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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2010, 07:26:32 PM »
Because they are immature and cannot handle the consequences of such actions. Its retarded for parents to give in to pop-culture instead of being parents.

Agree.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2010, 07:36:31 PM »
I thank God my daughter is 34. If I had young teen agers, I would be in jail for doing the things I did raising my daughter.

Kids know they have the backing of courts.
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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2010, 08:33:17 PM »
Agree.

I am not sure what there was to disagree with.

"Peer Pressure" is a bogus excuse.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 09:15:50 PM »
Go ahead and sign your kids up for kiddie porn or whatever. I think parents should try their best to teach their kids morals and giving in to immorality is wrong.


This is a ridiculous response to my statement! My kids are 28 and almost 31 - they are adults!

And I did teach my kids morals.....and I have great kids.

My comment to you was....you are not a parent, and it's very easy to be quite righteous as to how you would raise a child and how that child would act throughout their entire childhood and adolescence.

The reality of raising a child and getting them through childhood and adolescence....is a great deal harder.

Those of us who have raised our children and who are now adults and raising their own....look at raising children with a much different perspective than those who have not yet had children or their children are very young.

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 09:24:02 PM »
I am not sure what there was to disagree with.

"Peer Pressure" is a bogus excuse.

It's not an "excuse" it is reality. What would you do if you did have a daughter and you found out she was having sex or worse yet, got pregnant?


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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2010, 09:28:17 PM »

This is a ridiculous response to my statement! My kids are 28 and almost 31 - they are adults!

And I did teach my kids morals.....and I have great kids.

My comment to you was....you are not a parent, and it's very easy to be quite righteous as to how you would raise a child and how that child would act throughout their entire childhood and adolescence.

The reality of raising a child and getting them through childhood and adolescence....is a great deal harder.

Those of us who have raised our children and who are now adults and raising their own....look at raising children with a much different perspective than those who have not yet had children or their children are very young.



You mean you didn't sign your kids up for kiddie porn?

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2010, 09:28:55 PM »


I took my daughter to the GYN right before she started college, to get BC pills. She was 18. I wanted to make sure that if she did something dumb, she at least wouldn't get pregnant.

She didn't.

She waited until she was 27. And married her husband a month before my grandson was born.

Did I think she was dumb for getting pregnant before she was married? Absolutely. But at least she waited to make sure that getting married was what she really wanted to do and that she was marrying her husband because she was in love with him and not because she was having a baby. Having an abortion was never even a consideration and because she knew she could easily support the child on her own, she wasn't getting married just to have someone support her and the baby.

My grandson is 3 and his little sister is 5 months old. My daughter and son in law are extremely happy, and hopefully they will be one of those couples that make it all work.  

Do I think I was a "bad" parent because she got pregnant at 27 without a husband? Heck no. She was an adult in charge of her own life.

Would I have thought I was a "bad" parent if she had gotten pregnant at 15 or 16...oh hell yes! Because at that time....I was the one responsible for her.
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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2010, 09:30:13 PM »
You mean you didn't sign your kids up for kiddie porn?


no, but I did find my Victoria's Secret catalog under my son's bed when he was about 11.... :uhsure:
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2010, 07:02:08 AM »

no, but I did find my Victoria's Secret catalog under my son's bed when he was about 11.... :uhsure:

This came from a link that was sent about Muslim attitudes on sex and has just about floored me.

 religious decree by Khomeini ordered that girl prisoners who are virgins must be raped before execution, to prevent them from entering heaven.  A Guard conducts the rape the night before execution.  The next day, a marriage certificate is issued by a mullah, who sends it to the girl's family, along with a box of chocolates as a wedding gift.

How does the new age thinking go, one must except diversity of others.  The cultures of others are to be respected and accepted.

One must not in any way show non acceptance of another culture or religion. To do so may open you to jail time as to show disrespect may be considered a hate speech or crime.

As we go Hell bent on divercity, respect etc. will we have to put up with nasty old men that are teaching in their temples this stuff to American born children of Muslim parents.?

TMK, this stuff bakes the brain, WTF.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2010, 07:57:15 AM »

no, but I did find my Victoria's Secret catalog under my son's bed when he was about 11.... :uhsure:

Same here.  I found VS and even some underwear ads torn out from magazines.  He was about 13 at the time and I didn't discover them until I took a garden rake to his room one spring. 

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2010, 08:06:57 AM »
Even the grownup boys like Vic's Secret catalogues! 

And I would like to moderate my comments from the first page.  They were harsh and broadbrushed.  I'm seeing through the glasses of my small town.
  
This isn't the case in all cases of course.  My stepdaughter was a good girl all through high school, made good grades, had a promising future.  At 19, she became pregnant.  As this was not in the plan,she was pressured to have an abortion.  I had no say, of course, there was nothing I could do, no comment to make at all.  So I prayed that life would be chosen.  It was.  

The girl was raised right, taught right from wrong and how to behave and to avoid harmful stuff.  The BC failed, is all.   You cannot be everywhere all the time, especially as they grow up/are grown up.  They will either run away, shut you out, sneak around, anything to not be caged.  I guess my point is, I can see clearly where the mothers on this board are coming from.  

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2010, 08:20:24 AM »
I am not sure what there was to disagree with.

"Peer Pressure" is a bogus excuse.

I agree fully.  I could never preach to my kids that fornication is immoral but then turn around and say "... but, if you're going to do it anyway, here let me help you do it safely."  I could never do that with any issue that is considered to be immoral.  What kind of message does that send?  So all this time you're been telling them that it was wrong and they should never do it, but since you can't stop them you'll actively participate in making sure them doing the wrong thing doesn't become worse.  Sorry, but that makes the parent just as guilty of acting immoral as the child.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2010, 08:25:57 AM »
Even the grownup boys like Vic's Secret catalogues! 

And I would like to moderate my comments from the first page.  They were harsh and broadbrushed.  I'm seeing through the glasses of my small town.
  
This isn't the case in all cases of course.  My stepdaughter was a good girl all through high school, made good grades, had a promising future.  At 19, she became pregnant.  As this was not in the plan,she was pressured to have an abortion.  I had no say, of course, there was nothing I could do, no comment to make at all.  So I prayed that life would be chosen.  It was.  

The girl was raised right, taught right from wrong and how to behave and to avoid harmful stuff.  The BC failed, is all.   You cannot be everywhere all the time, especially as they grow up/are grown up.  They will either run away, shut you out, sneak around, anything to not be caged.  I guess my point is, I can see clearly where the mothers on this board are coming from.  

Thank you Karin, for your comments.

I can remember a lifetime ago, saying....well my kid will never do that!...then I had kids.  :lmao:

I don't understand the issue with BC pills these days. When I was taking them...almost 40 years ago, as long as one didn't forget to take them...they were very effective. They must have been a lot stronger then, as I took them for 7 years with no problem, went off them and was pregnant 4 months later....because I left the "new" birth control in the drawer. (The drawer was protected...it didn't get pregnant.  ::) ) Even though I had been married for over a year but having a child was still not in the plan. Surprise!

My daughter was on the pill when she got pregnant. Several girls that she knows have also gotten pregnant while on the pill. I have told my son for years, that just because a girl tells you she is on the pill, don't assume that it will work.
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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2010, 12:00:23 PM »
I agree fully.  I could never preach to my kids that fornication is immoral but then turn around and say "... but, if you're going to do it anyway, here let me help you do it safely."

I'm not allowed an opinion. On anything, on runaway Prius cars, since I don't one, on Starbucks bouncies, since I don't own a Starbucks....

I have seen the light and now I will hire topless 15 and 16 year old girls to sell soft-serv ice cream, we'll call the chain, CREAMIES!! //joking

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2010, 12:46:48 PM »
I'm not allowed an opinion. On anything, on runaway Prius cars, since I don't one, on Starbucks bouncies, since I don't own a Starbucks....

I have seen the light and now I will hire topless 15 and 16 year old girls to sell soft-serv ice cream, we'll call the chain, CREAMIES!! //joking

How juvenile.  Seriously FGL, if you wouldn't have gone the "kiddie porn" route and been so absolute about it I wouldn't have even directed anything towards you personally.  How do you propose to keep a child from having sex?  If I have not instilled the morals I feel my child should have by the time they are even entertaining the idea of sex then I have failed as a parent.  Deb and I aren't saying that we would hand our child birth control and say "have at it".   Sometimes things don't go as planned, if after I have explained to my child for years the moral, medical and mental reasons for not having sex at a young age then they STILL want to go out and have it what am I suppose to do?  Close my eyes and pretend like it's not happening?  Yeah that is really responsible.  I am a realist, that doesn't mean I have no morals. 



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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2010, 01:42:00 PM »
I'm not allowed an opinion. On anything, on runaway Prius cars, since I don't one, on Starbucks bouncies, since I don't own a Starbucks....

I have seen the light and now I will hire topless 15 and 16 year old girls to sell soft-serv ice cream, we'll call the chain, CREAMIES!! //joking


How juvenile.  Seriously FGL, if you wouldn't have gone the "kiddie porn" route and been so absolute about it I wouldn't have even directed anything towards you personally.  How do you propose to keep a child from having sex?  If I have not instilled the morals I feel my child should have by the time they are even entertaining the idea of sex then I have failed as a parent.  Deb and I aren't saying that we would hand our child birth control and say "have at it".   Sometimes things don't go as planned, if after I have explained to my child for years the moral, medical and mental reasons for not having sex at a young age then they STILL want to go out and have it what am I suppose to do?  Close my eyes and pretend like it's not happening?  Yeah that is really responsible.  I am a realist, that doesn't mean I have no morals. 





BEG has pretty much answered you regarding children, but I would like to add that there is a huge difference between having an opinion on a car or Starbucks and sounding like a know-it-all righteous parent with perfect children when you don't have children!!

I had the sex talks with my kids when the time was appropriate. I have never bought condoms for my son, and yes I did buy birth control pills for my daughter when she was 18 years old, out of high school and 2 weeks away from leaving for college because I did not want her college education to be in total disarray because she ended up pregnant!!!

She got pregnant when she was 27 had a ABS degree and 6 weeks left of finishing up radiology tech school. She kept the baby, got married and SHE makes over $60,000 a year. And she and her husband had another baby last October.

If that makes me a bad parent in your opinion - then I guess I am.

Personally....I think I did ok.

Oh yeah....I also happen to like Starbucks Double Chocolatey-Chip Frappacinos.
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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2010, 04:16:29 PM »


BEG has pretty much answered you regarding children, but I would like to add that there is a huge difference between having an opinion on a car or Starbucks and sounding like a know-it-all righteous parent with perfect children when you don't have children!!

I had the sex talks with my kids when the time was appropriate. I have never bought condoms for my son, and yes I did buy birth control pills for my daughter when she was 18 years old, out of high school and 2 weeks away from leaving for college because I did not want her college education to be in total disarray because she ended up pregnant!!!

She got pregnant when she was 27 had a ABS degree and 6 weeks left of finishing up radiology tech school. She kept the baby, got married and SHE makes over $60,000 a year. And she and her husband had another baby last October.

If that makes me a bad parent in your opinion - then I guess I am.

Personally....I think I did ok.

Oh yeah....I also happen to like Starbucks Double Chocolatey-Chip Frappacinos.

Why do we put this on the girls all the time.?    When a female says no and is raped and not being on birth controll she will get PREGNATE some times, even 12 year old girls can do so.

Monsters have been known to rape NUNS, for crying out loud.  To place a female on the pill when she begins to menstruate is no big deal.   This is much like getting a vaccination to prevent disease, Bad things do happen to good girls.

Everyone points to the girl who may be sweet talked into a mess, or forced into one.

Raising two boys I at no time as their mother thought that they could ever  NOT control themselves in that area.   However to be realistic, my boy baby's are made much different from my girls.

You can talk all you want to about the extreme pressure place on the males in society by the woman who may in someway arouse them, old time men would get all excited if they saw a woman's ankle.    Only the Lord knows what goes through a males head just watching half naked woman at the mall today.

We are not Muslim, we do not insist our woman and girls hide behind vales and loose clothing.
Strange but there is rape of the woman that do so regardless of their clothing.

For men to excuse their lust--a natural reaction for the male, and to excuse it for any reason is  :bs:

Give me a break, I now know as a mother that had I faced reality and placed my girls on the pill their lives would have been far different then what it is today.

Putting your daughters on the pill does not mean they will go crazy and have sex, they will not run into the street looking for a good time.

For men sex is a release, like having a good bowel movement.  For females sex is a commitment.



   

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2010, 04:46:39 PM »
Give me a break, I now know as a mother that had I faced reality and placed my girls on the pill their lives would have been far different then what it is today.

Putting your daughters on the pill does not mean they will go crazy and have sex, they will not run into the street looking for a good time.


Geez......another candidate for "mother of the year".......

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2010, 04:51:36 PM »
Vesta, I don't know about you, but hormonal birth control messed with me BIG TIME, as an adult.  Couldn't imagine treating birthcontrol like a daily vitamin or whatever," just take it because, really, what could it hurt?"


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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2010, 05:52:05 PM »

For men sex is a release, like having a good bowel movement.  For females sex is a commitment.
   

As a mother of a boy and two girls your last sentence offends me. 

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2010, 06:10:24 PM »
Clean needles for kids!!

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2010, 09:00:48 PM »
I've had vestanumbers on ignore for a long, long time, so I guess I missed it when she transitioned from being a goofy boring moron to being an offensive boring moron. I wish people could refrain from quoting her.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2010, 11:29:30 PM »
I have been very open with my oldest about sex told him I would rather he wait but if he feels the need I would buy him condoms if he was too embarrased to do it. I also don't want to be a young grandmother
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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2010, 11:39:40 PM »
As a mother of a boy and two girls your last sentence offends me. 

As a woman who really enjoys sex, it offends me. Besides why would one not expect one's boy child to live up to the same standards as their daughter. Granted, I only had boys but that didn't excuse them from morality and responsibility. And I've always been very open with my boys from the they could understand. We even have a pretty raunchy sense of humor around here and have never avoided any topic either seriously or humorously.

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Re: So I Bought My 16 year Old Son some rubbers
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2010, 12:01:44 AM »
I have boys. My husband and I have always had open communication about anything and everything with them.  If they were old enough to ask, they were old enough to know.  I did not allow street slang for body parts.  They had to use the correct word or I wouldn't discuss sex with them.  If they didn't know the proper word, we looked it up together. Back in those days I kept many medical books.

Morals and values are not only taught, they are learned from watching.  In a perfect world there would only be sex with love but life isn't perfect.  You do what you can to help and protect your kids always hoping for the best.  I would have done the same things if I had a daughter.

Humor DOES help.

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