remembering the late red round one

[DumbAss Tanker]

To be fair to the suspicious (Yes, even noted lying weasel Will Pitt the Unwise), the entire medical fundraising campaign came close on the heels of the Black Box Voting ("BBV") fundraising debacle of Bev Whatsername, to whom we are eternally indebted for the phrase 'Just $10 away from [Whatever].'  Andy was intimately involved with the BBV operation until (Sort of) blowing the whistle on Bev, more for being a nut and bad manager than finances though he hinted at that heavily too, so she in turn denounced and fired him.  It's not like raising questions about the entire fundraising scam scheme of Andy's came out of the clear blue, given that run-up.

[franksolich]

It's not like raising questions about the entire fundraising scam scheme of Andy's came out of the clear blue, given that run-up.

Also, the late red round one, in November and December 2004, four months before the Scamdal got underway, had made his need for medical care well-publicized on Skins's island, himself personally soliciting donations.

The red round one was stuck in Washington, D.C. (after one of those post-election "demonstrations"), and allegedly couldn't get back home to Seattle for medical care; he needed some sort of (unspecified) medical treatment right there and then, in Washington.

I disremember if any primitives came forth with any bucks, but I distinctly remember many primitives offered the names and addresses of organizations that get urgent medical care for the needy and indigent in the capital, but the red round one dismissed that information; he wanted money, not places to go.

That's what got me interested in the Scamdal; here was another primitive freeloader.....

[Ballygrl]

By the way, for the illumination of new-comers:

Runners-up for the Top 10 Primitives of 2009:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38032.0.html

#10 Top Primitive of 2009: California Peggy

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38158.0.html

#09 Top Primitive of 2009: warpy

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38253.0.html

#08 Top Primitive of 2009: Systematic Chaos

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38270.0.html

#07 Top Primitive of 2009: Joanne98

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38285.0.html

#06 Top Primitive of 2009: DU AdBot

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38346.0.html

#05 Top Primitive of 2009: Stinky the Clown

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38345.0.html

#04 Top Primitive of 2009: undergroundpanther

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38347.0.html

#03 Top Primitive of 2009: EFerrari

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38456.0.html

#02 Top Primitive of 2009: bobbolink

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38470.0.html

Top Primitive of 2009: greenbriar

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38484.0.html

Lifetime Achievement Award for 2009:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,38060.0.html

I'm reading the drama post of Peggy's now LOL.

[Vagabond]

I'm not going dwell on this because I personally don't want to get involved in the personal lives of people, but I'm almost positive and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Johns Hopkins was 1 of those medical facilities where they pay for airfare and either provide accommodations or have them available at a discounted rate, also and maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that if a person couldn't pay they wouldn't be refused treatment there even if they're out of state residents? Johns Hopkins is 1 of the top facilities for pancreatic research and treatment, and they have many trials that have and still do go on, and when a trial or experimental treatment is given it's usually given free.

God Bless this man though, it's such a horrible disease.

Pancreatic cancer is a very fast killer.  Usually the time between diagnosis and the victim's death is measured in weeks and days, not months.  Andy's first post where he declared he had pancreatic surgery was some time in December or January, and he was still going strong, without surgery, in April and May.  Doctors operate as soon as possible when they think they have a patient with pancreatic cancer.  Andy lived within twenty miles of two hospitals that could have given him the surgery and his plea of poverty could have gotten the state of Washington to pay for it.  But, that wasn't good enough for the socialist elite, such care was for the peons and the unworthy, only John Hopkins was good enough for Andy.  The whole disgusting episode was a scam.

[franksolich]

But, that wasn't good enough for the socialist elite, such care was for the peons and the unworthy, only John Hopkins was good enough for Andy.  The whole disgusting episode was a scam.

The late red round was in fact treated at a premier institution, the Virginia Mason Hospital in Seattle.

Some time in late 2004, again in late February-early March 2005, and then the last week of June 2005 until he died there July 7, 2005 (a date which obviously now the primitives have forgotten, not having commemorated it this year).

[Tucker]

Hey Frank. I remember it. I shoot every Sunday between March and Nov. My Sun on-line participation is limited to early AM.

I remember all the crying and accusations. It was really bad when Tony Snow died. Al the grave dancing. Far too many said it was payback for our killing Andy.

One thing to take into account about the omission of the anniversary on the island is that many of those primitives that wailed the loudest are no longer there. What we have now populating the island is the second generation of those with the ability to walk on two legs.

[franksolich]

One thing to take into account about the omission of the anniversary on the island is that many of those primitives that wailed the loudest are no longer there. What we have now populating the island is the second generation of those with the ability to walk on two legs.

I've wondered for a while if some of the prominent Andyites had swum off of Skins's island and gone to the ulmic shores, wherein now reside the "I-don't-like-Bo-but-I'll-vote-for-him-in-2012-anyway" crowd.

But I doubt it; the elm-infested ulmic shores has a better reputation than Skins's island, and the people on it more mellow than the primitives on Skins's island--so hate-filled Andyites surely wouldn't swim there.  I rather more suspect they went the other way, to that regressive site, that has a worse reputation.

The elm-infested ulmic shores is the Country Club, Skins's island is the mental hospital, and the regressive site is the syphillic-ridden trailer-court park.

However, it needs noted that other than the Bostonian Drunkard and Fat Che, none of the prominent Andyite primitives were ever mausoleumed, and they do show up on Skins's island from time to time: the malicious cartoon character primitive ("Kelvin Mace"), the sensitive lad the piano-playing primitive ("goodboy"), the "Betty Ellen" primitive, the foul-mouthed "liberalnurse" primitive, the "MeganMonkey" primitive, the primitive woman bothered by cold weather ("TroubleInWinter"), the Leona Helmsley of DUmmieland ("flyarm"), &c., &c., &c.

But they just don't show up very often any more, and a campfire commemorating the late red round one on July 7 would've given them good reason for a reunion.  One is left wondering why Doug's stupid ex-wife didn't light a campfire this anniversary, and so suspects perhaps a falling-out among the Andyites (over issues not related to the Scamdal).

Some events of the Scamdal still remain boldly in this memory today:

(a) that of the legless quadriplegic arising in indignation from his wheelchair upon learning that he, who got $520 a month in social security disability checks, had unwittingly given a whopping $300 for the "cause;"

(b) that despite the red round one was one of her "bestest, closest friends," Leona Helmsley flew away in his time of need, on an Imelda Marcos-style shopping-spree in Paris (and Doug's stupid ex-wife refused to see anything wrong with that);

(c) the black social worker castigating the Bostonian Drunkard for campaigning for medical assistance for an affluent middle-class (yes, the late red round one had assets, probably more than what many members here have) white man, while ignoring the plight of inner-city minorities whose own health-care needs went unanswered, for which the elitist racist Bostonian Drunkard castigated her;

(d) the allegation that a couple of primitives had to break into (i.e., burglarize) the mail-room at Johns Hopkins Hospital so as to find the check for $50,000, which was ostensibly missing, and thus held up that whippling surgical procedure; and

(e) the whine of the psychotic primitive, the "psychic" primitive "JoanAlpern," that the red round one had given her a rubber check for $300--that one in particular always struck me, because if the psychotic primitive was in fact a psychic, she could've foretold the check was no good in the beginning.....but of course most people wouldn't need any psychic talents to discern it was no good.

[cottondress]

 Gosh...I had almost forgotten about Andy (RIP)  The DRAMA!!  It was better than any soap opera.

[DefiantSix]

The late red round was in fact treated at a premier institution, the Virginia Mason Hospital in Seattle.

Some time in late 2004, again in late February-early March 2005, and then the last week of June 2005 until he died there July 7, 2005 (a date which obviously now the primitives have forgotten, not having commemorated it this year).

And if Virginia Mason couldn't have treated Andy, the doctors there would have almost certainly bundled his worthless ass off to Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research center in Seattle; just as top of the line in cancer treatment as Hopkins might have been, without having to fly clear across the country and arrange hotel accomodations to get it.

I've had cheesecloth that held more water than Andy's scam.

[JLO]

I've wondered for a while if some of the prominent Andyites had swum off of Skins's island and gone to the ulmic shores, wherein now reside the "I-don't-like-Bo-but-I'll-vote-for-him-in-2012-anyway" crowd.

But I doubt it; the elm-infested ulmic shores has a better reputation than Skins's island, and the people on it more mellow than the primitives on Skins's island--so hate-filled Andyites surely wouldn't swim there.  I rather more suspect they went the other way, to that regressive site, that has a worse reputation.

The elm-infested ulmic shores is the Country Club, Skins's island is the mental hospital, and the regressive site is the syphillic-ridden trailer-court park.

However, it needs noted that other than the Bostonian Drunkard and Fat Che, none of the prominent Andyite primitives were ever mausoleumed, and they do show up on Skins's island from time to time: the malicious cartoon character primitive ("Kelvin Mace"), the sensitive lad the piano-playing primitive ("goodboy"), the "Betty Ellen" primitive, the foul-mouthed "liberalnurse" primitive, the "MeganMonkey" primitive, the primitive woman bothered by cold weather ("TroubleInWinter"), the Leona Helmsley of DUmmieland ("flyarm"), &c., &c., &c.

But they just don't show up very often any more, and a campfire commemorating the late red round one on July 7 would've given them good reason for a reunion.  One is left wondering why Doug's stupid ex-wife didn't light a campfire this anniversary, and so suspects perhaps a falling-out among the Andyites (over issues not related to the Scamdal).

Some events of the Scamdal still remain boldly in this memory today:

(a) that of the legless quadriplegic arising in indignation from his wheelchair upon learning that he, who got $520 a month in social security disability checks, had unwittingly given a whopping $300 for the "cause;"

(b) that despite the red round one was one of her "bestest, closest friends," Leona Helmsley flew away in his time of need, on an Imelda Marcos-style shopping-spree in Paris (and Doug's stupid ex-wife refused to see anything wrong with that);

(c) the black social worker castigating the Bostonian Drunkard for campaigning for medical assistance for an affluent middle-class (yes, the late red round one had assets, probably more than what many members here have) white man, while ignoring the plight of inner-city minorities whose own health-care needs went unanswered, for which the elitist racist Bostonian Drunkard castigated her;

(d) the allegation that a couple of primitives had to break into (i.e., burglarize) the mail-room at Johns Hopkins Hospital so as to find the check for $50,000, which was ostensibly missing, and thus held up that whippling surgical procedure; and

(e) the whine of the psychotic primitive, the "psychic" primitive "JoanAlpern," that the red round one had given her a rubber check for $300--that one in particular always struck me, because if the psychotic primitive was in fact a psychic, she could've foretold the check was no good in the beginning.....but of course most people wouldn't need any psychic talents to discern it was no good.

Here's the thread about the checks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&
address=104x3629008#3629492

And here is the missing (deleted info)

"Hi Dan,

Thanks for replying.

Briefly I'd like to explain why I called in the first place. Over the
past couple of years Andy Stephenson has been involved in a few
questionable donation drives that ended rather badly. In the past six
months I've received no less than 40 emails from Andy, or one of his
agents, soliciting donations for everything from lawyer fees,
unemployment relief, to medical tests.

This week the request took a rather shocking turn when the pleas for
money stated the were to receive cancer treatment.

Now if Andy in fact does require this treatment I'm not the type of
person that would try and hamper those efforts. However, there have
been several claims made that just don't quite add up.

As you will see in the links provided it has been made clear that
Johns Hopkins is the only hospital that can do the procedure and due
to his financial situation he must pay the hospital 25 thousand
dollars up front to schedule the surgery. The remaining 25 thousand is
apparently due before the surgery or shortly there after. This part is
not clear.

What I find disturbing is how the five main people collecting the
money will drag the good name of Johns Hopkins through the mud in
order to get people to feel sorry for Andy and fork over their hard
earned money fighting the soulless hospital administration.

Several people in the DailyKos links I have provided describe a much
different hospital system than the stereotypical impression, one often
promoted in the media, that Andy's donation crew repeat in every plea
they send out.

If Andy can get adequate treatment in his home state of Washington
then I think the methods being used to collect the money verge on
fraud. But I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement member.

To make a short story long. Had Andy said…

"I'm very sick, the local cancer hospital says my chances of survival
are 50-50 but Johns Hopkins has a treatment that will cost 20 thousand
dollars more but increase my odds to 70-30"

I think his friends and supporters would still have come up with the money.

Instead he has allowed Johns Hopkins to look like a greedy heartless
corporation without ever disclosing any alternative options.

I'm sure Johns Hopkins fundraises from the progressive community from
time to time and I think this kind of behavior hurts the reputation of
your institution and may hamper future fundraising efforts.

So, that's the reason for my concern. Please see below the links to
just some of the sites asking for donations.

The DailyKos for example has US senators posting on it and receives
half a million hits a day.

If I thought these pleas for money were limited to fringe site with
not much traffic I might not care. But considering the reach of these
sites I had to get in touch.

Thank you for your time.

Steve

Here is a typical comment from the threads.....

"I just sent some money. Not much, but I'm amazed that John Hopkins
has gotten to the point where they are asking for upfront money on a
$50,000 life saving surgery.*******, I'm angry.

The notion that John Hopkins is demanding 50% down for life saving
surgery makes my ****ing blood boil. I wonder how much they charge for
the same surgery to a Health Insurance company? Usually hospitals
charge the uninsured 2-3x the rate charged insurance companies."

[franksolich]

Here's the thread about the checks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3629008#3629492

Oh my.

Thank you for that wonderful trip down Memory Lane.

By the way, I happen to know that "Name Removed" at this long-ago campfire is a nice guy.

[JLO]

Oh my.

Thank you for that wonderful trip down Memory Lane.

By the way, I happen to know that "Name Removed" at this long-ago campfire is a nice guy.

Ya, so, I figured   

I just updated that post with some deletions from that poster

Hi Dan,

Thanks for replying.

Briefly I'd like to explain why I called in the first place. Over the
past couple of years Andy Stephenson has been involved in a few
questionable donation drives that ended rather badly. In the past six
months I've received no less than 40 emails from Andy, or one of his
agents, soliciting donations for everything from lawyer fees,
unemployment relief, to medical tests.

This week the request took a rather shocking turn when the pleas for
money stated the were to receive cancer treatment.

Now if Andy in fact does require this treatment I'm not the type of
person that would try and hamper those efforts. However, there have
been several claims made that just don't quite add up.

As you will see in the links provided it has been made clear that
Johns Hopkins is the only hospital that can do the procedure and due
to his financial situation he must pay the hospital 25 thousand
dollars up front to schedule the surgery. The remaining 25 thousand is
apparently due before the surgery or shortly there after. This part is
not clear.

What I find disturbing is how the five main people collecting the
money will drag the good name of Johns Hopkins through the mud in
order to get people to feel sorry for Andy and fork over their hard
earned money fighting the soulless hospital administration.

Several people in the DailyKos links I have provided describe a much
different hospital system than the stereotypical impression, one often
promoted in the media, that Andy's donation crew repeat in every plea
they send out.

If Andy can get adequate treatment in his home state of Washington
then I think the methods being used to collect the money verge on
fraud. But I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement member.

To make a short story long. Had Andy said…

"I'm very sick, the local cancer hospital says my chances of survival
are 50-50 but Johns Hopkins has a treatment that will cost 20 thousand
dollars more but increase my odds to 70-30"

I think his friends and supporters would still have come up with the money.

Instead he has allowed Johns Hopkins to look like a greedy heartless
corporation without ever disclosing any alternative options.

I'm sure Johns Hopkins fundraises from the progressive community from
time to time and I think this kind of behavior hurts the reputation of
your institution and may hamper future fundraising efforts.

So, that's the reason for my concern. Please see below the links to
just some of the sites asking for donations.

The DailyKos for example has US senators posting on it and receives
half a million hits a day.

If I thought these pleas for money were limited to fringe site with
not much traffic I might not care. But considering the reach of these
sites I had to get in touch.

Thank you for your time.

Steve

Here is a typical comment from the threads.....

"I just sent some money. Not much, but I'm amazed that John Hopkins
has gotten to the point where they are asking for upfront money on a
$50,000 life saving surgery.*******, I'm angry.

The notion that John Hopkins is demanding 50% down for life saving
surgery makes my ****ing blood boil. I wonder how much they charge for
the same surgery to a Health Insurance company? Usually hospitals
charge the uninsured 2-3x the rate charged insurance companies."

[soleil]

Here's the thread about the checks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&
address=104x3629008#3629492

And here is the missing (deleted info)

"Hi Dan,

Thanks for replying.

Briefly I'd like to explain why I called in the first place. Over the
past couple of years Andy Stephenson has been involved in a few
questionable donation drives that ended rather badly. In the past six
months I've received no less than 40 emails from Andy, or one of his
agents, soliciting donations for everything from lawyer fees,
unemployment relief, to medical tests.

This week the request took a rather shocking turn when the pleas for
money stated the were to receive cancer treatment.

Now if Andy in fact does require this treatment I'm not the type of
person that would try and hamper those efforts. However, there have
been several claims made that just don't quite add up.

As you will see in the links provided it has been made clear that
Johns Hopkins is the only hospital that can do the procedure and due
to his financial situation he must pay the hospital 25 thousand
dollars up front to schedule the surgery. The remaining 25 thousand is
apparently due before the surgery or shortly there after. This part is
not clear.

What I find disturbing is how the five main people collecting the
money will drag the good name of Johns Hopkins through the mud in
order to get people to feel sorry for Andy and fork over their hard
earned money fighting the soulless hospital administration.

Several people in the DailyKos links I have provided describe a much
different hospital system than the stereotypical impression, one often
promoted in the media, that Andy's donation crew repeat in every plea
they send out.

If Andy can get adequate treatment in his home state of Washington
then I think the methods being used to collect the money verge on
fraud. But I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement member.

To make a short story long. Had Andy said…

"I'm very sick, the local cancer hospital says my chances of survival
are 50-50 but Johns Hopkins has a treatment that will cost 20 thousand
dollars more but increase my odds to 70-30"

I think his friends and supporters would still have come up with the money.

Instead he has allowed Johns Hopkins to look like a greedy heartless
corporation without ever disclosing any alternative options.

I'm sure Johns Hopkins fundraises from the progressive community from
time to time and I think this kind of behavior hurts the reputation of
your institution and may hamper future fundraising efforts.

So, that's the reason for my concern. Please see below the links to
just some of the sites asking for donations.

The DailyKos for example has US senators posting on it and receives
half a million hits a day.

If I thought these pleas for money were limited to fringe site with
not much traffic I might not care. But considering the reach of these
sites I had to get in touch.

Thank you for your time.

Steve

Here is a typical comment from the threads.....

"I just sent some money. Not much, but I'm amazed that John Hopkins
has gotten to the point where they are asking for upfront money on a
$50,000 life saving surgery.*******, I'm angry.

The notion that John Hopkins is demanding 50% down for life saving
surgery makes my ****ing blood boil. I wonder how much they charge for
the same surgery to a Health Insurance company? Usually hospitals
charge the uninsured 2-3x the rate charged insurance companies."

Ok, who is bev?

[Tucker]

All of this is going to stir up a hornets nest from out unregistered guests. Obviously they can't discuss the thread publicly at the island but the PM's will go into overload.

They'll hate us. They'll really hate us.

[franksolich]

All of this is going to stir up a hornets nest from out unregistered guests. Obviously they can't discuss the thread publicly at the island but the PM's will go into overload.

They'll hate us. They'll really hate us.

Yes, it's all very sad, isn't it?

The "good friends" of the late red round one forgot to commemorate him this year, and so it was up to decent and civilized people to make up for the primitives' omission.

If the primitives had bothered remembering the late red round one, then we wouldn't have to be.

As usual, it's the primitives' own fault.

[franksolich]

Ok, who is bev?

She was, or is, a prominent vote-fraud activist with impeccable credentials.  One can disagree with her--franksolich most certainly does--but one can't deny she was, or is, a frank, honest, straight-speaking person.

She was the employer of the late red round one during the campaign of 2004.

She had to fire the late red round one because he was collaborating with the other side.

You see, she had written a book, and the malicious cartoon character primitive, the "Kelvin Mace" primitive, had agreed to publish it.  Well, the malicious cartoon character tried to cheat her, and she wouldn't let him cheat her, so the malicious cartoon character had a big grudge against her.

The malicious cartoon character primitive was undercutting her any way possible, and this included "recruitment" of the late red round one to his side.

And then later, the prominent vote-fraud activist showed up on Skins's island, trying to raise funds to prove that Ohio had been "stolen" by George Bush.  She was only $10 away from proving that the Bostonian Billionaire had in fact won Ohio, and hence the presidency, when the malicious cartoon character primitive embarked on a mission of slander and libel and other lies about her, getting her kicked off of Skins's island.

And she was only $10 away.

Well, George Bush got away with Ohio, and became president. 

If the primitives want to blame anyone for the Bostonian Billionaire not having been president 2005-2009, the primitives need look only at one of their own, the malicious cartoon character primitive; he's the one to blame that the Bostonian Billionaire never sat in the White House.

She was only $10 away, but the malicious cartoon character primitive, because of his grudge against her, caused George Bush to win a second term in office.

The primitives get really carried away, on their personal vendettas versus the greater good.

[Duke Nukum]

Primitives getting carried away with their personal vendettas serve the greater good.

[franksolich]

Primitives getting carried away with their personal vendettas serve the greater good.

Well, that's most certainly true; the more disarray and dismay among the primitives, the more the real world goes merrily along.

But if you recall, sir, the malicious cartoon character primitive, the "Kelvin Mace" primitive, prides himself in his rationality--he's the high-school mathematics teacher down over there in North Carolina who owns a Desktop Publishing company he operates out of his house (usually comics-books), and is a rather, uh, enthusiastic "atheist."

He makes a big deal, a really big deal, about "rationality" versus "emotionalism," and wears his "rationality" on his sleeve.

(However, if one is curious as to what happens when one loses one's temper at a cop, and tries to hit the cop--and not one, but two of them--inquire of the malicious cartoon character primitive, who has the first-hand personal experience.)

Okay.

So the guy alleges himself to be rational, logical, cool-headed.

If this were so--and it's obviously not so--however, then during the prominent vote-fraud activist's campaign to raise money on Skins's island so as to get George Bush out of the White House in 2004, the malicious cartoon character primitive would've buried his personal grudge against her, and worked with her.

She was so close, but never made it, because of the emotionalism (his strident hysterical lies, slanders, libels of her) of the malicious cartoon character primitive.

Again, a good example of a primitive being the opposite of what the primitive alleges himself to be.

There is a happy ending, though; at the conclusion of the Scamdal the autumn of 2005, Scamdy.com (which no longer exists) donated $40 to the prominent vote-fraud activist's cause, in the name of the malicious cartoon character primitive (his real name, not his primitive screen-name).

[TheSarge]

Well, no one remembered the late red round one.

So "unsticky" this goes.....

That's because Skinner's tomb stoned all his friends that would have held a vigil for him.

Perhaps they lit a candle and lifted a toast to him at Big Jerry's.

[delilahmused]

The thing that galls me is evidence was out there to prove Andy was lying about a great many things regarding his care and, as they do with many things, they refused to look at the reality. Surgery, if it can be done...this is a cancer that many don't know they have until it spreads to the lymph nodes and/or other organs (and then the decline is rapid) is the same in all hospitals. It's the after care that usually determines how well (or if) one recovers. At the time Andy was scamming everyone for money Virginia Mason's protocols were SO successful that other hospitals INCLUDING JOHNS HOPKINS adopted them. Andy insisted on going all the way across the country to get, not just the same care, but away from the hospital who developed (and thus had a longer record of success) employing the best treatment. Andy was very good at exploiting their weaknesses. Not only that, but had his primary care doctor thought JH was the best place for care she could have referred him (it can even done online) and the state of WA, were he eligible for Medicaid would've paid for it.

Cindie

[Tucker]

That's because Skinner's tomb stoned all his friends that would have held a vigil for him.

Perhaps they lit a candle and lifted a toast to him at Big Jerry's.

This seems to be the newest and bestest hang out.

http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?www

[IassaFTots]

Easier reading over there.  But, not as many nutballs. 

[Ballygrl]

This seems to be the newest and bestest hang out.

http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?www

The people over there are so not as over the top as the ones left at DU, at least it seems possible to have a normal conversation at OET if you choose too.

[franksolich]

Easier reading over there.  But, not as many nutballs. 

Yeah, the elm-infested ulmic shores is the Country Club, compared with the primitives on Skins's island.

[franksolich]

This seems to be the newest and bestest hang out.

http://www.oldelmtree.com/index.php?www

You wouldn't happen to remember the name of the fat girl in Canada, who was 78% (according to their statistics) of the comments on the Mike Malloy board, where proponents of open and honest fund-raisers once in a while tangled with Fat Che.

"Sabrina" or something like that, the fat girl in Canada.  One wonders what ever happened to her.