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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2010, 04:04:25 PM »
I have read that too. Will it happen before or after we get government funded newspapers and a ban on unapproved political speech?

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2010, 04:07:39 PM »
Really? Be interested to hear about that.

H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009
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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 04:16:54 PM »
H.R. 875: Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2010, 04:35:57 PM »
Going off the grid is dropping out.  You can't have a job, maybe you think you can, under the table..but that involves other people's compliance, going off the grid involves no one else.

Going off the grid is self-sufficiency. You no longer exist. There is no phone, no TV, no modern conveinance.   The land on which you live can not be tied to you.

It's not about MRE's and motor homes, it's off the grid.

Survivalists are one thing, off the grid, quite another.

I'd be interested in starting a discussion about this: What would it take to truly go "Off the Grid" ?

"Could I go totally off the grid" , yes absolutely. There's plenty of meat, open space, freshwater and suitable crops about in my little corner of the world to eat well and the climate is fairly bearable all year round. No harsh winter and 100F in summer isn't really all that bad.

It's not something that I'd ever choose to do, I kinda like the convenience of modern life.


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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2010, 01:44:23 PM »
To go off the grid here in the US would be a little difficult because of the areas to which one would have to travel to. There are a lot of national parks and one would have to hide out in there. Hunting would be a problem as it is illegal to discharge a firearm in a National Park. One would always have to be on the move as to not get caught illegally camping on the "King's Property". Fishing is illegal throughout the US unless one has a "license" After all, we mustn't harvest any of the "King's Animals" without permission!!  Then there's where the National Parks are. MOST are located where winters are harsh and if they aren't, they don't have a lot of game to harvest, limited fishing, or are somewhat populated with campers and the like. Regardless, even Down Under, one would eventually have to surface to resupply  for clothing, ammo, etc. unless one was able to make decent snares and traps and make their own clothes out of what they catch.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2010, 05:34:35 PM »
To go off the grid here in the US would be a little difficult because of the areas to which one would have to travel to. There are a lot of national parks and one would have to hide out in there. Hunting would be a problem as it is illegal to discharge a firearm in a National Park. One would always have to be on the move as to not get caught illegally camping on the "King's Property". Fishing is illegal throughout the US unless one has a "license" After all, we mustn't harvest any of the "King's Animals" without permission!!  Then there's where the National Parks are. MOST are located where winters are harsh and if they aren't, they don't have a lot of game to harvest, limited fishing, or are somewhat populated with campers and the like. Regardless, even Down Under, one would eventually have to surface to resupply  for clothing, ammo, etc. unless one was able to make decent snares and traps and make their own clothes out of what they catch.

I'd only really consider dropping completely from the grid if the grid was down, so to speak.

In that case there are concessions to be made with regard to clothing, which is only really *required* to prevent sunburn, and one can always spear fish, crocs, catch crabs and prawns with pots or a net and a buncha other ways of gathering meat crops.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2010, 11:43:54 PM »
I'd only really consider dropping completely from the grid if the grid was down, so to speak.

In that case there are concessions to be made with regard to clothing, which is only really *required* to prevent sunburn, and one can always spear fish, crocs, catch crabs and prawns with pots or a net and a buncha other ways of gathering meat crops.

You can have all the fun you care to by "spearing crocs".  :cheersmate: :popcorn:


Maybe down under clothing is only necessary for protection from the sun. Here in the US, we also have the cold to deal with. Let me assure you, 30°F and a little wind, you're GOING to be wishing you had clothes. Colder than that, like it gets in some areas, and it could be life threatening.
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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2010, 01:02:56 AM »
You can have all the fun you care to by "spearing crocs".  :cheersmate: :popcorn:


Maybe down under clothing is only necessary for protection from the sun. Here in the US, we also have the cold to deal with. Let me assure you, 30°F and a little wind, you're GOING to be wishing you had clothes. Colder than that, like it gets in some areas, and it could be life threatening.

In the northern parts of the country and on the coast temperatures might get down to the single digit Celsius range on a particularly unusual winter night. Day time and it's far more acceptable.

It gets below freezing in lot of places here in winter - but i live 1400 or so miles minimum north of those places.

There is the option for leather or fur clothing in winter - which while not exactly comfortable are good enough to keep a mild chill out.

One models their plan on what is available.

 

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2010, 09:37:06 AM »
In my opinion the easiest way to go off the grid in modern society would be to do so in plain sight.  I recall reading a book on the subject years ago in which the author lived on the streets for a few months.  Then again, my definition of being "off the grid" is merely being untraceable, not completely forgoing civilization.  Lose the cell phone, ID and credit cards, stable address, etc, etc.  There are thousands living such lives in densely populated urban areas right now. 

As for myself, I would be all but unable to go off the grid due to my job and family.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2010, 01:49:21 PM »
Seems to me the hardest part of really going off the grid is staying unknown to the majority of other people!


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The post-nuke situation doesn't look too bad to me for survival, though. You wouldn't need a great many survival skills.


1) Get a geiger counter and a bunch of 9-volt batteries, or whatever they run on. Essential, as you wouldn't want to survive in a radiation-free area just to cook yourself by entering one.

1) Drive where it's warm most of the year round so making fire/staying warm isn't an issue except for, possibly, scaring away wild or feral animals (and also see below). Of course you'd need to raid a gun store on the way to the south.

2) If you can't find a source of clean natural water at first, live on bottled. My assumptions are based on the fact that you are still alive, which means you haven't caught lethal rads. And wherever you set up also won't, as you're paying attention to your geiger counter. Never venture far from your new base camp without your geiger counter.

3) Live on canned goods and vitamin supplements, which will be in abundant supply, for the rest of your life. Find a pharmacy. Maybe grow some fresh veggies/fruit; find books on how to identify safe berries and, if you're feeling brave, mushrooms. If you don't know how to hunt (like me), learn. Go fishing.

4) Stay the hell away from other people and shoot anyone who comes near you. Live as a hermit. Other people will probably the most dangerous threat you face in the post-nuke world.

5) Hope like hell you never need surgery of any kind. At least, though, with all the empty pharmacies you'll never lack for antibiotics.

Hey, I didn't say it'd be a good life. Just life.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2010, 08:22:12 PM »
Seems to me the hardest part of really going off the grid is staying unknown to the majority of other people!


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The post-nuke situation doesn't look too bad to me for survival, though. You wouldn't need a great many survival skills.


1) Get a geiger counter and a bunch of 9-volt batteries, or whatever they run on. Essential, as you wouldn't want to survive in a radiation-free area just to cook yourself by entering one.

1) Drive where it's warm most of the year round so making fire/staying warm isn't an issue except for, possibly, scaring away wild or feral animals (and also see below). Of course you'd need to raid a gun store on the way to the south.

2) If you can't find a source of clean natural water at first, live on bottled. My assumptions are based on the fact that you are still alive, which means you haven't caught lethal rads. And wherever you set up also won't, as you're paying attention to your geiger counter. Never venture far from your new base camp without your geiger counter.

3) Live on canned goods and vitamin supplements, which will be in abundant supply, for the rest of your life. Find a pharmacy. Maybe grow some fresh veggies/fruit; find books on how to identify safe berries and, if you're feeling brave, mushrooms. If you don't know how to hunt (like me), learn. Go fishing.

4) Stay the hell away from other people and shoot anyone who comes near you. Live as a hermit. Other people will probably the most dangerous threat you face in the post-nuke world.

5) Hope like hell you never need surgery of any kind. At least, though, with all the empty pharmacies you'll never lack for antibiotics.

Hey, I didn't say it'd be a good life. Just life.

The last thing I worry about in my life time a nuke strike.  if it happens it happens and at my age I would just be a burden on what ever society is left.

Trying to survive in unnatural times is a way of life for the below 40 generation.

Who will not survive and who will can be debated.

1st to go-----------
    Any one with any kind of handicap, be it needing glasses to see , to diabetics and those on medication daily for heart or lungs. The very young that need infant formulae to the early 20 year olds that get impacted wisdom teeth that are infected.   Those who cannot ----Godot, medication has a shelf life of less then a year and Nytro pills only around 3-4 months.  Some pain medications will in time change chemically and become very dangerous.----

2nd. to go ----

Our professionals, Lawyers, Doctors in the field of specialization such as face lifts and the head shrinks or therapists for mental problems.  Most VETS that have never worked with farm animals and their technicians. Our bankers, sales men and anyone in the computer field or electronics, TV or radio. Those that specialise in the electric run medical devices in hospitals to bartenders. Mechanics that have no idea how to build a field plow.

College grads that majored in most subjects as well as the addicted, the lazy and the street thugs. Most people in the service industry and all our politicians and their trophy wives.

Who will do well to survive

1st the Hookers, they seem to be the number one survivalest of any life or time.
The youth that attended trade schools and are carpenters, stone masons, weavers sheep shearers, well diggers and EMT's.  The Professional Herbalists, boat builders,  midwives and surgeons.

Pot growers, brewers and bakers.

The potters, glass blowers and those that work with metal . Shoe makers, tailors and naturally a few Clergy that also work at a trade. Those that can tan hides and can make sails for boats and tents for shelter.

The monsters that will for a price do anything, the people with the where with all to buy and sell others as slaves, those who can round up the hungry and attack other people for their goods,.

And so it will begin again, this time not from the start of civilisation but the later times when mankind has left off at the middle ages.

It may not take but 8 generations before the people jump ahead to where we are now and the whole thing will repeat itself again.  Why not, as long as no one burns our library's as the library at Alexander was destroyed,  just imagine how fast we could have progressed had that not happend.

There are many who believe that as the earth is so very old that this may have taken place before, many times in fact as we cannot to this time duplicate some of the man made things we find today,.

Your Geiger counter will last only as long as you can find battery's to run it, best to just learn to live with radiation as we do now.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2010, 05:22:28 AM »
I am almost off the grid now. I have a big garden, chickens, rabbits and in my backyard deer, turkey and squirrels. I heat with wood. If I had a way to produce my own power as in solar or wind you cut the coards to my house and I would be fine.
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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2010, 03:54:48 PM »
Seems to me the hardest part of really going off the grid is staying unknown to the majority of other people!


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The post-nuke situation doesn't look too bad to me for survival, though. You wouldn't need a great many survival skills.


1) Get a geiger counter and a bunch of 9-volt batteries, or whatever they run on. Essential, as you wouldn't want to survive in a radiation-free area just to cook yourself by entering one.

1) Drive where it's warm most of the year round so making fire/staying warm isn't an issue except for, possibly, scaring away wild or feral animals (and also see below). Of course you'd need to raid a gun store on the way to the south.

2) If you can't find a source of clean natural water at first, live on bottled. My assumptions are based on the fact that you are still alive, which means you haven't caught lethal rads. And wherever you set up also won't, as you're paying attention to your geiger counter. Never venture far from your new base camp without your geiger counter.

3) Live on canned goods and vitamin supplements, which will be in abundant supply, for the rest of your life. Find a pharmacy. Maybe grow some fresh veggies/fruit; find books on how to identify safe berries and, if you're feeling brave, mushrooms. If you don't know how to hunt (like me), learn. Go fishing.

4) Stay the hell away from other people and shoot anyone who comes near you. Live as a hermit. Other people will probably the most dangerous threat you face in the post-nuke world.

5) Hope like hell you never need surgery of any kind. At least, though, with all the empty pharmacies you'll never lack for antibiotics.

Hey, I didn't say it'd be a good life. Just life.

Good luck finding a place that won't be filled with radiation.

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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2010, 04:49:07 PM »
Seems to me the hardest part of really going off the grid is staying unknown to the majority of other people!


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The post-nuke situation doesn't look too bad to me for survival, though. You wouldn't need a great many survival skills.


1) Get a geiger counter and a bunch of 9-volt batteries, or whatever they run on. Essential, as you wouldn't want to survive in a radiation-free area just to cook yourself by entering one.

1) Drive where it's warm most of the year round so making fire/staying warm isn't an issue except for, possibly, scaring away wild or feral animals (and also see below). Of course you'd need to raid a gun store on the way to the south.

2) If you can't find a source of clean natural water at first, live on bottled. My assumptions are based on the fact that you are still alive, which means you haven't caught lethal rads. And wherever you set up also won't, as you're paying attention to your geiger counter. Never venture far from your new base camp without your geiger counter.

3) Live on canned goods and vitamin supplements, which will be in abundant supply, for the rest of your life. Find a pharmacy. Maybe grow some fresh veggies/fruit; find books on how to identify safe berries and, if you're feeling brave, mushrooms. If you don't know how to hunt (like me), learn. Go fishing.

4) Stay the hell away from other people and shoot anyone who comes near you. Live as a hermit. Other people will probably the most dangerous threat you face in the post-nuke world.

5) Hope like hell you never need surgery of any kind. At least, though, with all the empty pharmacies you'll never lack for antibiotics.

Hey, I didn't say it'd be a good life. Just life.

Wow, that is full of naivete !! Raid a gun store?? You're assuming that one of those would STILL have guns & ammo. Bottled water?!?!?!? You can't be serious!! Most of that will be gone from the store shelves or will run out in short time. Same with the pharmacies.

Pretty much, if you're not ready when it happens, you won't ever be. Just hope that you are either at Ground Zero or far enough away to survive the fallout.
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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2010, 10:15:18 AM »
I doubt I could survive my wife's whining.
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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2010, 01:44:20 PM »
I doubt I could survive my wife's whining.
Kind of like that opening statement on Man, Woman, Wild........ "The Army has Field Manuals for Survival, but nothing about surviving with your wife" (or something like that)
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Re: Could you go Off the Grid?
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2010, 07:46:23 PM »
I doubt I could survive my wife's whining.

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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2010, 09:40:39 AM »
:hi5:

Best comment in the whole thread.

Tanker you may be surprised at the worth of a woman. 

They are the gatherers  and tenders of the gardens.  They are the ones that dig for roots and figured out how to make home made salve for numerous injuries and illnesses.

Can you Tanker knit, couchette, card and by hand spin everything from human body hair to cat hair into material .?

When gone hunting game, who do you thin catches fish and dryes them for the future.? Gathers wild grown berrys and herbs to dry for future use. 

To take a page out of history, when you are gone it is the woman that has to beat off the Indians.

Give me a break, it is only when woman whine and complain that anything gets done.

Some men here know how to farm, how to grind corn with a rock for meal, they have to teach the woman to do that as in the long run woman have a strength problem with splitting wood for heat and cooking.

Unfortunately survival forces people to revert back into sexest rolls.

Womans Libs will yell at me but one cannot survive if the hunter of game is a 8 month pregnant woman and her mate a strong strapping Male is at home weeding the garden.


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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2010, 11:02:09 AM »
Vesta, my wife will call me to let me know the plants on the back porch are withering and I need to water them...................when I get home from work. The woman will NOT sweat.     :thatsright:
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2010, 02:19:34 AM »
Vesta, my wife will call me to let me know the plants on the back porch are withering and I need to water them...................when I get home from work. The woman will NOT sweat.     :thatsright:

I know/ knew a BUNCH of women like that.......

Hell, I was moving snow within a month of a two level cervical neck fusion.......
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2010, 10:12:53 AM »
To take a page out of history, when you are gone it is the woman that has to beat off the Indians.

I don't know about you, but my ancestresses did not survive by giving out hand jobs to the Indians (Well, a couple of them were Indians, so I can't speak for their premarital activities).

You'd be surprised what I know how to do, but if my luck holds up we'll never have an opportunity to find out.
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