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Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« on: March 20, 2008, 12:49:36 PM »
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I saw this on the news this AM, and I was wondering how long it would take to surface at the DUmp.


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Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home 
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A 10-year-old Lincoln girl dying of brain cancer has one wish -- for her father to be at her bedside.

It isn't likely to happen. Her father is in a federal prison in Yankton, S.D.

Vonda Yaeger is pleading with the warden for compassion to grant her daughter's wish.

"She wants her dad. She goes to her room crying because she wants her dad," Yaeger said.

Jason Yaeger was convicted of methamphetamine charges nearly five years ago and is scheduled to be released next year.

Read more: http://www.ketv.com/family/15643474/detail.html



Did anyone watch American Drug War: The Last White Hope?

www.americandrugwar.com

How long are we going to put up with this?



I know this guy was making meth... and that's a much more serious crime than just using drugs... but the fact is that if drugs were dealt with RESPONSIBLY by our government, meth wouldn't be as pervasive a problem as it is.

The "war on drugs" (which is really just a war on the poor and a way to feed the Prison Industrial Compex) is making things WORSE for our country, our children, and our health.



Stop the Drug War - Cops Against the Drug War
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CIA Jet Carrying Four Tons of Cocaine Also Made Trips to Gitmo
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/71783/
 

Okay, maybe I'm hard-hearted, but this guy was making meth. Why should he get out early? I'm sorry his little girl has cancer, but her dad committed a federal crime.

Of course, the DUmmies don't agree:

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KansDem  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-20-08 11:22 AM
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1. This is just so wrong...
 My son is 10 and the thought he could be wanting me with him while he dies while I'm in prison on some drug rap sickens me and breaks my heart...
 

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Blue_In_AK  (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 AM
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3. I did see American Drug War
 Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 11:31 AM by Blue_In_AK
and it should be required viewing for everybody. Even my 82-year-old mother-in-law, who's never done an illegal drug in her life, was blown away after watching it.

This is so sad for this little girl. What possible harm could come from letting her see her daddy one last time? This is just horrible. 

What's horrible is that he was making meth, which was probably going to be distributed to someone else's kid.

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dicksteele  (1000+ posts)       Thu Mar-20-08 12:02 PM
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22. Enjoy your stay at DU, you blatantly LYING FReepTroll. 
 You NEVER did any of that. If you had even ever MET
anyone who had, you'd know how silly your lies sound.

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redqueen  (1000+ posts)       Thu Mar-20-08 12:04 PM
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26. What's really sad about all these people so committed to missing the point...
 is that they seem to want to defend the prison industrial complex, and the racism inherent in this country's immoral "war on drugs".

Kind of hard for me to fathom that...

It's pretty obvious that my OP is about more than this one tragic situation.

Dude's a white guy. Nice try though.

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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-20-08 11:43 AM
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6. Aside from the dying part, this is no different from any other kid
 upset that his/her convicted parent is in prison. If the state imprisoning the man does not allow for furlough, then that's how it is, sick child or not. There are lots of convicts in prison who have kids on the outside facing trauma or death. A child of a prisoner could be facing risky surgery - does that prisoner get furloughed to visit in the hospital? If the appeal to emotion works for this methmaker, then it should work for all other incarcerated people. It is simply not practicable, and it invites unequal treatment.


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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-20-08 12:01 PM
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21. It's the same scenario.
 If you furlough this guy because his daughter is dying, then you have to furlough the guy whose child is having a transplant - that child may die on the table, and when that happens wouldn't you feel bad having denied his dead child the chance to see dad one last time? I don't see where you're coming from with the muddy waters thing - these are strikingly similar scenarios. Child at risk of death, incarcerated parent. It's a perfectly valid issue to raise.

My goal is to show that the logical fallacy of appeal to emotion is NO basis for decision-making in the criminal justice system.
 

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redqueen  (1000+ posts)       Thu Mar-20-08 12:03 PM
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23. She's not AT RISK she is DYING.
 FAIL.

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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts)      Thu Mar-20-08 01:07 PM
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60. agreed
 A huge can of worms gets opened up when this must be decided on a case-by-case basis. Why did prisoner A get furloughed to see his sick child but prisoner B didn't? Lawsuit. Why was prisoner C's child's surgery deemed less worthy of a visit from the incarcerated parent than prisoner D's? Lawsuit. Not to mention that you'd need to pay for a pretty much full-time furlough committee to make the decisions. Hopefully just one, because if it's more than one, you introduce MORE inconsistency, and breed MORE lawsuits over unequal treatment. It's a nasty mess.
 

Frank, you may have to put this one on your list of non-primitives. He's making sense.

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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2008, 01:17:09 PM »
Well, I dunno about this lanced boil primitive.

I've been greatly disappointed by the legendary herb primitive and the cali primitive, and I'm hesitant to rank any primitive as a non-primitive or a first-tier primitive--the premier ranks on Skins's island--because inevitably they fall down, to second-tier primitive or third-tier primitive or unterprimitiven or bottom-of-the-barrel primitive or drek primitive.

Ths primitives always disappoint.

I'll keep the eyeballs peeled on the lanced boil primitive, though; if the lanced boil primitive shows he has a life outside of Skins's island, that might be enough to nudge him into first-tier primitivehood.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2008, 01:19:36 PM »
I seriously think they should have given him a furlough.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2008, 01:23:09 PM »
Making meth isn't just bad because it creates meth.  Making meth is DANGEROUS.  If even a small meth lab blows, it can take out the surrounding structures.  If he was making it at ome, the chemicals in the very air were poisoning this girl.

Making meth is one of the most selfish things someone can do.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2008, 03:02:15 PM »
It's called CONSEQUENCES.

This moron made a choice to make meth.  That has consequences, for him AND his family.

He should have thought about it before he he made such a stupid decision.


Yes, I realize he didn't know his daughter was going to get cancer and die, or that he thought he wouldn't get caught or whatever, but those are the risks you take.     When my kids were little, they NEVER rode in the car without being in their carseats.  Yes, 99 times out of 100 it woud have been fine, but that ONE % chance of something going wrong wasn't worth the gamble to me.  The risk was a price I wasn't willing to pay.

People have to learn that actions have consequences, and act accordingly.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2008, 03:03:49 PM »
Quote from: Flame on March 20, 2008, 03:02:15 PM
It's called CONSEQUENCES.

This moron made a choice to make meth.  That has consequences, for him AND his family.

He should have thought about it before he he made such a stupid decision.


Yes, I realize he didn't know his daughter was going to get cancer and die, or that he thought he wouldn't get caught or whatever, but those are the risks you take.     When my kids were little, they NEVER rode in the car without being in their carseats.  Yes, 99 times out of 100 it woud have been fine, but that ONE % chance of something going wrong wasn't worth the gamble to me.  The risk was a price I wasn't willing to pay.

People have to learn that actions have consequences, and act accordingly.
See my post above. There is a good chance he GAVE her the cancer (the chemicals used for meth are carcinogens).
 
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 03:09:55 PM »
I'm with flame on this one. He made his choice years ago.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2008, 03:10:48 PM »
I don't see a problem giving him a guarded 24-Hour furlough to be with his daughter. Not for him, mind you, but for his daughter. Afterwards, send his sorryass back to jail.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2008, 03:34:22 PM »
^I'd be okay with them setting something up but with lots of stipulations. And yes, only for the girl. He can rot for all I care.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2008, 03:42:16 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 20, 2008, 01:19:36 PM
I seriously think they should have given him a furlough.

He just had one 3 weeks ago. The problem is he was only able to see his kids for all of like two hours.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2008, 03:48:15 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 20, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rebel on March 20, 2008, 01:19:36 PM
I seriously think they should have given him a furlough.

He just had one 3 weeks ago. The problem is he was only able to see his kids for all of like two hours.
Well, boo frickin hoo.  What do they want, for him to stay there until she dies?  What if that's weeks away?  Piss on him, don't make meth.

If the DUmmies are right, and there is no God, then when she dies, she'll just blank out.  No afterlife, no memory, no conciousness of any kind.  So once she's gone, she'll never know the difference.  No harm done, right?

But since he's making their beloved meth, he should get a free pass.  What if he was in prison for accidentally killing the wrong Iraqi during combat?  Think they would be frothing at the mouth to get him out of prison and to his daughter's bedside?
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 03:48:51 PM »
The DUmmies never fail to act like a bunch of middle school adolescents.  Where's all the blame?  On the "horrible" criminal justice system, with only one or two sane people pointing to the meth dealer.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2008, 03:58:59 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on March 20, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rebel on March 20, 2008, 01:19:36 PM
I seriously think they should have given him a furlough.

He just had one 3 weeks ago. The problem is he was only able to see his kids for all of like two hours.
Well if he's had a furlough, then my sympathies went down a lot.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2008, 04:35:59 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on March 20, 2008, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: Airwolf on March 20, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rebel on March 20, 2008, 01:19:36 PM
I seriously think they should have given him a furlough.

He just had one 3 weeks ago. The problem is he was only able to see his kids for all of like two hours.
Well if he's had a furlough, then my sympathies went down a lot.

Yeah, clearly I should have read the story.  :thatsright:
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2008, 04:48:05 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on March 20, 2008, 03:34:22 PM
^I'd be okay with them setting something up but with lots of stipulations. And yes, only for the girl. He can rot for all I care.

I agree with giving him a furlough.  He's had 3 visits with his daughter, but each one only lasts a couple of hours.  He's scheduled to go to a halfway house in August, then he'd be able to see her more, but they don't think she'll live long enough.  This is punishing the dying daughter. 
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2008, 05:28:19 PM »
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I don't see a problem giving him a guarded 24-Hour furlough to be with his daughter. Not for him, mind you, but for his daughter. Afterwards, send his sorryass back to jail.
So she wants her father at her besside when she dies?  Kinda hard to schedule that sort of thing with the prison.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2008, 06:48:10 PM »
If you are making meth I don't think you should be around your kids. Like has been said it's bad to breath and will explode.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2008, 04:50:56 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 27, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342253,00.html

That's good to hear.   

Have the DUmmies been talking about it yet? 

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Edit: Yep, they did.  Nothing outrageous....yet.

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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2008, 05:06:10 PM »
The DUmbasses won't be happy unless there's a full Presidential pardon NOW!!!!!11
That way once the inevitable happens he can console himself by making meth again with no worries of a violation.

My Mother died 2 months before my brother got home from his Federal Vacation program. Maybe she should have whined on the DUmp.   ::)
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2008, 06:20:45 PM »
Jayci Yaeger Dies After Seeing Imprisoned Father
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LINCOLN, Neb. -- A 10-year-old girl has died, just a day after her wish to see her father was granted.

Jayci Yaeger's imprisoned father, Jason, went to her bedside Wednesday -- a visit federal authorities allowed only after being deluged with letters and phone calls from across the nation.

I could care less about the dirtbag meth-head, but this is too sad.  :(
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2008, 07:03:11 PM »
My humble opinion, but I think a deal should have been worked out with his lawyer where he could spend the last week or two with his daughter in exchange for adding a month or two to his time behind bars. I don't know or care what the SOP is but I would jump at a chance like that in the same position.
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2008, 07:21:21 PM »
Some benefactor wants to pay for the security to let him visit fine.  I don't think that the taxpayers should be on the hook for this. 
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Re: Girl's Dying Wish Denied; Imprisoned Father Not Coming Home
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2008, 07:34:20 PM »
Y'all, this is a dead thread.  He was allowed to go home and was able to spend about an hour with his daughter.  She later died.
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