  Doesn't seem to be as well written from what I heard.

Gaius didn't commit the act of violence he was stupid and handed over codes to a woman he was sleeping with.  Baltar had no for thought on what he was doing, he was engaging in basic human corruption.  Something that appeared to be going on in the Caprica society for quite a while.

The Cylons seemed to be kind of judges on that society.  According to the story, it had happened over and over and over again. 

Battlestar is a morality tale that asks some pretty interesting questions.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2010, 10:34:14 PM »
I was not assigning blame, I was actually reflecting on what has been going on for a while.  I fully believe some Clinton Administration policies contributed to this mess looking at it.  Particularly GLB, NAFTA, and Greenspan policies during the late 90s till 2005 when he left office.

Really, I'm 31.  I'm just trying to figure out why my country is in worst shape right now when I graduated from college.  

Eight years of Clinton, and three more years of a Dem controlled Congress fighting the President  at every turn since 2007. Lots of things that Bush did that I didn't like or agree with. At least the man wasn't a snake in the grass like his predecessor and successor.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2010, 10:37:52 PM »

Never saw the original series.  Doesn't seem to be as well written from what I heard.
It was on Sci Fi before the new BSG was aired...... I watched every one of the original BSG when they first aired. You weren't born yet. It was written fairly well, but the tech was lame.

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Gaius didn't commit the act of violence he was stupid and handed over codes to a woman he was sleeping with.  Baltar had no for thought on what he was doing, he was engaging in basic human corruption.  Something that appeared to be going on in the Caprica society for quite a while.

He might as well have been the one that did the killing. Complicity and all that...... Were it NOT for him, Caprica wouldn't have had a mass execution.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2010, 10:41:28 PM »
It was on Sci Fi before the new BSG was aired...... I watched every one of the original BSG when they first aired. You weren't born yet. It was written fairly well, but the tech was lame.
 He might as well have been the one that did the killing. Complicity and all that...... Were it NOT for him, Caprica wouldn't have had a mass execution.

Possibly.  I think the Cylons would have eventually infiltrated.  It was a sneak attack and they had sleeper agents everywhere.

Gaius was probably guilty of a capital crime in sharing defense secrets with a contractor, regardless of whether she was a Cylon.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2010, 10:54:02 PM »
I was not assigning blame, I was actually reflecting on what has been going on for a while.  I fully believe some Clinton Administration policies contributed to this mess looking at it.  Particularly GLB, NAFTA, and Greenspan policies during the late 90s till 2005 when he left office.

Really, I'm 31. I'm just trying to figure out why my country is in worst shape right now when I graduated from college.

I know I'm goin' to sound like a broken record, but, again, YOU'RE KIDDIN', right?

Your "messiah" has done more to dig a grave for this country since Jimmah "the Peanut Farmer" Cartless!

You can't be serious! How many times do we have to post the figures of when the DIpSHits took over congress?

Don't "facts" mean anything to you "people", ( and I use the term loosely )?

Just how the hell do ya splain the dive in our economy since the Dems took over in 2007?

"Seriesly"! I'm curious as to how you can splain that away?

Oh,wait a second.......... I know, I know, (holds hand up frantically ), It's Bush's Fault!!!!!

Right???????
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2010, 10:58:21 PM »
I think we can spread out the blame.  Why are you so focused on an either or.

A person can't say I think George W. Bush wasn't the hottest President and I don't think Barack is a good president either.  It is entirely possible that the two political parties promoted two men to the office that were not equipped for it do to the media component of politics and the 24/7 news cycle.

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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2010, 10:33:53 AM »
I think we can spread out the blame.  Why are you so focused on an either or.

A person can't say I think George W. Bush wasn't the hottest President and I don't think Barack is a good president either.  It is entirely possible that the two political parties promoted two men to the office that were not equipped for it do to the media component of politics and the 24/7 news cycle.



Given 9/11 I think Bush did a pretty damn good job!

O'Bummer hasn't done anything except drive the country into the ground at 100 MPH!!!

The two can't even remotely be compared!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2010, 10:46:53 AM »
Given 9/11 I think Bush did a pretty damn good job!

O'Bummer hasn't done anything except drive the country into the ground at 100 MPH!!!

The two can't even remotely be compared!

All things considered, Clinton COULD have prevented 9/11, BUT............ he was too busy getting his "knob polished" to worry about the important things.
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« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2010, 11:50:27 AM »
All things considered, Clinton COULD have prevented 9/11, BUT............ he was too busy getting his "knob polished" to worry about the important things.

Careful now! You're probably talkin' about his hero!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2010, 12:07:42 PM »
I'm changing my mind on some things.

Bullshit


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Would you prefer me not to take a look at the past 10 years which have been a disaster for our country.  I'm even giving Dick and George some slack.  You should be happy

I would prefer you to be honest about it and not engage in typical Libtard rhetoric and lies.

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In the past 10 years we have

1) Been attacked on our soil for the first time since 1812

1942.

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2) Had two wars

First was not of our choosing.  Second was but in a way tied to the first.  Both necessary.

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3) Had a total economic meltdown possibly equivalent of 1929

Overseen by whom?

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4) Gone from full employment to depression level unemployment in 3 years

Actually it's gone to that level in 20 months.

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5) Watched two Presidencies implode

One presidency.  Your obesession with including President Bush in your spin is revealing your outbreak of BDS.

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This is after I grew up in 20 years of relative stability.
 

20 years of relative stability?  Thanks to what President and what party?


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Frankly if I wasn't confused as to what the hell is going on in the world, I'd probably be lobotomized.


You are confused.  You're a liberal.  So the lobotomy is automatic.

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Hell there are so many "truths" that I heard in my youth that have been turned on their head in the past 10 years it is hard to know what the hell to believe.

That's because you were brought up a Liberal and indoctrinated in Liberal schools.

You guys tend to get confused when what you've been taught is the way and the light for the country blows up in your collective faces.
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2010, 12:15:42 PM »

Suck on this, jerk!

Looks like your lib buddies own this one!!!!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2010, 01:31:56 PM »
@ Jake:

Fact is ....... Reagan set this country on a massive upward spiral towards a great economy. Clinton and his Dems rode the Reaganomics wave and subsequently ran it into the ground. (I witnessed this happening, perhaps you were too young to notice or care)  Bush was unable to recover it because he was too focused on 9/11 and subsequent events. 0bama is just making it worse. People are scared nowadays. They are afraid of what's to come because 0bama and his party of corruption are too busy lining theirs and their friends pockets.

For the record, I'm not a big fan of Reagan. He did a couple of things that I absolutely despise!!
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Re: Consumer spending about to take another downturn
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2010, 01:47:22 PM »
All that federal spending on the stimulus just took money from one sector of the economy and redirected it to where the Dems wanted it to go. They redirected the natural flow and probably prolonged the recession.

Very true, because I believe most of it wasn't written by members of Congress, but by the Apollo Alliance and members of the Apollo Alliance. That and all those pork barrel spending. What a waste. :mental: :thatsright: